The Great ISFx War of Quasi-2016

[Yama]

[MENTION=23583]21lux[/MENTION] ISFP. There's just nothing about you that seems ISFJ.

Isfj

ISFx 9 core sp/sx

Correctly typed MBTI-wise but not entirely sure on tritype, but don't know you that well.

I could see ISFJ, or even possibly ISFP.

As accurately typed as anyone could be. You're so accurately typed that I could throw a dart at a board, and it would land exactly in the middle as a symbol of your type's accuracy.

And then there's Vince:

Stop with da tert intuition already xD

 

[Hawthorne]

I realize you're asking for MBTI and not socionics but people like the conflate the two anyway and I'm feeling intellectually lazy enough to do the same right now.

but anywhos, you really don't strike me as Se creative. I'm sure part of that has to do with your 9 being directly opposed to the sort of force of will that Se is associated with. And quadra wise, there's no way in hell you're gamma. Not based on what you show on this forum.

I've voting ISFJ. Enneagram is harder though, we should IM about it sometime.

 

[HongDou]

ISFJ who isn't as sugar-coated or effusive as the ISFJ people are picturing in their heads.

 

[Yama]

I see the majority is in agreement with my typing.

For the record I'm sticking with ISFJ, but there's one thing that's bothering me a lot. Every single time I encounter any Fe dom or aux talk about themselves (especially with regards to Fe), I'm just like. Nope. Can't relate. Not at all. I feel like I should have at least some sort of connection to other ISFJs especially, but I just don't.

So what is it? Am I in a loop? Is my Fe shitty? Is it actually really good and I just don't see it? What is happening. Why can't I relate to the people I'm supposed to relate to the most.

 

[thoughtlost]

I don't think that being any type necessarily means that you HAVE to relate to them. And maybe you do relate, just not on a level that we can see at the moment. idk. blah.

 

[Yama]

idk. blah.

No! I appreciate you answering.

I don't think that being any type necessarily means that you HAVE to relate to them. And maybe you do relate, just not on a level that we can see at the moment.

I know I don't have to relate--after all, billions of people and only 16 MBTI boxes--I'm not quite sure why I feel like I need to find a way to relate. Maybe it's because I get irritated and discouraged when descriptions, discussions, other Fe users all talk about Fe types or ISFJs or whatnot as a whole while I sit there in frustration and think "No! That's not how I am!" But like there's no point in trying to "correct" them because maybe they're not the ones who are wrong and maybe I'm the odd one out. Otherwise it wouldn't frustrate me all the time. Does any of this make like any sense whatsoever?

 

[thoughtlost]

I know I don't have to relate--after all, billions of people and only 16 MBTI boxes--I'm not quite sure why I feel like I need to find a way to relate. Maybe it's because I get irritated and discouraged when descriptions, discussions, other Fe users all talk about Fe types or ISFJs or whatnot as a whole while I sit there in frustration and think "No! That's not how I am!" But like there's no point in trying to "correct" them because maybe they're not the ones who are wrong and maybe I'm the odd one out. Otherwise it wouldn't frustrate me all the time. Does any of this make like any sense whatsoever?

Of course you're making sense, dude!

It's why I've stopped using other people as a gauge for how I would type in MBTI. I save that for the enneagram lol.

when I get frustrated with typology, I just throw a mini-dance party

also, what do you not relate to in other ISFJs?

 

[Yama]

also, what do you not relate to in other ISFJs?

Mostly anything that has to do with Fe, also stereotypes (but who really relates to their type's stereotypes anyway?).

I don't really relate to Fe either as a concept or in action. I don't relate to ISFJs being known as "the nurturers." I don't like that ISFJs are often called "the most extroverted introverts." I am not naturally attuned to the feelings of other people and don't really care about what they feel so much as just keeping the atmosphere harmonious (for my sake more than anyone else's). I don't like the Fe stereotype of blindly accepting social norms and groupthink (I mean that's just a stereotype but still, Fe is attributed to having "shared beliefs" and I still have my values regardless of whether anyone shares them or not--if no one else shares them I might not express them but I still have them. The funkymbtifiction girl once told me that if I could go to a movie theatre with my friends and they hated the movie, that if I still liked the movie, I couldn't be an Fe type and like what???). I'm not very expressive and think sharing feelings and shit is super awkward and the only reason I'm able to do it here is because I don't have to see any of you face-to-face. I don't really care about group dynamics. I don't care about patterns of behavior. I'm way more focused on myself than anyone else. I am not "warm" and stuff like that, I can't think of anything more awkward and terrible than having to express feelings to others whether it be sadness or gratitude, and especially nurturing and caretaking.

And then of course there's the countless stereotypes (housewives, soccer moms, republican/conservative, tradition-following doormats, nurturing parents and spouses, inability to be "deep," etc) that are easily thrown out the window simply for being stereotypes.

And yet I'm an ISFJ. I tend to test as ISTJ and ISFP a lot, because I'm so anti-stereotypical-Fe. And I'm just like whatever I guess I'm an ISFJ I'm sure there are people who are more comfortable with themselves than me so they fit the type more "nicely" but then every time I turn a corner it seems I encounter discussions and things about ISFJs or Fe in general and I'm like ooh that's what I am, so I read it, and don't relate at all, and get frustrated. Other ISFJs talking about what ISFJs are like disenhearten me the most because even though we're all complex and different, we still share a type, so we should at least have something in common, but they still just sound so different from me, at least from the way they're describing it.

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

But your avatar says entj.

 

[Yama]

But your avatar says entj.

I did that to get a reaction out of people I believe you're the 8th or 9th one to question it

But I kept the real deal in tiny font in my signature lest anyone forget

 

[magpie]

I picked ISFJ.

 

[Yama]

But who voted other and why

 

[thoughtlost]

You know, if you really cannot relate to ANYTHING AT ALL about ISFJ. Then it's not your type. I mean, the description of ISFJs being nurturers and doormats and stuff like that is already incorrect (because it's based off of a 1950's ideal of what a woman is... Fe does not equal being nurturing and sweet), but once you get passed nonsense of the type and you STILL cannot see yourself in ISFJ and you see yourself someplace else ...then be that other thing.

And don't go digging around that personalitypage.com crap. There is a LONG thing about ISFJs on this forum; when I find it I'll post and you can tell me if you relate or not.

Don't put yourself in a box if it will just make you more confused.

 

[Yama]

I think we need some 2015 Fe and ISFJ descriptions. Or wait, 2016. Because it's Quasi-2016 right now.

Honestly I can see myself as an ISFJ, it's just when I start actually looking at other ISFJs and descriptions that I start stumbling.

I'm OCPD, forcing myself to fit into a box is what I do

 

[á´…eparted]

You're definitely ISFJ, for the core fact that I have never seen any sign of Fi in you before.

Don't worry about not feeing like other ISFJ's, it's a moot point. I mean, I am an ENFJ and I seldom relate to how they are described.

 

[thoughtlost]

I think we need some 2015 Fe and ISFJ descriptions. Or wait, 2016. Because it's Quasi-2016 right now.

Honestly I can see myself as an ISFJ, it's just when I start actually looking at other ISFJs and descriptions that I start stumbling.

I'm OCPD, forcing myself to fit into a box is what I do

Oh ok. Well no worries!! Boxes are fun to play in.

And I agree; we need better descriptions of Fe so people don't feel like they have to run away from it when it's actually what they are highly likely to use.

This is really long, so take your time reading it. Let me know if it's better for you.

http://www.typologycentral.com/foru...gnitive-function-analysis-simulatedworld.html

 

[Yama]

[MENTION=18445]thoughtlost[/MENTION] I've seen longer! I'm prepared for anything. If I have any comments on anything from that description I'll write them here.

Really like the description of Pi/Si dominance. And for once a description of Fe that doesn't suck and isn't filled with yucky stereotypes! Yay. Like, I didn't resonant with it super strongly, but there was nothing in it that I can complain about, so that means it's a success. It's probably the best description I've read in that I really can't complain about any of it.

Actually, this whole situation's kind of reminded me about a few months ago when I was being super angsty about ISFJ descriptions, I wrote this masterpiece (it's called the "Most Accurate ISFJ Profile Known to Mankind"):

1. ISFJs are big dum dums. If you make an ISFJ take a test called "how much of a dum dum are you?", they will get the result "big dum dum," which is the most dum dum that a dum dum can be.
2. It is impossible for an ISFJ to not be annoying. All ISFJs as a rule of thumb can irritate all peoples with their mere presence. If the ISFJ does not remove itself from the presence of others at least once per hour, they risk driving others to murder.
3. The ISFJ can be easily influenced to join a cult and die for your sins. Awesome, right? Now you don't have to worry about who to recruit for Jonestown: Part II anymore!
4. ISFJs do not have personal needs or feelings, meaning that they have more time to focus on YOU!
5. All ISFJs are whiny, overly dependent bitches. If you are unsure whether you are an ISFJ or not, ask yourself this question: Have you ever been able to have a thought, feeling, or perform an action independently of another human being? If your answer is yes, then you are not an ISFJ.
6. ISFJs are the ideal housewives. In fact, they are good at nothing except housecleaning, cooking, and childcare. Yay! Now you don't have to worry about it!
7. If you tell an ISFJ that something (such as one of your political ideologies) is good, they will respond with an overwhelmingly enthusiastic, "OK!" Alternatively, if you tell the ISFJ that a belief you do not agree with is wrong and bad, they will respond with an equally enthusiastic "OK!" The ISFJ is the perfect blank slate for you to raise and imprint your beliefs on. Now you, too, can have your own minion army! Brainwash an ISFJ today!
8. Every single ISFJ is, by default, a conservative republican. Unless you brainwash them otherwise, they will always vote for the Rick Santorums and Mitt Romneys of the world.
9. All ISFJs are married to ESTJs. Unfortunately, you will not be able to marry an ISFJ and turn them into your ideal housewife unless you are an ESTJ. Alternatively, if you are not an ESTJ and choose to marry your new ISFJ slave, the act of marriage transforms you into an ESTJ, so never fear. You can have your cake and eat it too!
10. ISFJs are commonly known as passive-aggressive pieces of shit. Actual quote used by all ISFJs at least once per hour: "Why didn't you do the dishes, Timothy? Oh, you're busy? Well, I guess I'll just do it, just like I do everything around here because nobody ever helps me..."
11. Every single ISFJ in the history of mankind has had a victim complex. Did an ISFJ just murder your son? How dare you! Now look at what you've done, now the ISFJ is crying! Can't you see this is all YOUR fault and how dare you be so mean to her when she was just trying to help?!
12. All ISFJs are part of the council of volunteering clubs at school and, upon graduation, only spend time outside of the home if they are volunteering or going to the grocery store to buy a steak for their ESTJ husbands.
13. If you look to your left, you will see it... the ISFJ in its natural habitat. That is to say, in your bedroom, making your bed and picking your clothes up off the floor because apparently you can't seem to do it so the ISFJ must do it for you.
14. The ISFJ is always the co-bitch of her gossip circle. She is the sidekick of ESFJs and ENFJs. The ISFJ is secretly a bitch, but she's a subtle bitch which makes her more likable to the general public.
15. ISFJs do not have any imagination or creativity, so you do not need to feel threatened by their presence, making them the best person to talk to about your Great Ideas without having to worry about them stealing your intellectual property. They may not understand what you are saying, but they will nod and agree with you!
16. You do not have to worry about losing your ISFJ or the ISFJ running away from home. They are very tame and gentle creatures. If you forget to lock the door they will probably just stay where they are, as long as you do not forget to feed or water them. If you can't find your ISFJ, double-check the kitchen.
17. ISFJs don't do logic, so make sure to talk to them with small, simple words that they will understand, otherwise you may scare them.
18. If you are being murdered to death, why call 911? Just call up your resident ISFJ; they will take the bullet for you, no questions asked, and free of charge!
19. You must be very quiet around the ISFJ, so as to not spoop them. Loud noises and confrontations spoop them, and they will run and find a place to hide. But they will not go very far. If you bring a yummy treat, the ISFJ may forgive you. And then you can abuse them again and again, and all it will cost you is a couple yummy treats to entice them with!
20. ISFJs do not have friends, they only have family and non-blooded family. Family is the only thing in the world that is important to the ISFJ. If you throw your ISFJ sister down the stairs, she will still love you because you are her sibling and you know what's best for her!
21. ISFJs know how to cook elaborate meals from birth. They come out of the womb with bread and mayonnaise and assemble their mothers (also ISFJs) a sandwich as a thank you for giving them life. By the age of 12, the ISFJ is already the most skilled of food artists, but their recognition goes unnoticed because ISFJs are 3 humble 5 you.
22. ISFJs are doormats to be trampled on at will--and since they don't do anything about it, that means they like it! We should all be encouraged to stumble on our local ISFJ's feelings to our heart's content!
23. ISFJs are violently opposed to all changes, ever. The ISFJ is born, lives, and dies in the hospital room they are born in. They go to school, build their homes, and marry their ESTJ husbands all from the same room they are born in. Their children, if born ISFJ, inherit this space from them because all ISFJs are traditional.

...Yeah. I was even more frustrated with the majority of descriptions back then.

Edit: On second thought my sarcastic ISFJ profile might be interpreted as offensive even though I find it humorous. If anyone thinks it's offensive tell me and I'll take it out.

 

[thoughtlost]

[MENTION=23583]21lux[/MENTION] , your description doesn't bother me at all- no worries.

It's only these descriptions that allow me to feel comfortable calling myself an Fe user. Otherwise, I still would be in limbo about my type. At least I have narrowed it to four feeling types instead of all 8!!

Soon... people will understand the Fe does not equal motherhood, sweetness, and smiles.

...soon....

 

[Yama]

Alright who are the two of you who voted other this is unacceptable unless you explain

 

[Chrysanthe]

Alright who are the two of you who voted other this is unacceptable unless you explain

I almost wanted to torture you further by choosing other, but I just couldn't get myself to.. .

you is isfj