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really odd INFJ or really emotional INTJ?

chubber

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Hah, sorry. Even though I'm pretty sure I'm an INFJ still, I was only asking of the possiblity of INTJ because of the chance that the definition of the typical INTJ has become so genderized towards males that I could still be one while caring about causes and generally being mostly emotional. I've never met a female INTJ.

Confirmation bias is a powerful thing, but I also know the basis of my identity. I absolutely am not an extrovert, and Ni is my most comfortable mode of expression. Everything else is up in the air.

The thing is, the I means Introverted attitude of the iNtuition vs ENxP would be Extraverted iNtuition. Compare that to INFP which is Introverted Feeling function. So keep in mind that those letters mean something else. There for Extraverted direction/attitude of function isn't the same as being Extroverted.

As a type we are only the first two functions (that makes up those letters). The other functions take on a different meaning and plays a different role.

For instance, INTJ is Ni Te, the other two functions, when the INTJ is depressed state could appear ESFP like.

Lots to discover.
 

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I know you've already mentioned that you strongly feel you are not an ENFP and only use Ne if you force yourself to, but to be quite honest, there are many flags that come up in your descriptions that read as "ENFP" to me. I want to keep this reply short, but a few of your comments that I personally resonate with 100%, are also some of the things other people have brought up as well, that may indicate ENFP as a possibility. (I'm just going to list them below with a brief take on it to make it visually easier to read)

-You feel like an introvert through and through
As already mentioned before, ENFPs are known to be the most introverted of the extroverts. This is because of the Ne/Fi combination. Ne isn't something you turn on or off, at least that's how I feel, since it's about making external connections and making sense of your environment. Unless you remained in some plain white walled room, how can one NOT make connections and see things in a larger framework all the time?? Secondly, using Fi as the aux function, ENFPs require that down time to pull away from it all and analyze their experiences to see how it all fits within their own framework of feelings and interests. Ne can be a very taxing exercise on the mind so when it's your primary mode of interacting with the world, you're going to need time to process things.

-You say you feel like some social chameleon
ENFPS are sometimes referred to being this way because we can read people fairly easily and wish to communicate with others in a way that is natural and fluid to them. To do so, we'll often shape how we react, respond, and carry ourselves in a conversation to adapt to how others are. I can't say that I do this intentionally, and feels more a subconscious attempt on my end. I've only been made aware of this fact by others when they say I tend to act differently depending on who I'm talking to. This isn't necessarily an Fe thing either from my perspective (though I suppose it could be), but just a means to better communicate with people, which ENFPs get a total thrill from :)

-You like the concept of people, but not necessarily invested in being that "people person"
From my experience, I often feel quite selfish if I'm perfectly honest. I do like people and communicating with them no doubt, but if I'm really honest with myself, I'd say it's more of a "tool" to expand on my knowledge of the world by gaining further perspective and incite into how others think and bringing that all in to add to my understanding. Basically, it's socializing with an Ne objective at hand. I'd assume ENFJs being Fe dominant, or perhaps INFJs are more people-oriented with that Fe for the relationship alone. ENFPs are people oriented, but I find I tend to just do my own thing, and people tend to come to me. (I realize this makes me sound like a complete ego-maniac, but I assure you I'm not) Also, if you are stressed or in a negative mood, you can retract and become much more introverted. It's happened to me before, and I felt like a 100% introvert at the time, but I only now realize it was because I wasn't my typical, positive self at the time, and pulled inwards.

-You have these seemingly deep seeded goals for humanity and desire for equality and fairness
This to me, seems strongly Fi, and as an aux function for ENFPs, we can pretty hard-headed and willful when it comes to protecting those internal morals and interests for right and wrong. Everyone wants to see other people succeed and do well in life, it's a natural compassion us humans all share, but wanting to take it to a point where it seems like you're ready to go on a crusade for such causes, and lead the change, sounds very ENFP or INFP for that matter, to me.

Oh, and another ENFP tendency, turning a "short" reply into some massive wall of text like I have just done since we tend to get super wrapped up in our interests and will focus all our attention on it :doh:

But just to be clear, this is all taken from my perspective as an ENFP. You may in fact be an INFJ, but those are some of the key areas, among others I found, that I wanted to bring up that raised those "ENFP" flags for me.
 

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This is great, I can identify with most everything you've said here. :happy2: The withdrawn humanitarian, the one dispassionately brooding over there. To return to the domain of INFJ vs INTJ, I've omitted discussion of any other type here. Your description of Ni alone has convinced me that this is your leading function.

Not only for the reason of similarity with me—a decided INFJ—(though perhaps largely for this reason) I'd have to say INFJ. There's that image of the laid back, open, sarcastic, social INFJ that often dominates the entire profile of the type. But there are also those like you who come off more like INTJs. I have two possible causes for this in my mind.

The first is cool I suppose. It's the Socionics concept of subtypes. You seem to better embody Ni than the more socially animate INFJ archetype that I've described above. You would fall under the Ni-subtype, as opposed to the Fe-subtype. Speculation tells me that this subtype is less averse to Te than the other, and can identify more easily as simply an Ni dominant rather than differentiating between the two types in this category. This possibility is meh, though, because it doesn't account for your occasional outright pursuit of using Te.

The other possibility is more interesting. Maybe it's just me, but the I've never heard of an INTJ producing anything like:

I'm 27, married, and kind of a bleeding romantic. I'm also a prototypical social justice warrior type, and I've been going to school for social work, but I just recently changed my major to counseling psychology because I couldn't stand all the government interference in the social work field. I love sociology, politics, anthropology, and all the other -ologies I can't think of right now. I enjoy volunteer work and getting people to smile by cooking them food and random compliments and remembering things they like and need so I can surprise them later. I am a democratic socialist and just the concepts of greed and working for a profit (not the "trying to live" profit, the profit for profit's sake kind) abhor me. I think we should, as a community, sacrifice everything we can to share, get along, and make sure everyone has the basics to thrive in life. I also enjoy gardening, but I get really upset that I have to kill caterpillars in order to have my plants survive.

So I think you're an INFJ, but an sp/so instinctual variant. This would explain the minor inconsistencies with the rest of INFJ-kind that you exhibit. Have you considered this (or read about it at all, in Enneagram typology)?
 

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The thing is, the I means Introverted attitude of the iNtuition vs ENxP would be Extraverted iNtuition. Compare that to INFP which is Introverted Feeling function. So keep in mind that those letters mean something else. There for Extraverted direction/attitude of function isn't the same as being Extroverted.

As a type we are only the first two functions (that makes up those letters). The other functions take on a different meaning and plays a different role.

For instance, INTJ is Ni Te, the other two functions, when the INTJ is depressed state could appear ESFP like.

Lots to discover.

Mhmmm, I know that. But your dominate function does indicate your typical mode of expression - whether it's inside out or outside in, for lack of a better metaphor. Since Ni is a perceiving function, it's largely internal and very hard to spot as a dominate in a personality unless you know of the telltale signs - the stare, for instance. Some underdeveloped INXJs I have noticed tend to be easier to spot due to the tendency to exhibit black and white thinking to the extreme (not in a Fi moralistic way, but in a "I've determined the probability of something being so, so it is" way, blocking out other perspectives they might have missed), but more developed ones - especially INFJs with good Fe - temper this. This reflects my own personal experience. I don't think my Fe is the greatest or anything, but I used to turn people off because I'd see the likelihood of something, tell them, be right later, and it would piss. people. off. I had crap Fe. I think being alone as much as I was as a child - and I cannot stress enough exactly how alone I was until I was about 17 - led to developing too much Fi, even when it isn't healthy for me (I feel better using Fe, even if sometimes it's so hard for me to do, because I don't know the rules of sociability; in contrast Fi is my go to to feel better because it's easy but it makes me feel like shit in the end. Does that make sense?). The reason for this thread though, was entertaining the possibility that I could have been an INTJ all this time, but overgenderization of typology led to being thrown INFJ. Let me reiterate that I don't know any female INTJs, and I certainly don't think INTJs are immune to being obsessed with causes, and those causes could be helping the world become a better place. (I have a very overreaching vision like that...)

For further clarification purposes, let me tell you how I understand and experience Ni vs. Ne. I feel like Ne has an idea and then bounces it off the world and other ideas and frameworks, like a gas molecule in a container after it's been heated. It's pinging and hitting everything, to continue developing this idea and expanding. Ni, however, is like a gaping maw. It intensely eats everything that's related to an idea or issue, ignoring everything that's not, and then spitting out one well-formed conclusion. Another way of looking at it is as a probability machine. It sees variables and sees which is more likely, while Ne is constantly expanding the amount of variables present. Hopefully I expressed this train of thought well enough. As is in this (sadly, too brief) description of these two functions, I experience life as a Ni dom, and I always have.

I suffer from depression and extreme social anxiety. Seeing if when I'm under stress I tend to act like an ESFP is something I'm going to have to take some time to consider. I have two best friends - one is an ENFP and one is an ESFP, so I know these two types pretty up and down.


I know you've already mentioned that you strongly feel you are not an ENFP and only use Ne if you force yourself to, but to be quite honest, there are many flags that come up in your descriptions that read as "ENFP" to me. I want to keep this reply short, but a few of your comments that I personally resonate with 100%, are also some of the things other people have brought up as well, that may indicate ENFP as a possibility. (I'm just going to list them below with a brief take on it to make it visually easier to read)

-You feel like an introvert through and through
As already mentioned before, ENFPs are known to be the most introverted of the extroverts. This is because of the Ne/Fi combination. Ne isn't something you turn on or off, at least that's how I feel, since it's about making external connections and making sense of your environment. Unless you remained in some plain white walled room, how can one NOT make connections and see things in a larger framework all the time?? Secondly, using Fi as the aux function, ENFPs require that down time to pull away from it all and analyze their experiences to see how it all fits within their own framework of feelings and interests. Ne can be a very taxing exercise on the mind so when it's your primary mode of interacting with the world, you're going to need time to process things.

-You say you feel like some social chameleon
ENFPS are sometimes referred to being this way because we can read people fairly easily and wish to communicate with others in a way that is natural and fluid to them. To do so, we'll often shape how we react, respond, and carry ourselves in a conversation to adapt to how others are. I can't say that I do this intentionally, and feels more a subconscious attempt on my end. I've only been made aware of this fact by others when they say I tend to act differently depending on who I'm talking to. This isn't necessarily an Fe thing either from my perspective (though I suppose it could be), but just a means to better communicate with people, which ENFPs get a total thrill from :)

-You like the concept of people, but not necessarily invested in being that "people person"
From my experience, I often feel quite selfish if I'm perfectly honest. I do like people and communicating with them no doubt, but if I'm really honest with myself, I'd say it's more of a "tool" to expand on my knowledge of the world by gaining further perspective and incite into how others think and bringing that all in to add to my understanding. Basically, it's socializing with an Ne objective at hand. I'd assume ENFJs being Fe dominant, or perhaps INFJs are more people-oriented with that Fe for the relationship alone. ENFPs are people oriented, but I find I tend to just do my own thing, and people tend to come to me. (I realize this makes me sound like a complete ego-maniac, but I assure you I'm not) Also, if you are stressed or in a negative mood, you can retract and become much more introverted. It's happened to me before, and I felt like a 100% introvert at the time, but I only now realize it was because I wasn't my typical, positive self at the time, and pulled inwards.

-You have these seemingly deep seeded goals for humanity and desire for equality and fairness
This to me, seems strongly Fi, and as an aux function for ENFPs, we can pretty hard-headed and willful when it comes to protecting those internal morals and interests for right and wrong. Everyone wants to see other people succeed and do well in life, it's a natural compassion us humans all share, but wanting to take it to a point where it seems like you're ready to go on a crusade for such causes, and lead the change, sounds very ENFP or INFP for that matter, to me.

Oh, and another ENFP tendency, turning a "short" reply into some massive wall of text like I have just done since we tend to get super wrapped up in our interests and will focus all our attention on it :doh:

But just to be clear, this is all taken from my perspective as an ENFP. You may in fact be an INFJ, but those are some of the key areas, among others I found, that I wanted to bring up that raised those "ENFP" flags for me.

Thank you for taking such time to write such a considerate post. I really appreciate it, and it's nice to meet you.

Let me start off by saying that I'm terrible at describing my own personality. I can read others and sum them up in a second, even without getting to know them, and sit there and define who they are with a pretty large amount of accuracy, but when it comes to myself I sound like a bumbling idiot.

I see what you're saying about using other people for ideas and understanding, and I just don't do that. I can't really relate to that at all, but it DOES sound a crapton like my husband though and it made me giggle. I don't think you sound selfish or ego-centric at all though! I have these flashes of just knowing things; that's usually the vehicle through which I understand the world. Sometimes it manifests as a logical, linear progression of thought and other times I just know it and don't understand until later what it means.

The best example of this is when I have to write a paper. Standard brainstorming or outlining practices like they teach you in Composition classes actually always lower my grade - the more I spend dwelling on an idea or asking others about it, the crappier it gets. On essays where outlining/brainstorming practices were required, I'd go down a whole letter grade than normal. My best writing - and writing is my best talent academically wise - comes from just sitting down at Word and writing, and not thinking about a thing. It all comes from nowhere, and then manifests itself into an A after some editing.




I'm not sure what the confusion is, you sound like a prototypical INFJ to me. :) I will say that INFJ's are closer to INTJ's than a lot of people think.

Thank you.

I hear "come back to me" on a nearly daily basis from my wife. It can be pretty difficult to stay focused when I'm talking to people at work. I force myself to stay in the present and pay attention, but even then it can be very difficult to keep from drifting away.

Based on what you told me, I see no reason to dispute that you're a Ni dom. It's funny that you started the thread to ascertain whether you use auxiliary Te or Fe yet ended up having to deal with people questioning your dominant. I wouldn't take it personally, though. There are plenty of mistypes who show up claiming to use Ni and obviously don't which causes many members of the forum to look on any new INJ arrival with suspicion, but your previous comments seem to indicate Ni more than Si. Not to say Si users aren't prone to let their imaginations wander or that they can't experience their own "visions" (I always assumed everyone did this to varying degrees), although the key word here may be "let.' Ni dominant types seem to just do this--there doesn't seem to be much letting, since it seems to be the default state.

I'm not sure if Fe>Te in your case, but I might have an educated opinion after you've posted more.


Thank you as well. I understand why people are skeptical of people claiming to be Ni doms, as they are quite rare and people do want to be special snowflakes. I don't exactly like being unlike most people I know - I feel like I can't identify with anyone, whilst simultaneously understanding everyone. It's really, really isolating.

I definitely believe everyone can use all the functions to varying degrees - just that it's not healthy or easy/comfortable.


Here's what I'm wondering though. Given the fact that INXJ's are known to be hard to type due to the "invisible" nature of Ni and the rarity of them, what have I said that sounds NOT INXJ? I've heard a lot about things that make me seem like another type, but not the other way around. I also feel like some people have ignored the fact that I've been tested - in real life and internet wise - as INFJ for years, with no deviation. My Big Five results were also typical to what INFJs usually get, too.
 

melpomene

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This is great, I can identify with most everything you've said here. :happy2: The withdrawn humanitarian, the one dispassionately brooding over there. To return to the domain of INFJ vs INTJ, I've omitted discussion of any other type here. Your description of Ni alone has convinced me that this is your leading function.

Not only for the reason of similarity with me—a decided INFJ—(though perhaps largely for this reason) I'd have to say INFJ. There's that image of the laid back, open, sarcastic, social INFJ that often dominates the entire profile of the type. But there are also those like you who come off more like INTJs. I have two possible causes for this in my mind.

The first is cool I suppose. It's the Socionics concept of subtypes. You seem to better embody Ni than the more socially animate INFJ archetype that I've described above. You would fall under the Ni-subtype, as opposed to the Fe-subtype. Speculation tells me that this subtype is less averse to Te than the other, and can identify more easily as simply an Ni dominant rather than differentiating between the two types in this category. This possibility is meh, though, because it doesn't account for your occasional outright pursuit of using Te.

The other possibility is more interesting. Maybe it's just me, but the I've never heard of an INTJ producing anything like:



So I think you're an INFJ, but an sp/so instinctual variant. This would explain the minor inconsistencies with the rest of INFJ-kind that you exhibit. Have you considered this (or read about it at all, in Enneagram typology)?

I tested my enneagram a long time ago, using two websites - one was the ennegram institute or something like that, and it just gave me one result - 2w1 - and no other results. I thought it sounded kinda close to me, but not on spot. Then I found another test - I can't remember the site! - that showed my five most likely enneagram types and wings, in a bar graph, and my instinctual varient. It gave me 6w5, with that trumping everything else (although, 2w1 was second!) I think my instinctual varient was social, but can't remember the next one after that. Do you know of any good, reputable (well, as much as the internet can be) sites for testing?

Laid back, open, sarcastic and social actually sounds a lot like me though. God, I'm really brooding and killjoy too though. I get randomly goofy, bubbly, and hyper for a bit - when people are looking. Then when they're not, I retreat back into my own head and hope no one notices that I'm staring through them. My ENFP best friend calls herself the Idealist and me the Realist, and I'm like "Bitch have you ever heard me talk? I'm like fluffy unicorn socialist rainbows".
 

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The only thorough test I can remember that gave instinctual variants came from Eclectic Energies (it's "test 2"), and that one was like 50 questions on a "choose between these two terms" basis. I'm thinking it sounds like the second test you described (plus the fact that I literally just now searched "enneagram test" and it was the first result) but yeah, that's how I learned about variants.

I don't know, I tend to take a test just to get an idea, then read about all the types in whatever system it is and ponder it for way too long before reaching a conclusion about myself, so you could probably use a better source than me for tests.

Anyway, so/sp could also work for you, like you said. Basically I'm getting an sx-blind spot vibe that I wish I got more of from other INFJs. :)


Edit: Oh yeah, and welcome! :hi:
 

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The only thorough test I can remember that gave instinctual variants came from Eclectic Energies (it's "test 2"), and that one was like 50 questions on a "choose between these two terms" basis. I'm thinking it sounds like the second test you described (plus the fact that I literally just now searched "enneagram test" and it was the first result) but yeah, that's how I learned about variants.

I don't know, I tend to take a test just to get an idea, then read about all the types in whatever system it is and ponder it for way too long before reaching a conclusion about myself, so you could probably use a better source than me for tests.

Anyway, so/sp could also work for you, like you said. Basically I'm getting an sx-blind spot vibe that I wish I got more of from other INFJs. :)


Edit: Oh yeah, and welcome! :hi:


Thank you! I just took it real quick and got 6w5 with a social varient. Basically exactly as I remembered.

Haha, I tend to do the same thing, I read way too much about all aspects of the test results, question endlessly, and then finally stop and accept something. I feel bad sometimes about the immense amount of time I waste sitting around having to learn every single facet of something when I could be out living lives and doing things like other people. But I just gotta knooooow things.

Thanks again! It's really nice to meet you.
 

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Thank you for taking such time to write such a considerate post. I really appreciate it, and it's nice to meet you.

Let me start off by saying that I'm terrible at describing my own personality. I can read others and sum them up in a second, even without getting to know them, and sit there and define who they are with a pretty large amount of accuracy, but when it comes to myself I sound like a bumbling idiot.

I see what you're saying about using other people for ideas and understanding, and I just don't do that. I can't really relate to that at all, but it DOES sound a crapton like my husband though and it made me giggle. I don't think you sound selfish or ego-centric at all though! I have these flashes of just knowing things; that's usually the vehicle through which I understand the world. Sometimes it manifests as a logical, linear progression of thought and other times I just know it and don't understand until later what it means.

The best example of this is when I have to write a paper. Standard brainstorming or outlining practices like they teach you in Composition classes actually always lower my grade - the more I spend dwelling on an idea or asking others about it, the crappier it gets. On essays where outlining/brainstorming practices were required, I'd go down a whole letter grade than normal. My best writing - and writing is my best talent academically wise - comes from just sitting down at Word and writing, and not thinking about a thing. It all comes from nowhere, and then manifests itself into an A after some editing.

Not a problem! I was actually a little worried my post would come off as me telling you who you are, versus providing some ENFP incite, but thankfully, it looks as though you didn't take it negatively at all. :) It was fun learning more about your thought process and enjoy discovering my descriptions actually describe your INFP husband quite well. We do after all, share functions :happy2:

Looking forward to seeing more of you around the forum!
 

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It's possible to be an INTJ in a dom-tert loop, which means the Ni-Fi loop is stronger than the aux function. The same thing can happen with INFJs being in a Ni-Ti loop where they get really detached, analytical, and even unemotional.

But, I don't think people typically fit perfectly into any of these personality types. I think being a blend of a couple of types is a legitimate typing, and not just a temporary question. A person can be an INXJ as a type from what I can tell.
 

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I'm not an extrovert by any stretch of the imagination. Also, let me reiterate that I'm a Ni dom. I've taken basically every test on the internet, a professional assessment at university, and I've always scored INFJ with no deviations. Even taking this same "Key2Cognition" a year ago yielded me only elevated Ni and Fe scores, with everything else middle of the road. It wasn't until I retook this particular test recently that I scored any Ne at all, or Fi, or Te - hence my posting of this thread: INFJ or INTJ?

I have the ability to be quite the chameleon on the outside, and seeing as all my friends/relatives/ex boyfriends/husband are Ne doms or aux, I learned to roll with it. I don't normally use it when thinking in my own head, but in speaking, I can force myself to see things through a Ne lens. Even if it truly annoys me sometimes.

This is the issue with that function test. I just don't think it's that great. I have found myself getting different scores when I took it a couple years apart for example.

You definitely sound like an INFJ to me and not an INTJ.
 

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I don't think you've said anything that sounds particularly like or unlike a type, but I noticed that not 2 pages in to your thread, you had someone suggest you were an ISFJ, then another person suggest ENFP. I'm not qualified to say what you are or aren't, but I thought it was peculiar and amusing at the same time, considering that you made it clear you had not only been officially tested but had done plenty of research. Again, I think it's almost a gut reaction for people to question new INxJ arrivals (particularly those claiming INFJ), because a lot of people show up claiming the type after doing one online test and are often anything but that type.

I went through the same thing before too, but unlike others I actually stuck through. Now why don't you mention mine and Chubber's name will you?
Gosh passive aggressive attitudes I don't like. If there is something you don't like, address it.
 

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I don't think you've said anything that sounds particularly like or unlike a type, but I noticed that not 2 pages in to your thread, you had someone suggest you were an ISFJ, then another person suggest ENFP. I'm not qualified to say what you are or aren't, but I thought it was peculiar and amusing at the same time, considering that you made it clear you had not only been officially tested but had done plenty of research. Again, I think it's almost a gut reaction for people to question new INxJ arrivals (particularly those claiming INFJ), because a lot of people show up claiming the type after doing one online test and are often anything but that type.

I did think it was a little funny, jumping from Ne dom to Ne inferior in a single bound. But it's okay - I've felt like I don't fit in any of the types before. I just know that within my actual interactions with the ISFJs and ENFPs I know, I'm not much like either of them. On the outside at first, I kinda seem a little similar, but that all falls away quickly and then there's this awkward difference of thought processes there. I get along well with them though, especially ENFPs, even if I cannot stand how fickle some Ne types can be occasionally. (The authentic and genuine are very important to me, and I don't think you can be either without commitment...well, unless you're genuinely inauthentic, lol)

I'm not exactly satisfied to be INFJ, honestly. It fits better for me than any other type description, but I hate the notoriety it has on the internet. I feel like I'm being a "hipster" even admitting INFJ, and also I really despise some of the anti-science attitudes some INFJ people seem to have. It's like out of control, emotionally tainted Ti - I know of one INFJ that is heavily anti-vax, thinks microwaves cause cancer, and thinks you can cure almost anything with herbs. It makes me facepalm. I do not want to be associated with such out-of-control magical thought. (I know not all INFJs are like this, at all, but one bad apple spoils the bunch reputation wise, at least with the common public...)

Although I'd be lying if I said I haven't indulged in some magical thinking before...god, what a contridiction.

Anyway, if the glove fits, I wear it, and Ni-Fe just fits. The fact that I don't seem to use Ti much at all is what made me wonder about INTJ.
I just can't fully identify with anything except Ni. Ni is my bread and butter. The rest of my personality feels like a damn kaleidoscope.
 

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What you are seeing with those INFJs (assuming they're correctly typed) is an overreliance on Ni paired with neglect for their auxiliary. That can lend itself to ungrounded and baseless conspiracy theory thinking. They're retreating to the comfort of their dominant Ni which is guiding them to some of these assumptions/certainties, which they're probably further backing up with their Ti. I think Ni and Ti, when working in unison and without the support of the auxiliary, can be kind of dangerous. Similar thinking probably occurs in ISTPs, albeit reversed (Ti tendency to analyze, categorize, and systematize gets flooded with Ni realizations, but if unchecked with Se, can lead to wild and unfounded conspiracy theories and magical thinking)

lol, I've definately seen this in the two ISTPs I know. I believe they are the one type I know of (there's a couple types that I don't know anyone of (or know I know anyone of)) that I just cannot connect or identify with. They react with viritrol towards me and I just get the impression they're emotionally and logically stunted, for lack of a better term.

I've heard that all the recent mass shootings in the US, including Sandy Hook, were fake government conspiracies and that they saw Bigfoot on the prairie once and shit like that. Just no.

These beliefs seem mostly harmless, but I think what scares me about ISTPs is that they have Se, which makes them act on these Ti-Ni impressions without taking time to confirm the legitimency of their impressions. They just GO.

This is only referring to the two ISTPs I know in person, so no offense to anyone that identifies with this type on these forums, I'm sorry.
 

melpomene

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Of course. I'm not here to bash ISTPs and INFJs, just to recognize unhealthy behaviors of either type. Obviously all the types have their own ways of behaving and thinking when unhealthy.

My sister's significant other is prone to wild conspiracy thinking and I sometimes wonder if he's an ISTP in an unhealthy dom-tert loop


What type is your sister, do you think? I'm so bad about attempting to type everyone I know, it's almost like I'm sorting people. I've taken every oppurtunity I can to spring them when I can. Just the other day my first boyfriend from high school - my first love, to be sappy about it - messaged me to tell me he's getting married in two weeks. I was like "Well congrats, here, now take this test. I've already guessed your results. You're an ENFP, now go prove me right."
He tested ENFP.

I usually try and guess someone's type (my husband does too, he's just as obsessed with type theory as I) and I'm usually right. If someone's results align with my prior perception, I trust it. I bet you're right about your sister's significant other.
 
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