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FiTe Fer Your RiTe To PAAARRTTEEH!

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At this moment in time, I am almost certain that I am an ESxP (Extroverted Sensor Dom), well at least an SP. After much searching, I'm still clueless as to if I use Fi-Te, or Ti-Fe to compliment my Se/Ni. Some people claim that I'm an ESTP, others ESFP.

I'm going to post a series of questions compiled into one mega questionnaire from the sticky threads in this subforum. Here goes:

1. What makes you angry?

What makes me angry? Various things. I would say that general stupidity makes me angry. Incompetence also. People harming people for no good reason. Hypocrites. People who pretend to like people, but are using them unjustly. People who are incoherent. People who are afraid of everything, unnessecarily. Swag fags, people who have more money than sense, special snowflakes and pseudo-intellectuals.

2. What do you like/dislike most about people?

I like people who are ballsy. I like people who are edgy and interesting. I like people with charisma, character, dignity, some integrety. Doers. Triers. People who do stuff and can back it up. People who are brave. People who have lived life to the full, and got out the other side alive and live to tell the tale.

I dislike people who are sly, wasters, dictators, constant boasters, ones who hide their personalities, fake macho men (except for actors), and people who belittle others.

3. Do you like animals? Why?

Well, I think everyone likes animals to some degree, not just pets, but wild animals also. I'm sure everyone on this forum has at least one favourite animal. Animals are majestic, intelligent, stunning, diverse creatures that help keep the circle of life going. I see no reason to hate them. (Even though some make annoying noises, or have strange looking faces. Most animals are harmless, if you leave them alone. Even lions can be tamed. Sharks too.)

4. What do you like most about the favorite people in your life?

What do I like most about the favourite people in my life? *Goes up to mirror* (jk :p)

Nah, I like how they are good fun, supportive and care enough to want to know more about me, and treat me like a human being. I also like how they cheer me up when I am down, and like to go places with me. And that we have a lot in common. They are real people beneath their superficial exteriors.

5. What do you like/dislike most about yourself?

What do I like most? The fact that I can make people feel comfortable in their skin, am a great entertainer, can stand up for myself, am fun and decently intelligent.

What do I dislike about myself? My inner turmoil. The demons in my mind who try get my thoughts to turn against me. My mind is a warzone. Thoughts are grenades. Feelings are explosions. Buildings are my brain. I get by though, I can distract myself easily and get absorbed in my surroundings for a few hours and enjoy myself.

6. Do you care about being fashionable? Why/why not?

Fashion is subjective. It's a form of art, unique to the individual. No-one ever wore the same clothes as Freddie Mercury. And not many were as great a performer as he was. Same for Kiss. They had their own brand, their own fashion and music style unique to their band.

Some people liked their style, and others balked at it. Personally, I like to be comfortable in my own skin with my clothes. I like to mix and match my t-shirts, trousers and trainers every now and then. I like to dress bolder than other days. It depends on what is washed, and what I feel like wearing on that day.

7. Do you prefer to fit in or stand out?

Do I prefer to fit in or stand out? In what sense? To be honest, I am my own person. I am quite comfortable as I am. I enjoy doing what I want, when I want. If I stick out, cool. If I fit in, cool.

8. What activities do you enjoy?

-Watching Movies
-Music Production
-Walking
-Drawing
-Socially Drinking
-Shopping
-Masturbation
-Web design
-Gym
-Socializing (meeting new people)
-People watching
-Singing
- Going on car/bus/traib journeys and looking out the window and absorbing the scenery
-Pool (when I can)
-Reading (when my attention span allows me to)
-Drama
-Youth Work (volunteering)

9. What makes you feel secure?

Hm... security is something I haven't really put much thought into caring about. Life is unpredictable. Life is a crazy bitch at times, so even if you think you're secure, you're not. I wouldn't put my security in material goods. They're meant to be destroyed. I wouldn't put it in anything on this earth, to be honest. Nothing matters when we die.

10. Do you like being in a relationship? Why/why not?

A sexual one, or a casual one? Relationship is a diverse term. Personally, I enjoy being free to do what I want and when I want, with no strings attatched to a relationship at the moment, but if I find the right person, I'm sure I'll enjoy being in a relationship.

If not, I ain't gonna stress over it, 'cause I've always got porn, food, violence, drink and my list of sex buddies to keep me going for a while ;D

11. What do you love and why? Could be people, things, places, etc...

What do I love? The things I am passionate about, obviously. The things that bring out my heart and soul into a masterpiece of a finished product. The things that make me feel good about myself, and the things which give me a sense of achievement, belonging and purpose. Things which are fun, and never tire me out. Things which make me feel better after I do them. Things which make me and other people smile. Things which bring out the best in me.

I love the concept of God as a Father. I love how he loves us no matter what. I love how the forgives us. Tests us. Punishes us. Rewards us. Brings out our best and worst through trials and tribulations. And helps us develop into better people as time passes, and we grow to love him more. I love how he'll always be loyal to us, as long as we respect him in return. I love how he is wisdom, knowledge and the universe personified into three parts of the same God.

12. What do you spend the most time thinking about?

The things around me, song lyrics, Geezy Records, food, people around me, my hobbies and passions, my dreams, recapping my day, random thoughts that pop up about God. Revelations in my mind.

13. How much have you changed over the years? Who were you as a child?

A lot. Everyone changes. Whether it be for the better, or worse. As a child, I was a little eccentric. Not as grounded as I am now, a little more hyper, more cynical, more creative, more crazy, not as daring, not as grounded, not as assertive, not as quick-minded, open, social, not as much of a go-getter, not as much of a leader, not as much of a doer, not as much ambition, not half as cool as I am now.

I have changed so much, and although I have my flaws, I think I've changed for the better. I think my teenage years taught me a lot, and made me a stronger person. I still have a long way to go before I get to a reasonable standard and am a bit rough around the edges, but as long as I keep learning, growing, changing and maturing, I'll get there.

14. How do you respond to clingy people?

It depends on how annoying they are. If they are clingy and persist after I warn them, they are offloaded. If they wise up, they are given a second chance, but if they screw up then, I'm done with them. Not because I'm mean, but because they've proven to me that they can't change, and are consistently unreliable. I think most people deserve a second chance, but not everyone. I view it as a privilege.

15. If you could change the ocean to any color, what would that color be?

Interesting question. I think I would change it to a heavenly shade of aqua/turquoise. I have always loved the brightness and allure of those shades of blue, and found them very appealing to my mind, and easy on my eyes. I also find those shades very calming to my mind, body and soul.

16. Would you consider living in the nude for a period of time (a month)?

Hell yes. So much freedom. I already sleep naked, so what difference would another 12 hours make? And besides, I could twerk naked 24/7 in my hallway. Give the guests a show ;D

17. When you are romantically interested in an individual, how do you generally act (shy, outgoing, annoying, etc.)?

Usually outgoing, showboating, quirky. Like to make 'em laugh. I try to be interesting, and get to know them better. I like to talk to them, share a few drinks, make them feel special, get close and personal, do some things together ;D

18. What is your favorite food? What's so great about it?

My favorite food? To be fair, I enjoy food in general, but I adore fried chicken. I love the taste, texture and flavour of the crispy chicken skin hitting my lips, the crunchy, golden, potato packed fries fries gliding down my throat and the drink to wash it all away with. To me, it's a taste sensation. Comfort food doesn't get any better than that :)

19 . Define justice!

Again, justice is subjective to the individual's moral/ethical views, culture and law system.

To me, justice is when someone commits a wrong act, and gets the appropriate punishment for it. A taste of their own medicene. Not revenge, but what they deserve for commiting the wrong act. A correction from "karma", in a sense.

20. Do you orientate by general directions or by landmarks?

I just show up, walk about and end up in the place I need to be. I enjoy exploring the area around me, and being a part of it. Absorbing all the details. Following the directions. Having fun as I go along, y'know? I like having free time to look around me to familiarize myself with the place, and interact with my surroundings as I move along.

21. What would you like to learn if time and money were no issue? Why?

How to use a rifle/gun. Target practice. Shooting lessons. We all need one, so we can keep maniacs at a safe distance. For self-defence. So we can have cool belts and pimp 'em with roses too. Guns 'n' roses :3 (Not that I like them or anything, but I think it would look cool).

22. What is your MBTI type, Enneagram, Socionics, Temperament, etc.? How did you arrive at them--tests, introspection, "trying it on".. ? How confident are you that they fit--how well do they describe you, and what about them doesn't fit? What other types have you "tried on" or thought you were?

My MBTI type? I am sure. This is why I'm filling out this questionnaire. Duh. I am not an NTP, SJ. Or even an NJ? I'm not ruling out SP at all, although my enneagram type may make me come across as another type, when I'm not.

I'm pretty confident that my enneagram type is either 783, or 873 (triple assertive-- it has 3, 7 and 8 in it someway xD)

My Socionics is most likely S*E over *IE, imo. I relate to the Beta Quadra the most, but Gamma Quadra wouldn't shock me at all. I never really sat down and worked it all out properly tbh, lol.

I got here through tests and best fits. I tried out all the test results, and other people's recommendations, and these are the outcomes I felt most comfortable with. My closest fits. I am pretty confident these are my closest fits because of the stated reasons above.

23. Why are you here? Why do you study typology? (Maybe some inspiration from here...)

Because I fell into the trap of Typology last year. It seemed interesting, so I wanted to find out more about it. And here I am, wondering about my own type, despite everything I know. Some things are just too hard to solve, especially people with complex enneagram types/general personalities.

I study Typology as part of my own growth and development, discovering who I am, and who others are in the process. What their motives are, how we work/ don't work together etc. And I find it a fun and interesting topic to research :D When you think you have it solved, there's still more to come. It's adventurous. Dramatic. Fun. Informative. Useful. Diverse.

24. What do you value? What do you value in your environment, in the world, in other people, in dialog?

What do I value? Real people. Interesting people. Fun people. People who are prepared to learn and grow with me. Exciting people who are up for anything, anytime and anywhere. Ballsy people. Honest people.

What do I value in my environment? Not sure, as I find that mine is constantly changing.

In the world? Also not sure. I value a lot of things, because you need more than just hope to survive in this crazy world.

In dialog? Nothing really, just an interesting convo. I'm easy. Easy like a Sundaaay Mooorrrning ;D

25. How do you present yourself to the world, at work, in conversation (perhaps in your choice of clothing or word choice)?

I present myself as being laid back usually. Comfortable and confident in myself and who I am. As I am. I can appear a little lazy, annoying, intense, testy and psychical to some people, and my speech a little sloppy, but once you get to know me, you get to see my other side, which isn't so bad ;D

26. What got you interested in Personality Type?

(See Q.23)

27.What kind of work do you do for a living?

At the moment, I am a self-employed record producer, who is hoping to go back to school and do a part time college course to get to know the industry better, with all its tips and tricks. And to re-ignite the fire inside me, and to inspire my music flare.

28.What is the greatest accomplishment of your life?

I'll tell you when I'm on my deathbed ;)

29. What would constitute a perfect day for you?

-Waking up
-Going to a coffee shop
-Going shopping
-Getting a snack for lunch
-Going to the cinema
-Going paintballing
-Going out for a meal
-Doing a bar crawl, and seeing how far I get ;D
-Waking up the next day, satisfied but pissed somewhere :D


30. What are you most grateful for in your life?

The fact that I am alive and kicking. I thank God for my health, family, friends and what I have. I feel blessed, and content with what I have got.

31. Is there something that you've dreamt of doing for a long time? Why haven't you done it?

Making a record company. Doing a crossover album with Pina Records.

I've started it, but M.I.A.M.I (Money Is A Major Issue) atm. I am trying to make some and fly overseas :)

32. If you could change anything about the way you were raised, what would it be?

Nothing at all. What happened happened for a reason.

33. Share an embarrassing moment in your life.

Do you really wanna know? Back when I was a Vincelet in playschool, I had to go to the toilet, but I couldn't go or hold it in any longer, so I shat myself infront of everyone. I had to get changed into these horrible red dungarees. I still remember them to this very day *shudders* I'd rather have sat on the naughty step with just my underwear on all day than have had to wear those dungarees.

I guess I learned a valuable lesson. Don't shit your pants in playgroup :mad:

34. Before making a phone call, do you ever rehearse what you're going to say? Why?

If it's not important, no. I find that a waste of time.

If it's an important phone call, I'll look over the key points and memorize those, but say them as they come out. I won't disrupt the natural flow of the the conversation with a movie script in my mind.

35. If you could wake up tomorrow having gained one quality or ability, what would it be?

I dunno. Does being psychic (foresight) count as one? ;)

36.What do you value most in a friendship?

Honesty, trust, integrety, a close connection, relevancy, support, stability, adaptation.

37.What is your most treasured memory?

Ugh, I have loads. I go loads of places, and meet loads of different people. A few stand out, but no one in particular.

38. What roles do love and affection play in your life?

Hm.. at the moment, not much. I'm a single pringle enjoying life at the moment, with no mundane responsibilities to tie me down. I don't have a partner, kids, a budgie or a family of my own, so I can't really answer that as such.

39.Your house, containing everything you own, catches fire. After saving your loved ones and pets, you have time to safely make a final dash to save any one item. What would it be? Why?

My recording equipment. So I can start somewhere new, and make more music and money.

40.Who would you want with you if you were stranded on a deserted island?

Danny Trejo. Machete. Awesome guy.

41.If you could do anything you wanted right now, what would it be?

To be Donald Trump. TRUMP 2016! TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP!

42.If money was no object, what would you do all day?

Probably just dick about. Have fun, travel, explore places, meet new people and record my experiences and turn them into documovies.

43.Who is your favorite author?

Vince (me) xD. I do write a little bit, but I'm not much of a reader, tbh. My attention span doesn't stretch that far most of the time.

44.What is your favorite book?

^^ (see Q.43)


45.What has been your biggest challenge?

Hm. So far? I haven't lived long enough to tell you indefinitely, but I guess becoming who I am. Through all the struggles, trials, risks, errors, tribulations and shame. I've came out the other end relatively unscatched, and decent. A lot wiser too xD

46.If you could go back in time, what year would you travel to?

1985. To the middle of a dynamic decade. I just adore the '80s. I adore the drama, the flamboyancy, the music, the balls, the individuality, the technological advances, the characters, the style, the romance, the passion, flare and general buzz of it all.

47.What does your life say about you?

Which Psychology magazine did you steal this question from? ;)

48.How would your friends describe you?

As nuts. Funny. Caring?! Interesting. Intelligent. Hyper. Cool.

Well, that's all folks. Feel free to ask me more questions, if you need to. Thanks for reading my thread and attempting to type me. Adios :)
 

SpankyMcFly

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ESFP, final answer
 

Patrick

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Have you seen this comparison of ESFP and ESTP?

I'm not qualified to type anybody, but FWIW I started out thinking ESTP as I read your Q&A post. Then, when I saw that someone else guessed ESFP, I thought, Yeah--could be.

A key might be in the way you deal with conflict. The TP style is pretty different from the FP style. Click this link, and scroll all the way down to the heading "MBTI® Type and Conflict Pairs." Read about the TP and FP styles. If you're an FP like me, you'll probably avoid conflict like the plague; and when it happens anyway, you'll want to get to the root of it, show concern for everybody involved, and restore harmony. But if you're a TP, others will see you as sometimes provoking conflict--stirring things up and dealing with conflict rationally (unemotionally).

Hope some of that helps. Good luck finding your answer.
 
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Have you seen this comparison of ESFP and ESTP?

I'm not qualified to type anybody, but FWIW I started out thinking ESTP as I read your Q&A post. Then, when I saw that someone else guessed ESFP, I thought, Yeah--could be.

A key might be in the way you deal with conflict. The TP style is pretty different from the FP style. Click this link, and scroll all the way down to the heading "MBTI® Type and Conflict Pairs." Read about the TP and FP styles. If you're an FP like me, you'll probably avoid conflict like the plague; and when it happens anyway, you'll want to get to the root of it, show concern for everybody involved, and restore harmony. But if you're a TP, others will see you as sometimes provoking conflict--stirring things up and dealing with conflict rationally (unemotionally).

Hope some of that helps. Good luck finding your answer.

Hello Patrick,

Thanks for taking the time out to reply to me, and post those links. I read them both, but I find that descriptions can be a bit generic at times (e.g portraying TPs as bad with emotion, bad with values, only focused on logical things etc). They don't really get to the core of typing the person in hand, especially if they're mature. The developed Ti-Fe/Fi-Te can make the T/F barrier harder to determine.

And also I find that an irregular enneagram type can also make things harder, if you're going to do things based on typical descriptions e.g an 8w7 sx/sp ESFP is going to be very different from the typical 4 stereotype of ESFPs, as is an ESTP 9w1, when the usual is an ESTP 3/7.

And even INTJs can be emotional/ethical if they have well-developed Fi. They can know where they stand on their values/the people around them/empathy etc. This is what makes finding our best fit so hard. The fact that we are all individual, and so many of thus defy these stereotypes in personality theory, and it makes finding our best fit even more difficult.

As for the conflict styles, I don't mind a bit of conflict. I'm not sensitive enough to back down, and take things personally, and I don't mind being involved in solving the issues, but I will also avoid conflict if it's something I disagree with/ stupid/ way over my head, or pointless. I think arguing for the sake of it is illogical, when you can be doing so many different things. It proves nothing.
 

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One thing I look for when separating Fi-Te and Fe-Ti users is where their values come from - usually by how static or dynamic those values are. In my experience, Fi users tend to have stronger, more static values and while they may modify pieces here and there, you’ll rarely see them abruptly change or abandon them to align better with the environment. Fi is similar to Ti in that it prioritizes the process over the final result. It is inherently subjective and specialized but more personal than impersonal Ti.

Fe users tend to be less solid in their own values. The ones they do have are often vague and easy to apply across a broad range of situations. Their focus is more on optimizing the interpersonal atmosphere instead of refining their personal experiences like Fi users. Objective and generalizing. Just like Te but with less focus on strict logical constructions and more focus on the fluid “human” element.

Slight digression, I think the above relates to why some Fe users are seen as charismatic, chameleon-like, and occasionally insincere while some Fi users are seen as self-aware, individualistic, and occasionally self-absorbed. In general, I find that the “place” of the function doesn’t really have an effect on the preference in and of itself. xxTPs and xxTJs will still experience Fe’s and Fi’s pulls. The biggest difference is that they’ll struggle to use those processes as constructively as xxFJs and xxFPs since it doesn’t come to them as naturally and requires active effort and practice. As an ENTP, I'm (now) keenly aware of how much I value Fe and it's influence on my decision making but I still, more often than not, default to Ti because it is more familiar and less vulnerable.

So the way I figure it, the answer to whether or not you’re ESFP or ESTP comes down to the strength of your convictions and whether you place more importance on improving your self-understanding or improving your understanding others. It's not uncommon to desire both but one is usually slightly preferred.

And if you actually read through all that than Wow! and Sorry! because I got a little carried away with the explanation and almost forgot to give an answer. My impression from your questionnaire is ESFP and your suggested tritype seems accurate. Regardless, The Final Judgement (tm) is up to you.

Hope this was helpful.
 

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I can agree with ESFP:)
 

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Another thing I find useful is looking at what Socionics calls the Vulnerable function, or PoLR (Point of Least Resistance). For an ESTP it's Fi, and for an ESFP it's Ti. If the theory holds up, one of these should be like a thorn in your side that you've had to contend with all your life. When you're called upon to use it, it can be so painful that you'd rather just avoid it if at all possible. Thus, for many people the PoLR stands out like a sore thumb and can be a good indicator of type.

Here are descriptions of PoLR Ti and PoLR Fi. See what you think. (SEE is ESFP, and SLE is ESTP.)

Introverted Logic (Ti, Ti)

SEEs generally exhibit chaotic and uncontrolled lifestyles. They are motivated by their impulses and momentary feelings, and may have difficulty carrying themselves to fulfill day-to-day obligations and responsibilities. To the extent that their external obligations permit it, they tend to be habitually unstructured and vagarious. They do not engage in systematic decision-making and may instead base their behaviors on whimsical desires. They avoid restricting or regimenting their lifestyles based on rational or "common sense" behaviors and can resist attempts to bring order and stability to their lives.

They may have difficulty following externally imposed rules on their behavior, and may automatically resist being told what to do in matters pertaining to their lifestyle. They may have difficulty adapting their naturally impetuous lifestyle to some situations. Convincing them to change their ways is a gradual, tiresome and often thankless process, best accomplished by persons whose judgment they trust fully.

SEEs are often inclined to disregard what they see as petty rules and procedures, especially if those require a high investment of time and concentration in order to be understood and implemented, while blocking the SEEs from achieving their goals. If they are suddenly stopped in their tracks by external forces because of a previous disregard for such rules, they can lash out in frustration and impatience, while feeling helpless and angry at having been so sidetracked.

- See more at: http://sociotype.com/socionics/types/SEE-ESFp/#sthash.XR14RKn9.dpuf

Introverted Ethics (Fi, Fi)

SLEs have trouble evaluating the internal emotional state of other people unless it is accompanied by a visible emotional expression. They are typically inept at reading people's inner feelings and often do not expect people to react to them on the basis of sentiments that are not outwardly visible. They do not like it when they are judged morally or when their lack of attention to others' feelings is criticized. SLEs are uncomfortable in overly sentimental occasions, and in situations where they are expected or required to offer emotional support. Many SLEs are highly emotionally guarded, and may become touchy or apprehensive if they expect that others may judge their character harshly.

SLEs will often tread carefully in their interpersonal relationships. They may fear psychological distance from others, which they often try to overcome by seeking respect and appreciation from others. They have few qualms about taking the iniative, and they may seek affirmation by attempting to engage or protect the other person. However, on some individuals their behaviour may have the opposite effect of their intentions; their protection may be viewed as jealousy and their advances as immature or inappropriate. SLEs can usually maintain an air of formality when necessary, and have the potential to be very direct and undeceiving partners, but they tend to find such interaction stifling; they usually prefer colorful emotional environments in which they are free to act on their impulses and exert control.

SLEs are often under the impression that while they might gain respect or admiration from others, they can never be truly loved by anyone. Sometimes, SLEs can become paranoid about their relationships with others; they may fear that current relations will affect future relations in some way e.g. a bond with a potential partner in the present might "ruin" a relationship with a future spouse.

- See more at: http://sociotype.com/socionics/types/SLE-ESTp/#sthash.PPfxvY4R.dpuf
 

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(accidental double post--shortened to this)
 

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Aaargh! Double post ... and you can't delete things here. Sorry.
 

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What it seems now is ESFP. :( I want ESTP's on this forum more often, give me a little Se-Fe love, even though I don't completely agree with the Se lifestyle regardless. Hmm. Well, it's ultimately up to you.
 
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Woah! :eek:

One thing I look for when separating Fi-Te and Fe-Ti users is where their values come from - usually by how static or dynamic those values are. In my experience, Fi users tend to have stronger, more static values and while they may modify pieces here and there, you’ll rarely see them abruptly change or abandon them to align better with the environment Fi is similar to Ti in that it prioritizes the process over the final result. It is inherently subjective and specialized but more personal than impersonal Ti.

Fe users tend to be less solid in their own values. The ones they do have are often vague and easy to apply across a broad range of situations. Their focus is more on optimizing the interpersonal atmosphere instead of refining their personal experiences like Fi users. Objective and generalizing. Just like Te but with less focus on strict logical constructions and more focus on the fluid “human” element.

Slight digression, I think the above relates to why some Fe users are seen as charismatic, chameleon-like, and occasionally insincere while some Fi users are seen as self-aware, individualistic, and occasionally self-absorbed. In general, I find that the “place” of the function doesn’t really have an effect on the preference in and of itself. xxTPs and xxTJs will still experience Fe’s and Fi’s pulls. The biggest difference is that they’ll struggle to use those processes as constructively as xxFJs and xxFPs since it doesn’t come to them as naturally and requires active effort and practice. As an ENTP, I'm (now) keenly aware of how much I value Fe and it's influence on my decision making but I still, more often than not, default to Ti because it is more familiar and less vulnerable.

So the way I figure it, the answer to whether or not you’re ESFP or ESTP comes down to the strength of your convictions and whether you place more importance on improving your self-understanding or improving your understanding others. It's not uncommon to desire both but one is usually slightly preferred.

And if you actually read through all that than Wow! and Sorry! because I got a little carried away with the explanation and almost forgot to give an answer. My impression from your questionnaire is ESFP and your suggested tritype seems accurate. Regardless, The Final Judgement (tm) is up to you.

Hope this was helpful.

Thank you for your reply. And yes, I read everything you said, and agree with you to a point. The points I have bolded, are the ones I relate to for various reasons:

  • I agree with Fi users having stronger static values, which are harder to be influenced by the environment, due to their personalization, but I also don't have a lot of values, as I deem over-valuization unnessecary. If I have two or three values I can stick with, then I'm fine with that. I'm not a die-hard moralist either. I just go through life as it is, and learn to know my boundaries (well, they're not very high, lol). It's mostly common sense to me, though, when it comes to killing people etc and self defense. But I can use logic also, and I'm not into these 'strict logical constructions'. To me, there is no strict logic, or free-flowing logic. Logic is 'logic', heck whatever 'logic' is defined as, lol.
  • Personally, I can also change the atmosphere. I can be charismatic as heck if I wanna be, and not very self-absorbed. I guess it also depends on how we all feel, to an extent. I am good at displaying Fe-like tendencies when I am out and about, and entertaining people, or online, when I can entertain people also. But, it may also be Se-Fi, acting like Fe to the outside world. Se, absorbing the atmosphere, acting in the moment, and Fi being self aware, acting on those emotions etc. I have also thought of being an ESTP in an Se-Fe loop, but I'm not sure how much sense that makes, in accordance to functional use etc. I know I am developing something, some way or another. I am at the age where my third function is supposed to be developing (late teens, early 20s). I thought about shadow functions also, and how we use them, but again, they may be appropriate for certain situations, but they'll never be as strong as your top four functions, thus are much easier to spot, imo.
  • Do I want self-understanding, or the ability to understand others? I think that most people want both, but isn't the best way to understand others though understanding yourself first? Don't you have to know yourself, before you know others motives? You can be as logical/moralistic as you like, but at the end of the day, understanding others is hard to do, unless you figure yourself out first. You need to explore, and learn things about yourself, before you can apply that to the outside world, in a sense. You also have to teach yourself social skills, understanding etc. You can read about it all you like, but if you don't apply it to the real world in some way, you learn nothing at all.


I can agree with ESFP:)

Why do you agree with ESFP? What has stood out to you that I am one, apart from the questionnaire answers? :p Is it the way I dress, the way I dance, the way I walk around in my underpants?

Another thing I find useful is looking at what Socionics calls the Vulnerable function, or PoLR (Point of Least Resistance). For an ESTP it's Fi, and for an ESFP it's Ti. If the theory holds up, one of these should be like a thorn in your side that you've had to contend with all your life. When you're called upon to use it, it can be so painful that you'd rather just avoid it if at all possible. Thus, for many people the PoLR stands out like a sore thumb and can be a good indicator of type.

Here are descriptions of PoLR Ti and PoLR Fi. See what you think. (SEE is ESFP, and SLE is ESTP.):
Introverted Logic (Ti, Ti)

SEEs generally exhibit chaotic and uncontrolled lifestyles. They are motivated by their impulses and momentary feelings, and may have difficulty carrying themselves to fulfill day-to-day obligations and responsibilities. To the extent that their external obligations permit it, they tend to be habitually unstructured and vagarious. They do not engage in systematic decision-making and may instead base their behaviors on whimsical desires. They avoid restricting or regimenting their lifestyles based on rational or "common sense" behaviors and can resist attempts to bring order and stability to their lives.

They may have difficulty following externally imposed rules on their behavior, and may automatically resist being told what to do in matters pertaining to their lifestyle. They may have difficulty adapting their naturally impetuous lifestyle to some situations. Convincing them to change their ways is a gradual, tiresome and often thankless process, best accomplished by persons whose judgment they trust fully.

SEEs are often inclined to disregard what they see as petty rules and procedures, especially if those require a high investment of time and concentration in order to be understood and implemented, while blocking the SEEs from achieving their goals. If they are suddenly stopped in their tracks by external forces because of a previous disregard for such rules, they can lash out in frustration and impatience, while feeling helpless and angry at having been so sidetracked.
Introverted Ethics (Fi, Fi)

SLEs have trouble evaluating the internal emotional state of other people unless it is accompanied by a visible emotional expression. They are typically inept at reading people's inner feelings and often do not expect people to react to them on the basis of sentiments that are not outwardly visible. They do not like it when they are judged morally or when their lack of attention to others' feelings is criticized. SLEs are uncomfortable in overly sentimental occasions, and in situations where they are expected or required to offer emotional support. Many SLEs are highly emotionally guarded, and may become touchy or apprehensive if they expect that others may judge their character harshly.

SLEs will often tread carefully in their interpersonal relationships. They may fear psychological distance from others, which they often try to overcome by seeking respect and appreciation from others. They have few qualms about taking the iniative, and they may seek affirmation by attempting to engage or protect the other person. However, on some individuals their behaviour may have the opposite effect of their intentions; their protection may be viewed as jealousy and their advances as immature or inappropriate. SLEs can usually maintain an air of formality when necessary, and have the potential to be very direct and undeceiving partners, but they tend to find such interaction stifling; they usually prefer colorful emotional environments in which they are free to act on their impulses and exert control.

SLEs are often under the impression that while they might gain respect or admiration from others, they can never be truly loved by anyone. Sometimes, SLEs can become paranoid about their relationships with others; they may fear that current relations will affect future relations in some way e.g. a bond with a potential partner in the present might "ruin" a relationship with a future spouse.

Hey, thanks for the reply once again. I have heard about PoLR in Socionics (I've studied it a bit, and I am a member of The16types forums, which are dedicated to Sociotypes etc), and I have been trying to figure out which descriptions I relate to the most. At the moment, I relate to SLE (ESTp), EIE (ENFj), SEE (ESFp), and ESE (ESFj). As you can see, these Sociotypes are split over 3 different Quadras, which is a pain in the ass for me. In order, I relate to Beta, Gamma and Alpha the most.

I'll bolden the points which I relate to the most in each PoLR. I don't completely agree with either description, yet I don't disagree with either:

  • I can be pretty chaotic and uncontrolled and act on my impulses etc, but I think that's more an Se-specific trait, than just Fi. I notice a lot of Se-Doms doing those kinda things, lol. But yes, I can see how the uncontrolled aspect can relate to Ti-PoLR.
  • I can be very unstructured, because the world is changing. I see no point in structure, if one day is gonna be different than the other, and everything's always changing, lol. Structure is very limiting to me, outwardly and inwardly. I enjoy-self expression to an extent, and I also enjoy random activities, and structure limits that for me. And anyway, no-one truly understands anyone.
  • Rules are also stupid, to me. Everyone's gonna break them, no matter what. They always make things worse, rather than better. They don't stop shit for happening. Infact, they make people more likely to rebel, lol. And yes, convincing me to change is impossible. I am who I am, and that's the way it'll always be. I can't convince you to change, 'cause you are who you are. Set in your ways, and it's a waste of time, lol.

  • I wouldn't say I have trouble as such, but I think it's much easier to evaluate someone's emotional state if they show it, instead of having to probe them. I don't mind comforting people, but only when it's necessary.
  • I wouldn't say I'm uncomfortable comforting people at all, and I'm not bad at giving emotional support, but there's some times when I just can't give it past "I'm sorry to hear." I don't wanna get involved in their personal business, when they want some space. I'll be a listener, and there for you, but I won't always reply when I can't. I. myself can be a bit guarded, but I think that's more to do with my actual personality, than Socionics. Some people are open, other's not so. You have to get to know them better, earn their trust etc. I guess I am like that, lol.
  • I do like respect, and appreciation from other people, but only if I deserve it/ can get it without being dishonest.
  • I can be direct/honest also, but only when I have to be. I hate sugar-coating the truth, and I like to tell things as they are, when they need to be told. Some people have said that I very direct at times. I do enjoy colorful environments, and I do enjoy exterting control and acting on my impulses, but again, I relate that to more Se, than Ti.


What it seems now is ESFP. :( I want ESTP's on this forum more often, give me a little Se-Fe love, even though I don't completely agree with the Se lifestyle regardless. Hmm. Well, it's ultimately up to you.

Don't worry, I'm not a type 4, if that's what you're worrying about? ;D I'm the life of the party, lol. Come on and dance with me! My love is better than SeFe :p
Why do you not agree with the Se lifestyle? I find it to be rewarding at times.
 

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Don't worry, I'm not a type 4, if that's what you're worrying about? ;D I'm the life of the party, lol. Come on and dance with me! My love is better than SeFe :p
Why do you not agree with the Se lifestyle? I find it to be rewarding at times.

Lol, true. Too many type 4's haha. Yeah don't need no mo' complex feelz. I need parteh's and simple happehness. Sure! Freestyle is what I'm at. Well, SeTe sounds interesting.. :huh:

Well, certainly living in the moment is something I agree with and without it life can be certainly dull. More of the materialistic sense of it, luxury things can only be entertaining for so long lol and it tires me out if I stay too long hard partying haha, all I want to do is just mush my face against a pillow lol. I guess just the pull of Ni of imagination and taking that more seriously gets me out. Colors can only be so enticing until I start to get overwhelmed and everything turns into grey. (OMG how much more 4 can that get?! ;p haha)

tl;dr:

I get tired from it. There's nothing inherently "wrong," just not my style. ;)
 
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Lol, true. Too many type 4's haha. Yeah don't need no mo' complex feelz. I need parteh's and simple happehness. Sure! Freestyle is what I'm at. Well, SeTe sounds interesting.. :huh:

Well, certainly living in the moment is something I agree with and without it life can be certainly dull. More of the materialistic sense of it, luxury things can only be entertaining for so long lol and it tires me out if I stay too long hard partying haha, all I want to do is just mush my face against a pillow lol. I guess just the pull of Ni of imagination and taking that more seriously gets me out. Colors can only be so enticing until I start to get overwhelmed and everything turns into grey. (OMG how much more 4 can that get?! ;p haha)

tl;dr:

I get tired from it. There's nothing inherently "wrong," just not my style. ;)

Yeah, too many special snowflakes ;D Yeah, you need to go out partying with me sometime in Ventrilo. Actually, there's a party going on here now. Go ask Oaky for an account, lol.

Se-Te is ESTP-like, as Se-Fe is ESFP-like.

Ni is useful, but gets boring after a while. I need a reality check :p
 

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The activities you enjoy... i'm much the same.

I see more F in your answers, so given just this I would go ESFP.
 

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I see a lot of Fi... I am sure you're not a Ti user, not an ESTP.
 

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That's cool. Fi or Fe? Big difference >:)

I use Fe in order to work with people, but a lot less than I should, cuz I don't take their shit. I see Fe as kind of pushover-ish. I have developed a lot of Fi through my use of Ti and Ne because my Ti doesn't just work toward factual discoveries. I want to learn all sorts of things about the universe outside and in, and therefore most of my thought is actually subjective and changeable. I have to, therefore, also develop sense of right ad wrong, what I believe, etc. My faith is in my own knowledge and being, and this confidence in myself allows me also to trust in my emotional inhibitions, contrary to what a lot of NTP stereotypes suggest.

Nice pic, by the way. Foo Fighters and Nirvana are both great.
 
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I see a lot of Fi... I am sure you're not a Ti user, not an ESTP.

Where? Don't just go by the questionnaire. Everyone uses Ti in varying amounts, as they do Si, Fe etc. Just because it isn't in someone's top four stack, it doesn't mean they don't use it.

I use Fe in order to work with people, but a lot less than I should, cuz I don't take their shit. I see Fe as kind of pushover-ish. I have developed a lot of Fi through my use of Ti and Ne because my Ti doesn't just work toward factual discoveries. I want to learn all sorts of things about the universe outside and in, and therefore most of my thought is actually subjective and changeable. I have to, therefore, also develop sense of right ad wrong, what I believe, etc. My faith is in my own knowledge and being, and this confidence in myself allows me also to trust in my emotional inhibitions, contrary to what a lot of NTP stereotypes suggest.

Nice pic, by the way. Foo Fighters and Nirvana are both great.

Fe can actually be quite manipulative. Fe can actually be opposite of 'push-over'. It can actually lead very well when it wants to. I guess it just depends on the health of the person using it, and how much of a pushover they themselves are. A lot of Mafia bosses are actually Fe-Doms. I don't think working with people has much to do with functions, but more to do with tolerance itself, and how mature the person/people they are working with are, as well as themselves. I know of ESTJs who are incredibly patient, and well mannered, and can work with people perfectly fine, contrary to their stereotype.

But yes, I understsand what you mean, and can understand how an xNTP would use Fe whilst working with people. And Fi and Ti can be incredibly similar at times, which makes it hard to seperate the two. Both are inner judging functions, and both anaylze the outside world to a person's inner understanding. I mean, I find myself doing a fair bit of logical analyzing, but I also find myself defining what I think is right/wrong at times. I also find myself using Te and Fe for different things, lol. It's weird how we use all 8 functions, but don't realize it.

Yes, they are :)
 

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Where? Don't just go by the questionnaire. Everyone uses Ti in varying amounts, as they do Si, Fe etc. Just because it isn't in someone's top four stack, it doesn't mean they don't use it.



Fe can actually be quite manipulative. Fe can actually be opposite of 'push-over'. It can actually lead very well when it wants to. I guess it just depends on the health of the person using it, and how much of a pushover they themselves are. A lot of Mafia bosses are actually Fe-Doms. I don't think working with people has much to do with functions, but more to do with tolerance itself, and how mature the person/people they are working with are, as well as themselves. I know of ESTJs who are incredibly patient, and well mannered, and can work with people perfectly fine, contrary to their stereotype.

But yes, I understsand what you mean, and can understand how an xNTP would use Fe whilst working with people. And Fi and Ti can be incredibly similar at times, which makes it hard to seperate the two. Both are inner judging functions, and both anaylze the outside world to a person's inner understanding. I mean, I find myself doing a fair bit of logical analyzing, but I also find myself defining what I think is right/wrong at times. I also find myself using Te and Fe for different things, lol. It's weird how we use all 8 functions, but don't realize it.

Yes, they are :)

Yes, which is why it still isn't obvious what my dominant and tertiary functions are. I only have one highly ranked extroverted function, Ne, so that must be included in the two. Narrows it down to 4 types. I think that my Fi conclusions are arising due to the broad parameters of my Ti and what I use it for, but I could also be wrong and actually be ENFP/INFP. None of those descritions really fit me though... And if that were the case than I'd be pretty opposed to logical reasoning which I feel is definitely not my case.

People have also suggested Ni/Te types, and that I just resist Te due to disgust towards it, but I don't see that as very likely. Just thinking about my prefered functions, it's pretty clear it must be and xNxP type. I was told that INTP's id block functions are Ni and Te, so that would explain my affinity towards those, even if it isn't as blatently obvious in my conscious living, I do consistently use the two for other means. I also don't think I'm as nerdy as people tend to stereotype INTPs, but that could just be people being stupid.
 
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