AGA is an INTP!

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

What is your age? 30s? 40s? Perhaps an easier way to approach your type might be to determine which functions you used to greatest proficiency in your teens and 20s. Someone in their 30s and beyond is more likely to find their usage of other functions leveling out or improving as they approach midlife, particulary if, like yourself, they already have a good working knowledge of the functions and have learned to approach the world from different viewpoints/different ways than in their younger years.

46.

Oh, ya know. I've shared stuff on here. I think I just forced into being a major introvert. So, I suspect I have good introverted functions in all the realms. I was an animal activist type in my childhood. I have always been sensitive. I have always struggled with keeping friends, as a child. Not as an adult. I have the same friends I've had for almost 20 years. I like to keep my besties around; if you were able to become my bestie, why would I ever want to replace you?

I never liked constraints. I literally broke out of daycare on several situations; like a toddler jail-break. lol I'm simple yet I'm complex. I sleep in my clothes. I have an empty refrigerator. Yet I'm complex as well. I'm basically a walking dichotomy. So I just don't know. I identify with lots of type descriptions. I like to be around my loved ones, but not necessarily DOING a lot of shit. I like to chillax. You know? Yet I know how to have a lotta fun. I know the best places to go, the best food to eat, the best lakes to swim in, the best pubs, the best bands, so yeah.

I have little patience for whiny or entitled behavior. When I was a child? I just always remember thinking why did my so-called friends have to be so mean? Why couldn't people just be real and genuine and loving?

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

[MENTION=19700]Starcrash[/MENTION] Yes there is. There can only be One Truth, that supercedes all other truths.

At least that is what monotheism is. I suppose if you don't hold monotheism as a truth, then you would see that there could be many truths.

 

[Occam's Chainsaw]

Why?

I don't think religion is necessarily a bad way to seek truth. In my case, I used to reject all things religious in lieu of scientific truth, but I've come to realize that religion and science can be differing facets of a greater universal truth--they need not exist in conflict. Of course everyone will find their own way of approaching truth, yourself and AGA included, and there isn't necessarily one eternal truth to supersede all other truths.

Religion is a way of finding comfort, not truth. Sure, a deity of sorts is feasibly consistent with science but of the ones humans have anthropomorphised? I think you're being purposely facetious.

 

[uumlau]

One thing to keep in mind is how the mind develops over time. Nardi was testing some adult INFJs a few years after publishing his book, and their EEG readings looked very ISTP (the tertiary and inferior functions). Just as remarkably, a lot of the tasks which brought out the INFJ behavior barely registered on the EEG (all regions inactive). In other words, a possible interpretation of this is that our main type by this age is so ingrained, the thought paths so well-tread that they take no energy. But the paths that are being developed by our continued growth light up the EEG brightly, thus the Ti and Se patterns become evident. They're active and energetic because it's where we're focusing our energy.

Further, I recall having a bit of an argument about something with you a few years ago, and I didn't doubt your INFJ type then. The issues I had trying to communicate ideas with you were the typical INFJ issues I have, where I found your reasoning to be kind of twisty and not entirely logical. INTPs on the other hand, when I have issues discussing things with them, stay entirely logical, and I find I mostly disagree with some of their premises, not their reasoning per se. Your style of argument is nothing like those of INTPs I know.

These observations, plus your latest results essentially being INxx, indicates to me that you're still INFJ, you're just growing into your tertiary and auxiliary functions. I see similar patterns in my life, where matters of the heart, socializing with people, dancing, all these things are far more important to me right now than expanding my technical knowledge and understanding of the world. This doesn't mean that I don't still rely heavily on my INTJ side; I'm just not developing/exploring it.

 

[Coriolis]

Oh, ya know. I've shared stuff on here. I think I just forced into being a major introvert. So, I suspect I have good introverted functions in all the realms. I was an animal activist type in my childhood. I have always been sensitive. I have always struggled with keeping friends, as a child. Not as an adult. I have the same friends I've had for almost 20 years. I like to keep my besties around; if you were able to become my bestie, why would I ever want to replace you?

I never liked constraints. I literally broke out of daycare on several situations; like a toddler jail-break. lol I'm simple yet I'm complex. I sleep in my clothes. I have an empty refrigerator. Yet I'm complex as well. I'm basically a walking dichotomy. So I just don't know. I identify with lots of type descriptions. I like to be around my loved ones, but not necessarily DOING a lot of shit. I like to chillax. You know? Yet I know how to have a lotta fun. I know the best places to go, the best food to eat, the best lakes to swim in, the best pubs, the best bands, so yeah.

I have little patience for whiny or entitled behavior. When I was a child? I just always remember thinking why did my so-called friends have to be so mean? Why couldn't people just be real and genuine and loving?

I know many INTPs, and none of them are well-described by the highlighted. They rely on friends who know the best places to go, etc. and wonder why people can't just be reasonable. I agree with [MENTION=9310]uumlau[/MENTION]'s assessment.

 

[Jaguar]

There can only be One Truth, that supercedes all other truths.

I'm in awe of the open-mindedness.

 

[PeaceBaby]

I read all of your responses, and I appreciate them all. It is interesting to see you all analyze me. Usually incorrectly. I thing Qreus came pretty close. Highlander, I'm surprised you said you don't see much intuition in me, compared to Ti, when we already discussed that was my strongest preference by far.

Anyway, I definitely use my intuition at the cost of my thinking function. I use Ni/Ne and I guess I do use Ti over Fi, though those fall pretty far behind. I think my Ti is catching up now as my lifestyle is very conducive for that right now (whereas I was only developing my Fe and Te for so many years as a homeschooling mom of five).

I don't know. I am always seeking the best way to do something, always seeking the One Truth. That is a main drive of mine. That is Ni. But I also detect patterns and inconsistencies in things. That is Ne. I use Te and Ti perhaps in equal amounts after that, naturally, when I'm not using Fe at work. I think I am some sort of j-ish INTP. Indeed, the MBTI scored me as a 'scheduled' INTP, which hopefully Highlander will post.

There can only be One Truth, that supercedes all other truths.

Oh, ya know. I've shared stuff on here. I think I just forced into being a major introvert. So, I suspect I have good introverted functions in all the realms. I was an animal activist type in my childhood. I have always been sensitive. I have always struggled with keeping friends, as a child. Not as an adult. I have the same friends I've had for almost 20 years. I like to keep my besties around; if you were able to become my bestie, why would I ever want to replace you?

I never liked constraints. I literally broke out of daycare on several situations; like a toddler jail-break. lol I'm simple yet I'm complex. I sleep in my clothes. I have an empty refrigerator. Yet I'm complex as well. I'm basically a walking dichotomy. So I just don't know. I identify with lots of type descriptions. I like to be around my loved ones, but not necessarily DOING a lot of shit. I like to chillax. You know? Yet I know how to have a lotta fun. I know the best places to go, the best food to eat, the best lakes to swim in, the best pubs, the best bands, so yeah.

I have little patience for whiny or entitled behavior. When I was a child? I just always remember thinking why did my so-called friends have to be so mean? Why couldn't people just be real and genuine and loving?

So much of this just screams Ni with Ti serving as a slave to the Ni, I'm not even going to bold it all or go further. According to functional development theory, you should be developing Ti in this period of your life anyway, so no wonder you're identifying strongly with it. You just don't seem to think like an INTP, sure doesn't feel to me like Ti is driving the car. (Not by a longshot.) And as a Ji dom myself, those patterns are well-tread paths for me to recognize.

BUT - I will say, you do vibe somewhat differently than about 75% of the INFJs here on the forum, which is why it's kind of fun to roll with you in this thread and entertain an alternate type. I've attributed this difference in the past to sx dominance. Yet this thread itself continues to confirm INFJ further in my mind.

eta: and what [MENTION=9310]uumlau[/MENTION] said.

eta2: but I would still like to see a video. I want to see if I can see Ne in you.

Ultimately, you are what you believe yourself to be. And if you believe that ...

 

[Nicodemus]

Ultimately, you are what you believe yourself to be.

If only that were true.

 

[Jaguar]

Highlander, I'm surprised you said you don't see much intuition in me, compared to Ti, when we already discussed that was my strongest preference by far.

What people "see" or "don't see" in your posts can tell you more about them than you.
I recall contacting a pal of mine and telling him he had a kick-ass metaphor in his post. How did he respond? "Jag, I didn't put a metaphor in my post. You did."

The same could apply to any of the function-attitudes or even intuition as a whole. Frankly, if someone expects to see another person's intuition, there is something amiss. Besides, there are people in this forum who think losing their car keys or missing an exit on the highway means they're intuitive. Crazy.

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

[MENTION=8936]highlander[/MENTION]

If you getta chance, will you post my results ?

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Religion is a way of finding comfort, not truth. Sure, a deity of sorts is feasibly consistent with science but of the ones humans have anthropomorphised? I think you're being purposely facetious.

I didn't say anything about deities. It's a particularly western misconception that religion and theism are one and the same.

[MENTION=19700]Starcrash[/MENTION] Yes there is. There can only be One Truth, that supercedes all other truths.

At least that is what monotheism is. I suppose if you don't hold monotheism as a truth, then you would see that there could be many truths.

I don't think I made myself very clear.

Yes, there may be one universal truth, but I was trying to articulate my idea that, in the grand scheme of things, all of the clashing "truths" in this world need not be seen as being at odds with one another. All truths stem from a greater truth. I'm not necessarily talking about God, although you're welcome to interpret it that way. There is truth in religion and there is truth in science. There are also falsehoods to be found within both. All of it is ultimately part of the same fabric and ultimately, even one person's falsehood is another's truth.

I think I just confused myself more. It all seemed so clear in my head.

Anyway, I'm not trying to force a belief or philosophy on you or anyone else, and I apologize for taking this thread off topic.

Religion is a way of finding comfort, not truth. Sure, a deity of sorts is feasibly consistent with science but of the ones humans have anthropomorphised? I think you're being purposely facetious.

This is true, but I think religion originated as a way of explaining the unknown, the unseen, and also explaining why the world and its inhabitants exist as they do and do the things they do--why do stars shine, why do people die, why is poop brown, etc. In that sense, I think religion and science have the same basic g

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

@Starcrash

I think I know what you mean. When I was an atheist, I found a common denominator in that there is One Good, even though some of us might be heading there in different ways. That there is one way up, and many different paths to that way.

But that is actually falacious thinking. And I discovered that by crashing and burning. My failure? Loving too much? How can that be?

That can be because even though I intuited truth and love, I did not hold its Creator, God, in esteem, or even consider Him. Because I did not know Him or love Him or even care one whit about Him, I had no real idea what I should do, how I should express my excessive love, or how to really live for the best good.

So there are NOT many paths to righteousness. There is only one, narrow path, and only few who find that path, and few who will follow that path. Many are following wrong paths, thinking they will find heaven. They, sadly, will not. The only way to nirvana or Heaven is through loving God, and seeking to know Him.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

@Starcrash

I think I know what you mean. When I was an atheist, I found a common denominator in that there is One Good, even though some of us might be heading there in different ways. That there is one way up, and many different paths to that way.

But that is actually falacious thinking. And I discovered that by crashing and burning. My failure? Loving too much? How can that be?

That can be because even though I intuited truth and love, I did not hold its Creator, God, in esteem, or even consider Him. Because I did not know Him or love Him or even care one whit about Him, I had no real idea what I should do, how I should express my excessive love, or how to really live for the best good.

So there are NOT many paths to righteousness. There is only one, narrow path, and only few who find that path, and few who will follow that path. Many are following wrong paths, thinking they will find heaven. They, sadly, will not. The only way to nirvana or Heaven is through loving God, and seeking to know Him.

Why must God be a He or She?

I've never been able to grasp that. If there is a god, I don't see how it could be embodied in any form, at least one that mere mortals could see or experience without blowing their minds.

Have you read the writings of Krishnamurti and/or Alan Watts? MAYBE I could accept their version of God or something close. I can't accept the idea of one supreme monarch ruling from the heavens. Might as well worship Zeus. I also agree with Einstein that God does not play dice.

However, I don't want to insult your beliefs. If it works for you and makes you a happier person, then that should be enough for you.

 

[Occam's Chainsaw]

Alan Watts is fantastic. A bit wishy-wash at times but what else would you expect from a career philosopher?!

 

[highlander]

[MENTION=8936]highlander[/MENTION]

If you getta chance, will you post my results ?

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[AphroditeGoneAwry]

After seeing my results again, and living as an INTP for about a week now, there is a real chance I might really be an INFJ......But just a tough minded, critical one who likes to keep things open-ended (P-ish).

The thing that belies that, however, is the phone consultation I had with the specialist. We discussed my preference for T/F and my preference for J/P and it was clear in talking with him that I was more T and more P; to him and to me. And I was going off of childhood memories as well as adult ways of being as much as I could in working out my J/P and T/F.

I guess it's like I have 2 faces. The 2 faces of aphrodite lol. My infj face i reserve for my clients and new people, and my intp face which is more my normal way of being. Hence why I like to get snarky on here, but not as snarky as the TJs. I think the INTP side of me just went dormant while with my ISTP ex because his Ti overruled mine, and it was easier as a mother and midwife to be an infj.

 

[uumlau]

I know plenty of tough-minded INFJs. They tend to gradually become more cynical - and more flexible - as they get older.

It's really funny. An INFJ dance friend and I almost always end up deciding to "wing it", deciding whether to dance at the last minute based on circumstance. An ENFP dance friend of mine was bragging about how she has all of her time scheduled so she can maximize her fun.

Younger INFJs in my experience aren't so flexible and can seem a bit stuck up. Younger ENFPs in my experience only stick to schedules that they have to stick to (to keep a job, for example), and even then they resent them.

There is an overall ironic truth, here. Those who are naturally particular (J) eventually learn that they are more likely to get something close to what they want if they're more flexible. Those who are naturally more flexible eventually learn that they are more able to enjoy their flexibility if they add structure to their lives.

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

I see what you mean.

Perhaps as we get older, we really just become Dom/Aux xx?

 

[highlander]

I have thought about it some more and to the extent it is helpful, I feel relatively certain that you prefer Ti over Te and Fe over Fi. Understanding if you prefer Ne or Ni would seem to be an essential thing in coming to an answer.

 

[Bush]

[MENTION=6336]AphroditeGoneAwry[/MENTION]: Did your consultant talk about type in terms of cognitive functions? Were functions part of the discussion at all?

For good or for bad, forums probably rely on them in their definitions of the type much more than consultants do; and so I wouldn't be surprised at any mismatch between the consultant's perception and the forum's.