Unclear personality type, thoughts? (Rather Long, sorry).

[Gladius]

[MENTION=22833]Legion[/MENTION]
Perhaps not, but then it's arguable that if you don't fit a professional description of the type you're typed as, then you are most likely not that type.

 

[Ida]

I definitely see a lot of Fi in your descriptions, so I would start with guessing xxFP. I know you say your Se is low and that you don't enjoy doing things with your hands, but I haven't seen much evidence of Ne either. You seem very grounded and practical, so while there's no reason to doubt xnfp, I'd also take a look at xsfp. Don't over think the functions too much in this - just try it on to see if it fits.

Second, I wouldn't etch the introverted part in stone. It sounds like you don't really relate to your peers (which could be for any number of reasons unrelated to personality type). But I don't know how you would act in a situation where you felt comfortable around people. I would suggest going through the extroverted versions as well. So, enfp, info, esfp, isfp. See how those fit.

 

[Pionart]

[MENTION=22833]Legion[/MENTION]
Perhaps not, but then it's arguable that if you don't fit a professional description of the type you're typed as, then you are most likely not that type.

Yeah but there are only 16 types and bilions of people. You're not going to be able to box everyone in too easily.

Mind you, I just read an ISTJ description and I did relate quit well to various parts of it, like a focus on honesty and integrity.

 

[highlander]

[MENTION=8936]highlander[/MENTION] , who's the author of this topic: http://www.typologycentral.com/foru...gnitive-function-analysis-simulatedworld.html has made some interesting statements about the INFP personality type.

I'd like to discuss the following points:

Once home, I'll check more about the profile of Highlander, but especially [MENTION=14179]SolitaryWalker[/MENTION] aswell.
For if this is a developed Si, I'd understand why I came to believe I was a sensing type, and so why others' have typed me as one. But one thing has to be stated: Assuming this and more is all Si (Memorizing the Data of the events and after memorizing it by seeing how others' have done, then being capable of fine-justing it to how I want to be / do the exact same, e.g. when it comes to moderating different kind of people in online communities) then I may have overestimated by Te side. While it isn't weak, it isn't strong either. That's what I believe, for now at least. But as said before, I'll check into that more later.

[MENTION=5510]simulatedworld[/MENTION] was the author.

 

[OrangeAppled]

[MENTION=6561]OrangeAppled[/MENTION]
Interesting opinion. When I get home I will check up on the ISFJ personality more closely, but for now I've something else to say:

Although you suggested me to let go of the Fe-Fi stereotypes, I feel more prone to Fi-Te than Fe-Ti.
Assuming I've Fe, it means that I've Ti. But Ti style of thinking doesn't sound like me, nor does the Fe style of feeling sound like me.
An ISFJ is different from an ESFJ however, but they still have the 4 same cognitive functions, just in slightly different order.
Although my typing isn't the best, I'm inclined to believe my mother is an ESFJ for various reasons, one would be her generousity that always clash with my beliefs. It kind of feels like I'm the stingy, self-absorbed person who wants to be given, whereas she's the generous, selfless person who wants to give and can't understand why people wouldn't appreaciate her concerns. And since ISFJ and ESFJ both share the same functional stack just in slightly different order, yet I feel like the complete opposite of her, it makes me highly doubt being an ISFJ.

Therefore I've doubted both Ti and Fe possiblities.

This is an often used method of understanding type, and IMO, it is totally wrong. No types "have" the same functions. Your dominant function is your ego and the other functions exist in relation to it - these are mental attitudes in your psychology. In reality, we all use many forms of thought processes that do not all neatly fall under 8 categories. Your type is the prevalent attitude in your psychology that affects your visible personality.

An ISFJ wouldn't relate heavily to Ti style thinking... But I'd see a lot of INFPs who do, because it's Introverted Judging, and they are grouped by Jung for a reason. They have a similar attitude, even if they prefer a different way of reasoning. If you relate to ISTJs but feel you prefer Feeling (value motivated) over Thinking (impersonal classification), then ISFJ makes the most sense. "Value systems" are not the sole domain of INFPs or even Feeling types, and honestly, IxFPs rarely experience it as a "system" (although I may use that term in the context of typology discussions, I would never describe myself as having a "value system"; to me, that phrase sounds like Je mentality).

MBTI is a "best fit" system, as no description will fully and accurately capture you as an individual. The key is to look past details (which serve to illustrate) and see an overall, basic mentality each type is trying to capture.

Everyone keeps noting how "Si heavy" you come across, and yet, an INFP's ego has Si pretty far down the totem pole, so to speak. Why not consider being a Si-dominant type? IMO, finding your dominant and then considering the auxiliary is a far more accurate way of typing, because looking at whole function stacks is misleading as to how type works and how functions will appear/be experienced in relation to one's ego.

Don't look at whole ISFJ profiles, which have a strong bias towards American Women in them (male ISFJs may not have the "hostess, caretaker" flavor of Fe they often give in ISFJ profiles. Try reading Jung's & Van Der Hoop's descriptions of the Introverted Sensing Type and other profiles which talk about Si-doms. Lenore Thompson's book is pretty good to use in this way, as she discusses type by the dominant function, and then breaks them down further by auxiliary.

Also consider if you are a dominant Pi (introverted perceiving) or Ji (introverted rational aka "judging") type. The mentalities of these are very different. Pi types use Je and Ji types use Pe, and so all IxxJs and all IxxPs, regardless of function, respectively share an "attitude". This is because their mentality is structured similarly even if they use different functions. Without grasping this, people come to many erroneous conclusions about type, as they tend to oversimplify "use of functions" & use that as indicators of type.

IMO, if you relate more to an ISTJ than ISFP, then you're probably an ISFJ, not INFP. It doesn't matter if ISTJs and INFPs "have the same functions" - because really, they have very different "roles" in relation to their ego, and this results in a very different mentality. The ISTJ has an "Pi+Je" mentality. Whereas INFPs and ISFPs share the same function preference for the ego, and they both have a Ji+Pe mentality, even if their perceiving preferences are not exactly the same.

EDIT: Carer to explain further why you've ruled out ISTJ...?

 

[Gladius]

Thanks for the latest comments.
[MENTION=6561]OrangeAppled[/MENTION]

I know I come over as Si heavy although it's the tertiary function of an INFP. That's why I found reassurance in the "INFP's who have (strongly) developed their SI" script. Then again, it's arguable that Fi comes in the tertiary stack of the ISTJ. Checking the cognitive tests I shared at question 0, it's no doubt that Fi, Si, Te comes in that strength of order. Unless I of course, accidently made myself appear better (How I want to be) than how I truely am. But assuming that isn't the case, Fi, Si, Te comes in that strength of order. Young as I am, I'd assume that I've mainly developed my dominant function thus far in life, or normally should have. And since the Fi has always been scored high, even highest I'd assume it's my most developed function. Then the issue is that Si is my auxillary, not Ne (which should be my Auxillary if I'm an INFP). I'd highly believe this is Ne "Whenever I'm onto something I see lots of different possibilities. At times, I can be so sure that one is the correct solution / path / ... for some time until I'm sudden struck by a feeling that tells me "What if it isn't the right...?" and I start to consider the possibilities having an ever lower percentage of happening, leading me to uncertainty what decision to make." > Or something along this Ne was described for INTP's and INFP's when I read it once, and it applied good enough to me that I managed to memorize it... somewhat. (I've difficulties remembering quotes, statements etc. In fact I only remember things I don't need to remember at the given time.) Truth to be told, I don't understand Ne and Ni that well, therefore having Si this strong would make me believe I'm a Sensor type. But then the issue lies that for me to be a Sensor type with Introverted Feeling as Dominant, My auxillary would be Extroverted Sensing which I'm confident it's not. That's why I ruled out the possibilities of Being a Sensor, since it'd give me Extroverted Sensing rather than Introverted Sensing (Except for well, ISTJ which I'll come to later). I also have difficulties when it comes to assertiveness and applying "cold logic" to critisize someone, except when I get angry.


ISTJ; There were a couple of reasons as to why I ruled out that possibility.
In a nutshell They're defined as: (From my own subjective experience, of course)

- Practically reliable, can always find a solution. (I can find solutions in theory, but realizing it is different. Therefore I'm mainly an "idea" man).
- Organized, known for their neatness. (I find it exhausting having to organize my stuff)
- Always by the book, having issues breaking / bending rules (?) (I believe in situational ethics, therefore breaking a rule if the situation calls for it is of no issues to me. But it has to be stated that I usually never break a rule unless the the situation calls for it.)
- Overworking, rarely taking time to relax, can even have issues saying no when being asked to take others' share of work. (I'm Underworking, relaxed, can have issues saying yes to a work).
- Dresstyle, From different sources I've read that ISTJ's are known for taking the "Suit" atmosphere with them wherever they go. (Whereas I'm simply putting the most comfortable on and have a weak sensation to what colours fits to combine etc).
- Known for their honesty and directness. (I value honesty, but I'm not especially assertive when it comes to using "cold logic" as in critizising someone. I'd like to be more assertive in this area, but in truth I'm not and when I do apply the "cold logic" to tell someone something I disagree with, I may come to critizise my own behaviour afterwards as to why I did what I did.)
- When taking a lot of tests backwards, I appear as an ESTJ

Thoughts?

 

[Gladius]

I definitely see a lot of Fi in your descriptions, so I would start with guessing xxFP. I know you say your Se is low and that you don't enjoy doing things with your hands, but I haven't seen much evidence of Ne either. You seem very grounded and practical, so while there's no reason to doubt xnfp, I'd also take a look at xsfp. Don't over think the functions too much in this - just try it on to see if it fits.

Second, I wouldn't etch the introverted part in stone. It sounds like you don't really relate to your peers (which could be for any number of reasons unrelated to personality type). But I don't know how you would act in a situation where you felt comfortable around people. I would suggest going through the extroverted versions as well. So, enfp, info, esfp, isfp. See how those fit.

[MENTION=23434]Ida[/MENTION]
Thanks for your opinion.

About the Introversion, believe I'm more fit in that category due to socializing only comes to me with effort. I do not mind being alone and answers "yeah". "Ok. "Yeah" whenever someone goes on and on about things I do not find necessary to hear. I'm also only doing Work-home, work-home routine. I'm never out socializing with people (inclusive friends) for I'd rather play a video game or something than doing that. I usually score 100% on the E-I tests, and I'd kind of say I'm a Double Introvert due to being an Introverted Introvert (Unless of course, the introversion in MBTI is unrelated to Introversion in general, but refers primairly to the cognitive functions).

Also, I've checked on some ISFP, ESFP, ENFP descriptions, but due to lack of Ne (?) & Se I do not think it fits me very well. I'll have to check up on Ne better to see how it's defined.

 

[Pionart]

ISTJ; There were a couple of reasons as to why I ruled out that possibility.
In a nutshell They're defined as: (From my own subjective experience, of course)

- Practically reliable, can always find a solution. (I can find solutions in theory, but realizing it is different. Therefore I'm mainly an "idea" man). I'm not sure what "always find a solution" means exactly. I also focus a lot on ideas.
- Organized, known for their neatness. (I find it exhausting having to organize my stuff) I would say I'm organised somewhat, but I'm not particularly neat. I just don't make much mess.
- Always by the book, having issues breaking / bending rules (?) (I believe in situational ethics, therefore breaking a rule if the situation calls for it is of no issues to me. But it has to be stated that I usually never break a rule unless the the situation calls for it.)I see no reason against breaking a rule. If a rule doesn't make sense to me, I'll probably break it as much as I feel I can get away with.
- Overworking, rarely taking time to relax, can even have issues saying no when being asked to take others' share of work. (I'm Underworking, relaxed, can have issues saying yes to a work). I don't overwork at all. I'm quite lazy, always relaxing, even during an exam
- Dresstyle, From different sources I've read that ISTJ's are known for taking the "Suit" atmosphere with them wherever they go. (Whereas I'm simply putting the most comfortable on and have a weak sensation to what colours fits to combine etc). I don't wear suits :s I usually go for comfort, genearlly anything black. Sometimes a nice button up shirt.
- Known for their honesty and directness. (I value honesty, but I'm not especially assertive when it comes to using "cold logic" as in critizising someone. I'd like to be more assertive in this area, but in truth I'm not and when I do apply the "cold logic" to tell someone something I disagree with, I may come to critizise my own behaviour afterwards as to why I did what I did.)I'm very honest, but not too direct and I don't like to be critical, and I'm certainly not assertive. I would probably also criticise my behaviour. I don't like to be a hypocrite and I can usually see where the fault could lie with myself.
- When taking a lot of tests backwards, I appear as an ESTJ It's been different lately, perhaps due to the fact that I know what I "should" be answering as, but I generally score INxP, so backwards would be ESxJ

Thoughts?

These are my thoughts on how each point does (or rather doesn't) relate to myself.

Again, don't worry about fitting to a description. Rather, collect information from a variety of sources describing each function, to get a better understanding of Si and Fi (and the other functions).

Also, as has been mentioned, try and look for whether you are perception dominant or judgement dominant. When I first analysed my type beyond test scores, I was able to tell that I was IxxJ, though I had no idea which functions I had at the top. In fact, my terrible understanding led me to believe I was INFJ (y'know, intelligent and a nice person, must be N and F. Somehow I could relate to Ni and somewhat Fe back then, now I know Ni is something different, and I don't relate AT ALL to Fe).

 

[Gladius]

[MENTION=22833]Legion[/MENTION]

Thanks for your opinion once again.
Any new thoughts?

 

[Alea_iacta_est]

Are you the type of person who filters reality based on feelings that can't be separated from your own conscious state?

For instance,

I like this.
I dislike this.
I enjoy this.
I detest this.
I love this.
I abhor this.

Or are you more the person who treats feelings and emotions as something that can be separate from the conscious state or independent from the self?

This is fun.
This is cheerful.
This is depressing.
This is boisterous.
This is sad.
This is happy.
This is enjoyable.

Of course, we will all use a mixture of these phrases in day-to-day life, but the mode from which it is filtered is still the one in charge. For instance, the first type listed above can say "This is fun", but what is actually happening in their conscious mind is still "I think this is fun", in that mode, the feeling isn't separated from the self, it doesn't exist in the environment like the latter mode perceives.

 

[Gladius]

[MENTION=20385]Alea_iacta_est[/MENTION]

Assuming I interpreted you correctly, I'd pick the first.
I'm more the type who's "I like this, but I don't like that" - But on the same time I from time to time try to understand the feelings aswell, as in "This is ..." "That is ..."
But my default mode is definently the first.

 

[Alea_iacta_est]

[MENTION=20385]Alea_iacta_est[/MENTION]

Assuming I interpreted you correctly, I'd pick the first.
I'm more the type who's "I like this, but I don't like that" - But on the same time I from time to time try to understand the feelings aswell, as in "This is ..." "That is ..."
But my default mode is definently the first.

The act of treating emotions and feelings as something that cannot be separate from the self is according to Socionics. Trying to understand the feelings is the action of the Introverted Rational part of the element, you are first perceiving the static qualities of a situations Ne: probably) and your internal reactions to them, and then you attempt to make sense of your own reactions to adequately build an ethical model of like-dislike, good-evil, etc.

types instead treat emotions and feelings as independent from the self. A situation can be happy (not from internal projection but from its own intrinsic actions) by itself. A situation can be cheerful and pleasant in the same way that a wheel is something that is round or in the same way a dog is a mammal.

types generally try to categorize things according to their own reactions to them so that they can be applied to reality.
types generally try to influence situations to transform environments from one state to another in a gradual pace.

 

[Gladius]

The act of treating emotions and feelings as something that cannot be separate from the self is according to Socionics. Trying to understand the feelings is the action of the Introverted Rational part of the element, you are first perceiving the static qualities of a situations ( probably) and your internal reactions to them, and then you attempt to make sense of your own reactions to adequately build an ethical model of like-dislike, good-evil, etc.

Definently.

 

[Gladius]

Any new thoughts on this? I've been given quite a lot of different opinions, all with their own good reasons as to why it's best fit.
But I've yet to decide on my type, hm...

 

[Hitoshi-San]

I think you're an INFP. General descriptions are exactly what their name suggests them to be - general - so you can't always see every single INFP's traits in a general description. Some are confident, some aren't. Some have a more logical standpoint, others take an idealistic approach. You mentioned Te, and Te tends to have this logical feel to it, it doesn't consider things that wouldn't "work out".

This isn't true in all cases, but from experience I've noticed feelers can be good with more artistic subjects, like language arts or history. My brother is an INFP and he really values knowledge and can cram a lot of information into his head, so that's not a trait limited to NTs.

 

[Alomoes]

Sup. 5w6 INFP here. I really have nothing more to say, other than yes.

And yeah, my Se is low. The only reasons I do things with my body are as follows:

1. Learn a skill.
2. Follow instructions. Something I do not like.
3. Explain a thought to someone else.
4. Emotions making me want to do something. I half ignore these. Sometimes I'll skip lunch, sometimes I'll binge eat, sometimes I'll be normal.
5. To pass time. This includes what I do for fun, video games.

Most often, I'll try and make these things all overlap. But ALL of these things are to appease my emotions. Probably sound like INTP here.

 

[Gladius]

[MENTION=22071]lil_Red[/MENTION] [MENTION=23551]Alomoes[/MENTION]

Thanks for replying!

 

[Alomoes]

You are welcome.

 

[Hitoshi-San]

You're welcome

 

[agspath]

THIS IS SOLELY BASED OFF YOUR DESCRIPTION.

I …dislike the general Science, such as Physics, Chemistry and Math. Let’s compare Physics, Chemistry and Math for a second with a car. When you press the pedal, what happens? What I want to know is the following: It moves. What Physics, Chemistry, Math and the likings what to know is why it moves. What is it connected to? I don't care about that, I want the facts why it moves, not the reasons why it moves which are on a more deeper level. Therefore, hard-science is clearly a weakness of mine. But, I'm not uncapable of doing it. In fact although I judge it as a weakness of mine, I usually score a B in Math. It's just that I prefer doing it by a step-by-step method[/B] such as Step 1: do X, Step 2: Do Y.

This entire paragraph screams Te. You want to seek practical knowledge versus theoretical knowledge. Step by step method? Te.

I'm very self-absorbed, in fact I at times consider myself the midpoint of the world.
I've strong values that I hold onto, some related to my faith while others' come elsewhere.

Fi user.

I do not like conflicts, especially physical conflicts. But although I said I don't like conflicts, I'm very good at arguing if it comes down to it and may even verbally find the critical spots.

This shows you are an Si user. Se users generally don’t mind getting into a physical fight and take risks. Also, the fact that you’re good at arguing verbally may be an indication of Te.

If I hear something like "Hey, do you know XXXX did that and that... How could he?" I personally don't care. I may find it curious to discover more about it if it interested me, but I personally don't care at all as long as it has nothing to do with me. Another example would be that if someone does something, and people asks "Why are you playing that... why are you eating / drinking that....?" I don't care, in fact I try to figure out why those people feel the need to critisize someone elses behaviour to begin with when it has nothing to do with them at all.
One could also say that I'm “Social Rebelling” by not dressing appropriate. Excluding the weekend parties with alcohole etc (I never visit them, and I never will) but instead the more "School christmas parties" - Everyone dress up greatly and I just come like it wouldn't be anything remarkable with such a day.

Fi. You hate the fact that people are trying to box you in with their ridiculous social customs. You have an “us vs them” attitude and values people as individuals first and social groups later.

So far your functions are: Fi Te Si Ne. This means you’re either INFP,ENFP, ISTJ, or ESTJ

Your Ne (curiosity, how did I get from giraffes to rocks?) is what is making you indecisive. You believe that it is this curiosity that may make you an INTP. Trust me, it doesn’t. Both INTP and INFP share the Si/Ne axis. Both are extremely curious . Ne adds to your uncertainty by saying “Maybe you're missing something…are you sure you are an INFP?”

I did a quick scan and you seem to talk about your values a lot, you also seem unsocial, but not excessively so. I’d say you are and INFP or and ISTJ.

Sticking to the religion you were born in is something SJs tend to do. NFs tend to explore other religions before committing to one. TJs tend to not care what others think of them.

I’d say you’re an ISTJ.