Vetani's Video

[Kierva]

Now I am at ISTJ for you.

E-type?

What makes you think ISTJ?

Yes, [MENTION=17131]Chanaynay[/MENTION], he used your questions! That's what you get for being so flaky.

That's too bad.

 

[Nicodemus]

E-type?

6w7, I suppose. Not easy to say.

Edit: I just noticed that I seem to agree with Elfboy here. Then it must be so.

What makes you think ISTJ?

My general impression of you. I could try to find concrete evidence for it if you want to read some.

 

[Kierva]

6w7, I suppose. Not easy to say.


My general impression of you. I could try to find concrete evidence for it if you want to read some.

Yes, please.

 

[Serendipity]

I'm not tagged; I did watch your video;

I also read ISTJ.

This being on the only instance of how you reacted to a question you could not answer, as well as the compare question ending is bare-bone, as well as the general "I'll give you my facts" straight on. Perhaps something of a Strong Si, which can explain your clumsiness if you want an explanation for it.

Personally, I don't believe I can type you on such a short run, nor that anyone else can - I still gave it a go.

It was a question of Three personal objects - With three explanations to why those were of sentimental value.

Wish I had the transcript; I'd like to translate it, for personal use.

Now, I put this in spoiler, so that if you did not want my opinion, you won't have to read it.

EDIT: E-type

 

[johnnyyukon]

Ok I suck at this MBTI stuff, but I've been summoned so I'll oblige. Take it with a grain of salt. I also don't know you that well.

My end result is more than the video, also a feeling I get from your personality.

Video
Wish you can say whatever you want, but can't or don't? I

S or N. Not sure, I'm leaning towards S

You strike me as more F, in general. Caring, sympathetic. Maybe I made that up, just going on gut instinct.

Not good at new strategies: J You seem organized and structured, this is mostly a sense I get. Perhaps your excellent grooming, haha (this is the one that I've never fully understood, but seems like it has a lot to do with spontaneity vs. planned play + work vs. work before play)

ISFJ
or
INFJ

 

[Kierva]

I also read ISTJ.

Interesting.

This being on the only instance of how you reacted to a question you could not answer, as well as the compare question ending is bare-bone, as well as the general "I'll give you my facts" straight on. Perhaps something of a Strong Si, which can explain your clumsiness if you want an explanation for it.

Clumsiness could be an indication of weak Se and preference for Ni?

Personally, I don't believe I can type you on such a short run, nor that anyone else can - I still gave it a go.

Thank you. I made the video very short because everyone on the web has ADHD, and I doubt they can pay attention to just a single object for 15 minutes. I also don't like talking about myself.

It was a question of Three personal objects - With three explanations to why those were of sentimental value.

I'm not really attached to anything I own. I'm more attached to my visions and goals.

Wish I had the transcript; I'd like to translate it, for personal use.

Lol, there's no transcript. I just said whatever's on my mind.

Ok I suck at this MBTI stuff, but I've been summoned so I'll oblige. Take it with a grain of salt. I also don't know you that well.

My end result is more than the video, also a feeling I get from your personality.

Video
Wish you can say whatever you want, but can't or don't? I

S or N. Not sure, I'm leaning towards S

You strike me as more F, in general. Caring, sympathetic. Maybe I made that up, just going on gut instinct.

Not good at new strategies: J You seem organized and structured, this is mostly a sense I get. Perhaps your excellent grooming, haha (this is the one that I've never fully understood, but seems like it has a lot to do with spontaneity vs. planned play + work vs. work before play)

ISFJ
or
INFJ

Thank you. My excellent grooming? That's pretty much my usual uniform.

 

[HongDou]

Yeah, you seem very nervous in the video but given how you told me you interacted with people IRL I'm taking that into consideration too.

That said, if you ARE sx/so then I'd say E6 like before. Like [MENTION=10082]Starry[/MENTION] said, 3s can be quite honest about who they are - they're just very good at emphasizing the good parts. You're more guarded/private and stuff.

All I got from the video was xxTx really. Stupid ambiverted people confusing me. I think ST more than NT though, but like senza said you don't seem to value Ne at all. So I'd say you value Se/Ni over Ne/Si. So that would mean STP. ISTP or eSTP sounds good to me. I think the IP temperament in general makes more sense for you. Not sure about 6w5 or 6w7 like [MENTION=5684]Elfboy[/MENTION], but I'd say 6w5 just because you seem less scattered and positive.

I'm not sure about instinctual variants.

Sorry my response is so lame, but it's not like what type you are matters to me anyway.

Also [MENTION=10082]Starry[/MENTION] said ENFJ 3w4 a while ago I thought...I'd be interested in hearing her thoughts after this video and if she has a different idea I'm interested if her magical way with words can persuade me otherwise.

Yes, [MENTION=17131]Chanaynay[/MENTION], he used your questions! That's what you get for being so flaky.

I should really get to answering those...

 

[Hive]

[MENTION=11928]Vetani[/MENTION]

My impression: ISFJ 6.

But that's more of a "vibe" I got from your manners, tone of voice, etc. It's a difficult video to analyse because you don't reveal the reasons behind your choices. The only thing I can gather is what [MENTION=13147]senza tema[/MENTION] already mentioned - intuition most likely lower in the stack. You seemed uninterested in exploring the possibilities of the questions. I had to pause your video because I began thinking about the questions myself, particularly the one about killing two strangers to save a loved one. In my mind I covered what targets I would choose and how to kill them, or if they where chosen for me which methods I would use to kill them (from a remote position with a sniper or car bomb), under which circumstances I would be able to stab two strangers to death if I was required to kill with a knife, if I had to worry about the police and disposing the bodies, maybe it would be safer if I hired a contract killer to cover up my involvement in these killings as much as possible, or will Nico make sure I won't have trouble with the law as long as he gets his sacrifices, etc.

I'd say make another video and disclose your thought processess when you answer each question. That would yield more accurate results, I think.

 

[Kierva]

New Video

New Questionnaire

1. How did you get into typology? What interested you about psychology?

2. Do you work/go to college? How are/were you at college/work? What do you do? What did you do? Do you enjoy what you are doing? What would you like to do instead? (If unemployed, just describe what you'd like to do.)

3. How are you at home? What are your hobbies? What are your interests?

4. How are you with family? How are you with friends? How are you with relationships?

5. What are you good at in life? What are you bad at in life? What brings admiration and criticism from others? What brings admiration/criticism from yourself?

6. Describe your ideal place/setting/world. Describe its atmosphere and surroundings, its inhabitants, the conversations or lack thereof, the philosophy of this ideal environment.

7. Describe a bad place/situation where you feel hopeless, inferior and insecure. What would be causing these insecurities? (SKIP if too personal)

 

[Kierva]

bump

 

[Serendipity]

Well, y'know... You have a preference.

Besides; I'm not particularly clumsy: I decide to let go of myself and myself handles all the hard work. I could never do what myself can.
Not in a million years.

 

[Nicodemus]

New Video

New Questionnaire

1. How did you get into typology? What interested you about psychology?

2. Do you work/go to college? How are/were you at college/work? What do you do? What did you do? Do you enjoy what you are doing? What would you like to do instead? (If unemployed, just describe what you'd like to do.)

3. How are you at home? What are your hobbies? What are your interests?

4. How are you with family? How are you with friends? How are you with relationships?

5. What are you good at in life? What are you bad at in life? What brings admiration and criticism from others? What brings admiration/criticism from yourself?

6. Describe your ideal place/setting/world. Describe its atmosphere and surroundings, its inhabitants, the conversations or lack thereof, the philosophy of this ideal environment.

7. Describe a bad place/situation where you feel hopeless, inferior and insecure. What would be causing these insecurities? (SKIP if too personal)

I say ISTJ again, ISFJ being another possibility.

I hate having to come up with tangible evidence for my typings. You will have to wait until I am in the right mood. But I will mention four observations right away:

1. You do the [MENTION=4883]Cimarron[/MENTION] smacking before you begin expressing a thought.
2. When I heard the last question, I thought: "How am I supposed to come up with an entire world on the spot? I will have to borrow the Shire from Tolkien and make adjustments or something." Then you came and said: "A house and a car."
3. You seem to be more at ease with recounting particulars than with summing up an experience as a whole.

The first point probably incidates nothing, but it might have something to do with being a J. The second one is possible evidence for Sness.

4. You have a charming smile.

 

[Kierva]

1. You do the [MENTION=4883]Cimarron[/MENTION] smacking before you begin expressing a thought.

I did not realize it until today, and I was told by [MENTION=15349]SilverRvn[/MENTION] that it's obnoxious.

2. When I heard the last question, I thought: "How am I supposed to come up with an entire world on the spot? I will have to borrow the Shire from Tolkien and make adjustments or something." Then you came and said: "A house and a car."

I've always imagined myself living a peaceful life in the suburbs; I'm tired of city life.

3. You seem to be more at ease with recounting particulars than with summing up an experience as a whole.

Only because I have a terrible memory, and that I can only remember the highlights.

The first point probably incidates nothing, but it might have something to do with being a J. The second one is possible evidence for Sness.

Taking that into consideration.

4. You have a charming smile.

Aren't ISTJs horrible at smiling?

 

[Serendipity]

Well, y'know... You have a preference.

Besides; I'm not particularly clumsy: I decide to let go of myself and myself handles all the hard work. I could never do what myself can.
Not in a million years.

I did not realize it until today, and I was told by [MENTION=15349]SilverRvn[/MENTION] that it's obnoxious.


I've always imagined myself living a peaceful life in the suburbs; I'm tired of city life.
So what is a peaceful life in the suburbs? How is it like? Where do you go on a peaceful day? How does life feel when it is peaceful? How do you explain the difference between the suburbs and the city? What is the change in you? Can you pinpoint how you came to this idea? What initially set you on the course of leaving the city? Are there planetary rainbows instead of a sun, creating a very specific and strange environment for you to live in? Basically causing the rainbows to illuminate the world and as such, the entire fauna and flora is far beyond the imagination to even explain?

On topic but out of your topic:

I'd like to try that. There's this world, it is entirely white. Everything on it is white. All that grows and/or moves. Only different shades of whiteness, as if there's a strange kind of shadow that darkens white so that it isn't entirely white but the shadow cannot be mistaken for mixing black. It took us many years to figure this out, we've always assumed that for some reason, we all carried seven colours natively and that some of us were more red/blue/green etc because of the way we moved in the world. Now that we have machines to look at the world, we're suddenly white. It goes to say, because we tried different lenses and these lenses, where they green or blue or red, only captured part of the bodies shown. The rest was a sort of void, inexplicably missing. When we tried with a white lens, all could be seen. I'm getting ahead of myself. I'd have to tell you about the machines. They are born out of thought from specific bodyparts. If, say, a blob decides it needs know something, it forms a leg and a foot. If those two bodily limbs does touch something, a thought is formed within these limbs and the blob, in turn, receives this thought and reflects it back again with "creative-power" that in turn produces what the leg and the foot thought about. And so evolution continues. (this is strangely similar to something I have in my head about the understanding of the world, I'm not ready to disclose this) Which is the reason, we have four heads, three feet and one leg. There's of course others out there that keep on evolutionizing the idea and so, spread from universe to universe as a gigantic blob. We've added a rule to our species, as to not allow less than 85% ghost materia in of ourselves, as to not overpopulate worlds we encounter in this way. I'd like to head back to where we begun, yes; I have no idea what I am doing. If I'd explain how my world would be, it wouldn't be like this. fun fact.

This is the function of Ii , there's of course Ie as well: Imagination introvertive/extravertive.
I feel that we might need it someday. Cannot be translated into Intuition, because that's something completely different. That would be an underlying function as to how the Ii/Ie function processes information. I'd like my type to be INIFJ. I think this would help with the typing.
Which in this case would state: Introverted Intuition, Introverted Imagination, Extraverted Feeling and Introverted Thinking. Perhaps I'd even like to place the Introverted Imagination as a subtype for each function, that is to say: depending on how the imaginative world of someone reacts/acts, it will attach itself to the different functions.
On a more serious note however, there was this experiment with a college somewhere in the US, where they tried typing and they did find a fifth function not described here. I wonder what it was. I'm going to look into it and share it with you.

Only because I have a terrible memory, and that I can only remember the highlights.


Taking that into consideration.


Aren't ISTJs horrible at smiling?

I don't know if you see it yourself but take it from someone else who has been in the same business; You are pushing your sales and you aren't good at it.
I'm not saying you aren't whom you suppose you are, all I am saying is that one-liners that doesn't address the underlying issues won't have an effect on anyone but yourself.

OOT:

EDIT: Now that I happen about it, I begin to suspect that Imagination is really a function and one that we should look into. I can't tell you how or why, all I know is that it is important for this whole thing to work.
EDIT2: I can see some of the reasons I might think so, but those aren't true. That would only mean strangeness and make no sense. No, there's that thing.

I'd venture that functions aren't something that are in themselves possible to think, they are experienced and as such, it would be a strange notion to put words on them. I know what I touch on the basis of myself but placing a word on it would be almost sacrilege. It'd take away all that I establish by experiencing.

And I do agree, in a "Thinking" world, vs a "Feeling" world, Aha, okay, so that would be the functions then. But there's still another, there is still another.



What of the force that is bent by the tools we consider functions?

Can I only shift it in so many lenses?

No, there's still another lens out there. Perhaps even a mirror.

Imagination can be strong within us, whether we are a sensing-crowd or intuitive-crowd. And as such, I imagine it'd be what I might be looking for. Creativity and Imagination I once thought was very much the same thing, I realize now that it isn't; actually Wind-up Rex showed me it isn't. I believe imagination is something that ought to be present as a Function of its own. Merely because it encompasses a whole world of perception we either train to aquire a certain degree within or we don't.

Can you imagination2x (imagine imagination) as anything but a singular function?

Haha, I think my English lacks, I'm grammatically incorrect here and there. I just can't point out where exactly.

EDIT2: So according to some things I read, I realize that I could very much think about N. I do come to question however, that I can experience a different kind of N than what I described. This is so frustrating, I know what I mean but I cannot explain what or why.

 

[Nicodemus]

A wind of Kalach just brushed my cheek.

[MENTION=10082]Starry[/MENTION], come here and do your thing. Vetani needs feedback.

 

[Starry]

Yeah, you seem very nervous in the video but given how you told me you interacted with people IRL I'm taking that into consideration too.

That said, if you ARE sx/so then I'd say E6 like before. Like [MENTION=10082]Starry[/MENTION] said, 3s can be quite honest about who they are - they're just very good at emphasizing the good parts. You're more guarded/private and stuff.

All I got from the video was xxTx really. Stupid ambiverted people confusing me. I think ST more than NT though, but like senza said you don't seem to value Ne at all. So I'd say you value Se/Ni over Ne/Si. So that would mean STP. ISTP or eSTP sounds good to me. I think the IP temperament in general makes more sense for you. Not sure about 6w5 or 6w7 like [MENTION=5684]Elfboy[/MENTION], but I'd say 6w5 just because you seem less scattered and positive.

I'm not sure about instinctual variants.

Sorry my response is so lame, but it's not like what type you are matters to me anyway.

Also [MENTION=10082]Starry[/MENTION] said ENFJ 3w4 a while ago I thought...I'd be interested in hearing her thoughts after this video and if she has a different idea I'm interested if her magical way with words can persuade me otherwise.

A wind of Kalach just brushed my cheek.

[MENTION=10082]Starry[/MENTION], come here and do your thing. Vetani needs feedback.

Holy damn this is a hard one.

When I said ENFJ 3w4... I was going-off of a paragraph or two of information that Vetani provided me (Vetani whatever your type is I really like your vibe)... and in spite of the fact those paragraphs hit on some things that I would consider distinctly ENFJ...or at the very least make ENFJ a strong possibility... I didn't expect to feel the same way after actually watching one of Vetani's videos. In other words, I think ISTJ and ISFJ are strong contenders here and if you buy into the "population breakdowns" far more likely...but I haven't been able to rule-out ENFJ yet either.

It's interesting [MENTION=17131]Chanaynay[/MENTION] that you saw Vetani as being nervous...because I didn't get that sense necessarily... I got more of an "I'm on camera and what the hell do I say?" type feeling. Did you feel nervous [MENTION=11928]Vetani[/MENTION] or was that part of your internal experience? Obviously, I have e6 in mind as I focus on this aspect... When I think of an ISTJ or ISFJ e6... there was something in the way that Vetani talked about making mistakes with regards to details in his work...very unapologetically in my opinion... that immediately calls ISTJ/ISFJ e6 (and e1) into question in my mind. Not ruling these types out by any means but this one small thing does cause me to question it. ISTJ/ISFJ e6/e1 and even e9w1 *details* are pretty damn important. These people feel they depend on accuracy...and in a work situation especially...that others are depending on them to be accurate. With Si often times "close enough" is "not enough" and so yah...that definitely stands out to me a bit. Now I could see an ENFJ feeling drained by details...but again this isn't enough to say Vetani's ENFJ. The other thing...the e6 sx/so...that is definitely going to be a counterphobic person...especially for the ENFJ...and I heard nothing referenced by Vetani in that regard <-which I find strange in a 20 minute video...not to have at least one thing that hinted at counterphobia. In other words, if Vetani is an e6...I can't imagine him being sx/so...or even an sx dom. I know Vetani has had a few outbursts here and there...but I don't know what those were regarding...or if it was just a phase or whatever. Only Vetani could tell us if he relates to counterphobia.

The way he continually looked up and around... I get the sense sometimes that people want to attribute that to introversion...maybe shyness... but that behavior often says iNtuitive to me. There's definitely an EN possibility in all of that as well. Here again it's not enough to rule in or out a type...but what I notice is ISxJs are more likely to prepare a bit prior to sitting down and doing something like this...a video...and to treat it in more of a literal or formal sense. So perhaps they would have planned out what they were going to say...and subsequently look into the camera far more imagining a future audience. Likewise, iNtuits supposedly...or are known to access information in their brains this way...it's almost like they need to detach momentarily from what is actually going on...the sensory information is distracting so they look up and away to recall what they are searching their minds for. The other thing is while Vetani did focus on details as opposed to concepts blah, blah, blah...I actually know ENFJs that will do this same thing. Like, they know "what should be talked about"...they know "the right information to present"..."what people want to know" <-don't know if I explained that properly but I have seen it. Still...not ready to rule out ISxJ either.

Shit...I'm going with either ENFJ or ISFJ based on what I have seen...but I don't feel confident here at all.

ISFJ automatically calls e3w4 into question. e3 will be whatever e3 wants to be though so...


edit: Kalach

 

[Kierva]

Holy damn this is a hard one.

/stretches arms and cracks knuckles/

When I said ENFJ 3w4... I was going-off of a paragraph or two of information that Vetani provided me (Vetani whatever your type is I really like your vibe)... and in spite of the fact those paragraphs hit on some things that I would consider distinctly ENFJ...or at the very least make ENFJ a strong possibility... I didn't expect to feel the same way after actually watching one of Vetani's videos. In other words, I think ISTJ and ISFJ are strong contenders here and if you buy into the "population breakdowns" far more likely...but I haven't been able to rule-out ENFJ yet either.

I have considered ENFJ 3 because of my ability to be anything I choose to be. I was told by another friend that I could VI like any type I wanted to be because my blank expression is really blank, and because of that I could put on any face I wanted.

It's interesting [MENTION=17131]Chanaynay[/MENTION] that you saw Vetani as being nervous...because I didn't get that sense necessarily... I got more of an "I'm on camera and what the hell do I say?" type feeling. Did you feel nervous [MENTION=11928]Vetani[/MENTION] or was that part of your internal experience?

I wouldn't say I was nervous. And you're right, I didn't prepare for the questions so I didn't exactly know what my thoughts were, which was why I was pausing and stumbling a lot. There's also the part where I'm not used to talking to a camera, in which case it acts like my interaction with a stranger.

Obviously, I have e6 in mind as I focus on this aspect... When I think of an ISTJ or ISFJ e6... there was something in the way that Vetani talked about making mistakes with regards to details in his work...very unapologetically in my opinion... that immediately calls ISTJ/ISFJ e6 (and e1) into question in my mind. Not ruling these types out by any means but this one small thing does cause me to question it. ISTJ/ISFJ e6/e1 and even e9w1 *details* are pretty damn important. These people feel they depend on accuracy...and in a work situation especially...that others are depending on them to be accurate. With Si often times "close enough" is "not enough" and so yah...that definitely stands out to me a bit. Now I could see an ENFJ feeling drained by details...but again this isn't enough to say Vetani's ENFJ.

It really depends on how much energy I have, and how much I care about the work. The 3 out of the 5 jobs had a heavy emphasis on procedures, and I'm not one to follow procedures because I tend to subscribe to shortcuts (because I'm lazy), even if it's not looked up upon. When I follow these shortcuts, it's because I want to be quicker and all that bureaucratic shit is slowing me down.

There's also the part where, when you're working, it's better to do a half-assed job and finish everything, than to do something halfway, but perfectly. I'm also no good with long deadlines because either way it's going to turn out the same if it were to be given to me on a short deadline.

The last job -- the one where I was working with a lot of numbers -- had short deadlines and LOADS of detailed excel sheets to go through. Naturally when I went through them there were a lot of mistakes, but I had to meet the deadline, because deadline > accuracy.

The other thing...the e6 sx/so...that is definitely going to be a counterphobic person...especially for the ENFJ...and I heard nothing referenced by Vetani in that regard <-which I find strange in a 20 minute video...not to have at least one thing that hinted at counterphobia. In other words, if Vetani is an e6...I can't imagine him being sx/so...or even an sx dom. I know Vetani has had a few outbursts here and there...but I don't know what those were regarding...or if it was just a phase or whatever. Only Vetani could tell us if he relates to counterphobia.

Counterphobia is defined as facing fear head on, and in this case, I partially relate to it. For the most part I don't really think about my fears as much as I think about who or what is going to stop me from getting to my goals.

The idea of being cockblocked by something or someone whom I have no control over REALLY shakes me up to the point where I get crippled. It happens when I'm waiting on some big news because in my head I've planned it with a happy ending, and at the moment in time, it's as if my happy ending is being taken away from me, in which then I spiral into this lazy depressive who tries to forget all his troubles with food, sleep and gaming.

That, and being stuck in a rut. I have to keep moving to be sane.

The way he continually looked up and around... I get the sense sometimes that people want to attribute that to introversion...maybe shyness... but that behavior often says iNtuitive to me. There's definitely an EN possibility in all of that as well. Here again it's not enough to rule in or out a type...but what I notice is ISxJs are more likely to prepare a bit prior to sitting down and doing something like this...a video...and to treat it in more of a literal or formal sense. So perhaps they would have planned out what they were going to say...and subsequently look into the camera far more imagining a future audience. Likewise, iNtuits supposedly...or are known to access information in their brains this way...it's almost like they need to detach momentarily from what is actually going on...the sensory information is distracting so they look up and away to recall what they are searching their minds for. The other thing is while Vetani did focus on details as opposed to concepts blah, blah, blah...I actually know ENFJs that will do this same thing. Like, they know "what should be talked about"...they know "the right information to present"..."what people want to know" <-don't know if I explained that properly but I have seen it. Still...not ready to rule out ISxJ either.

When I was staying at [MENTION=15349]SilverRvn[/MENTION]'s place, I kept pissing him off for zoning out. He'd ask me a question and I'd (usually) keep quiet. When I keep quiet it means that I'm trying to think -- but I couldn't phrase my answers correctly enough to make sense, so I answered with a yes or no to an open-ended question, and then I'd piss him off for not giving a complete answer, and then I promptly forgot what was that he asked in the first place.

As for knowing what should be talked about, I sometimes find myself screening what I should say for the things that matter. I usually clinch job interviews because I can be so unlike myself -- I'm engaging, diplomatic and tactful, and my portfolio + resume makes "the package" even better. If I'm interested in someone, I know what to talk about and what not to talk about (usually after observing them from a distance and opening up) based on what he/she likes.

When the environment gets a little more relaxed I become a loose cannon.

Shit...I'm going with either ENFJ or ISFJ based on what I have seen...but I don't feel confident here at all.

No worries, my friends can't even type me lol.

ISFJ automatically calls e3w4 into question.

The question is...?

e3 will be whatever e3 wants to be though so...

I think that's the main problem.

 

[Nicodemus]

[MENTION=15349]SilverRvn[/MENTION], what do you think?

 

[SilverRvn]

[MENTION=15349]SilverRvn[/MENTION], what do you think?

[MENTION=10757]Nicodemus[/MENTION]: About which part?

 

[Starry]

[MENTION=10757]Nicodemus[/MENTION]: About which part?

I'm going to come back to this thread later but just wanted to say SilverRvn that I think Nicodemus was just asking for your opinion on Vetani's type (can't be sure of that but that's the feeling I got... if I'm wrong though I'm curious about this myself haha I'm interested in your input because it seems like you know Vetani fairly well or perhaps a little more than the rest of us maybe...)