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[Red Memories]

And I wanted to grow an ESFP cult . . .

Now that I will not go with you are no ESFP

 

[chickpea]

not an ENFP and i don't even think ENFPs can be 1s! i'm unsure of your Fi usage but it's possible

 

[Vendrah]

[MENTION=19700]Tactical Turtleneck[/MENTION]

I'll take you

INTP 9w8 5w6 3w2 Sp/Sx

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[MENTION=35920]Earl Grey[/MENTION] - INFJ 5, or perhaps INTJ?
You seem a Ni-dom to me at least.

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[MENTION=30122]Lord Lavender[/MENTION] - Still ENFP, ENXP with borderline T/F is not unusual at all.

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not an ENFP and i don't even think ENFPs can be 1s! i'm unsure of your Fi usage but it's possible

I agree on the ENFP can't be ones part XD!
I think she is a mix of INFP & ENFJ, ENFP is in the middle but ENFP and enneagram 1 are not really compatible... Unless you buy the disintegration theory, so she is a 7 that disintegrated to 1 but forgot to put a I or J that should come from the disintegration.

[MENTION=33903]Red Memories[/MENTION]

EDIT: Reasoning on spoiler

So, here are the most common MBTI types per enneagrams:
Type 1: IXXJ : In ATER, about half of enneagram type 1 are ISFJ, ISTJ and INTJ combined. World-wide, it is quite likely that about half of this enneagram type is ISFJ or ISTJ.
Type 2: EXFJ: In ATER, about 80% of this enneagram is composed by basically ENFJ and ESFJ. World-wide, it is likely that more than half of this enneagram is composed by ESFJ type.
Type 3 and Type 8: EXTJ: In ATER, a little bit less than half of this enneagram are ENTJ and ESTJ. World-wide, about half of this enneagram is composed by ESTJ and ESTP.
Type 4: INFX: In ATER, a little bit more than a half from this type are INFP and INFJ. In countries in general, about half are INFP, ISFP or ENFP.
Type 5: IXTX: In ATER, a little bit less than a half from this type are INTJ and INTP. Word-wide, most type 5 are ISTP, INTP and ISTJ.
Type 6: ISXJ: Both in ATER and world-wide, more or less (less on ATER, more on world-wide) half of this type are ISTJ and ISFJ.
Type 7: EXXP: More than 90% both in ATER and world-wide of this type are basically Extraverted Perceivers.
Type 9: Very diverse.
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But also I had decided to use the cognitive functions to give some assistance as well (had this idea just later thats why it is not in the beginning), although in this context of use it wont be super reliable. There are two ways to do this, a hard and slightly more precise one, which would be way too long to be shown, and the shortest one that is less precise, but at least more aligned with dichotomy. I decided to take the easiest one. One website made associations between enneagram and cognitive functions, although their input comes completely from dichotomy:
https://thoughtcatalog.com/heidi-priebe/2016/01/mbti-and-the-enneagram-2/18/

From this website:
- Ne and Se are associated with type 7 mostly.
- Ni is associated with type 5 (although I dont see any connection for that conceptually).
- Si is associated with type 6 and type 1.
- Te is associated with type 3 and 8.
- Ti is very strongly associated with type 5.
- Fe is very strongly associated with type 2.
- Fi is associated with type 4 and 9 (although I see few connections for that conceptually).

So, using IXXJ types as Ne-tard and Se-tard, ESXP types as Ni-tard, ENXP types as Si-tard, IXFP as Te-tard, EXFJ as Ti-tard, IXTP as Fe-tard and EXTJ as Fi-tard, and merging that with enneagram associations, we have as impossible types and enneagrams combinations:
- Type 1 (Si): ENFP and ENTP.
- Type 2 (Fe): INTP and ISTP.
- Type 3 (Te): INFP and ISFP.
- Type 4 (Fi): ESTJ and ENTJ.
- Type 5 (Ti and Ni): ESFJ, ENFJ, ESTP and ESFP.
- Type 6 (Si): ENFP and ENTP.
- Type 7 (Se and Ne): ISTJ, ISFJ, INTJ, INFJ.
- Type 8 (Te): INFP and ISFP.
- Type 9 (Fi): ENTJ and ESTJ.

So, basically a Type 1 should not be a Si-tard, that is why ENTP/ENFP 1 is an impossible combo, it is because of the functions.

 

[Coriolis]

(I have a question of my own whats the odds of ENFP vs ENPT for me) .

I have seen you as ENTP ever since you came to the forum. My original reasoning involved the way you presented your case in serious threads (more seeking of logical consistency), and the way you would joke and banter in the lighthearted threads (very divergent, Ne-style humor but with an edge to it that ENFP usually lacks). Your presentation in the past year or so has come across as much softer and more tentative, but I have the impression that that is more in response to RL perturbations rather than something innate. Your approach to problems and questions lacks the external, fact-focus of Te, which suggests the T you use is Ti. Your interaction style has always reflected an awareness of group dynamics more indicative of Fe over Fi. This distinction is muddied by the more introspective turn your presentation (and perhaps your actual thoughts/life) has taken, but not enough to make me willing to switch them. So, if you use Ti and Fe and Ne, _NTP is the only choice, and I don't think you are I.

 

[chickpea]

wait i thought this was the type the member above you thread, my bad lol

 

[Merced]

All Enneagram/MBTI combinations are possible and I will die on that hill.

 

[Earl Grey]

I have seen you as ENTP ever since you came to the forum. My original reasoning involved the way you presented your case in serious threads (more seeking of logical consistency), and the way you would joke and banter in the lighthearted threads (very divergent, Ne-style humor but with an edge to it that ENFP usually lacks). Your presentation in the past year or so has come across as much softer and more tentative, but I have the impression that that is more in response to RL perturbations rather than something innate. Your approach to problems and questions lacks the external, fact-focus of Te, which suggests the T you use is Ti. Your interaction style has always reflected an awareness of group dynamics more indicative of Fe over Fi. This distinction is muddied by the more introspective turn your presentation (and perhaps your actual thoughts/life) has taken, but not enough to make me willing to switch them. So, if you use Ti and Fe and Ne, _NTP is the only choice, and I don't think you are I.

@Lord Lavender basically my reasoning as well, including your recent presentation. The wanting to maintain logical consistency and gather up data like candy (OH I READ THIS (Ne)! NOW I KNOW THIS (Ti)! NOW I SHARE THIS FOR OTHERS, THEY'LL LIKE IT! (Fe), the fact that you gather things that personally makes sense to you, and you present it to others in a Fe-ish way. It's like you're using Fe to present Ne+Ti.

You seem to 'mentally tinkertoy' a lot and enjoy the data for data's sake instead of drawing moralistic conclusions on things (compare to Jazzy, for example), or stating what to do with the data- very akin to Maou, who is also -TP type. The huge impression I get with Ti-types is "HERE'S ALL THE DATA!" "Okay, what do we do about it?" "I don't know I haven't thought of it but HEY LOOK HERE'S MORE DATA,"- they have answers (with varying degrees of making sense and relevancy), but lack conclusions.

Your recent presentation also has a lot to do with propriety and relating to others and how you communicate with others- which is generally a Fe concern and where Fe focuses on to do its work- more than it is an internal dissonance and having a value system come crashing down on you that a Fi-crisis seems to be prone to being. Fe seems to not want to ask "Who am I to myself?" and ask instead, "Who am I to others?" it is like they perceive 'who' they are via a mirror- via how they are present and interact with others, and then derive their self-identity and self-understanding from there rather than being biased to their internal emotional state to gauge who they are and their intentions. Keep in mind that since I am considering ENTP as a type for you, this wouldn't be the main way you interact with the world, but I see it as a prominent feature you express and experience regardless.

 

[Schrödinger's Name]

What excludes an ENFP from being an E1? Not to mention that the MBTI and the Enneagram are completely different systems. They are Fi users and Fi users are rather known for having their own inner world and (strong) values as E1's do (relating to the values).

What I find rather interesting (even despite I am combining MBTI and the Enneagram by doing this) are SO-doms with Fi in their stacking (or at least that's what they claim to be). This for some reason does not make sense to me at all.

 

[Saturnal Snowqueen]

Yeah, personally I don't see ENFP and 1 as weird at all. Fi and Te in the middle, even with Ne at the front, tends to be really staunch about what they believe in. Sx 1 would be the countertype too, and they're the type to be less concerned about having a tidy desk like a SP 1 and more the type to be fierce idealists who crusade after what they believe in. I think this fits ENFP well; they're stereotyped as manic pixie dream girls and some are but if you want to think about it from a socionics perspective, they're deltas which makes them more rigid and perfectionistic than they seem at first glance.

 

[Luminous]

What I find rather interesting (even despite I am combining MBTI and the Enneagram by doing this) are SO-doms with Fi in their stacking (or at least that's what they claim to be). This for some reason does not make sense to me at all.

Why couldn't a Fi dom be an so dom? It would mean they focus on connecting with others and participating/contributing and reading others. There's nothing necessarily ingruent there. It could come out as putting one's values into action in the social realm.

 

[Schrödinger's Name]

Why couldn't a Fi dom be an so dom? It would mean they focus on connecting with others and participating/contributing and reading others. There's nothing necessarily ingruent there. It could come out as putting one's values into action in the social realm.

I didn't say they can't be an SO-dom. Only that it looks odd to me when I apply the generalized description of the Enneagram instincts combined with the generalized description of Fi-doms.

 

[Vendrah]

ENFPs and 1 are compatible

No no no no!
Nay nay nay nay!

What excludes an ENFP from being an E1?

Ok, time for the long and concpetual-focused explanation, the short and data-focused explanation is on my last post on the page 780 of this thread.

This is related to the core mistake:

They are Fi users and Fi users are rather known for having their own inner world and (strong) values as E1's do (relating to the values).

Here it is the flawed reasoning: Feelings in general are associated with values, and E1 is associated with values, then feelers are associated with type 1s since they merge with values. But statistics says that most E1's (something like 70-90%) are thinkers, and not feelers! So, what has gone wrong?

Well, the cool thing about connecting enneagram and MBTI is that we can have a different view of the same thing - both are accessing "human personality". And Jung, even without knowing about the enneagram, did captured enneagram 1 morality well.

We will first discuss the extraverted thinking type.

In accordance with his definition, we must picture a, man whose constant aim -- in so far, of course, as he is a [p. 435] pure type -- is to bring his total life-activities into relation with intellectual conclusions, which in the last resort are always orientated by objective data, whether objective facts or generally valid ideas. This type of man gives the deciding voice-not merely for himself alone but also on behalf of his entourage-either to the actual objective reality or to its objectively orientated, intellectual formula. By this formula are good and evil measured, and beauty and ugliness determined. All is right that corresponds with this formula; all is wrong that contradicts it; and everything that is neutral to it is purely accidental. Because this formula seems to correspond with the meaning of the world, it also becomes a world-law whose realization must be achieved at all times and seasons, both individually and collectively. Just as the extraverted thinking type subordinates himself to his formula, so, for its own good, must his entourage also obey it, since the man who refuses to obey is wrong -- he is resisting the world-law, and is, therefore, unreasonable, immoral, and without a conscience. His moral code forbids him to tolerate exceptions; his ideal must, under all circumstances, be realized; for in his eyes it is the purest conceivable formulation of objective reality, and, therefore, must also be generally valid truth, quite indispensable for the salvation of man. This is not from any great love for his neighbour, but from a higher standpoint of justice and truth. Everything in his own nature that appears to invalidate this formula is mere imperfection, an accidental miss-fire, something to be eliminated on the next occasion, or, in the event of further failure, then clearly a sickness.

If tolerance for the sick, the suffering, or the deranged should chance to be an ingredient in the formula, special provisions will be devised for humane societies, hospitals, prisons, colonies, etc., or at least extensive plans for such projects. For the actual execution of these schemes the [p. 436] motives of justice and truth do not, as a rule, suffice; still devolve upon real Christian charity, which I to do with feeling than with any intellectual 'One really should' or I one must' figure largely in this programme. If the formula is wide enough, it may play a very useful rôle in social life, with a reformer or a ventilator of public wrongs or a purifier of the public conscience, or as the propagator of important innovations. But the more rigid the formula, the more, does he develop into a grumbler, a crafty reasoner, and a self-righteous critic, who would like to impress both himself and others into one schema.
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There are a few painful examples in science where investigators of the highest esteem, from a profound conviction of the truth and general validity of their formula, have not scrupled to falsify evidence in favour of their ideal. This is sanctioned by the formula; the end justifieth the means.

Well, I don't think I really need to even put any type 1 descriptions, because obviously the link between type 1 and what I had wrote is hopefully obvious.

However, there is another subject here: Si. Si is one of a headache in Jung; Jung's original Si is very difficult to explain beyond "internal body sensations" and "past-experience orientation". It starts speaking even about art, where ISTJs and ISFJs aren't usually much artistic at all. Because of this, many sources had re-shaped Si into a just "SJ", and the post-Jung Si, that is the one used on the test and the one people have been using to type themselves, use traits that were 'stolen' from Te and Fe mostly. I really don't find a 'iconic' description of SJ neither an official one, so let's be happy just with this slide share to make my point:

Well, that "Rules and standard way of doing things", "Regulations and rewards are certain" overlaps with this moralistic part of the intellectual formula.

Since this aspect of Te has been inserted on Si, and people indeed use this aspect as if it were Si instead of Te, I did recognized it as Si instead. So, this is the link of type 1 and Si (that in Jung it is actually Type 1 and Te), and since ENFPs and ENTPs are in average Si-tards, a really high Si would compromise ENFPs and ENTPs type; Therefore ENFPs and ENTPs can't be enneagram type 1, that is inconsistent.

The values from the feelings, specially from Fi, and values from type 1 are different, even if they are confused. A highly idealistic person full of values is not necessarily a type 1, the values from type 1 indeed have an "intrinsic nature" related to some sort of idealistic formula.

PS: I am skeptical but I don't reject the integration/disintegration theory (it is actually a little bit cool); In this framework, a type 7 can disintegrate to 1, meaning that a ENFP/ENTP 7 can disintegrate to 1, but that disintegration indeed would change their MBTI type (more likely to ENFJ/ENTJ/INFP/INTP), or at least how their MBTI type is read not only by the tests but by the others as well.
PS2: My reasoning is for CORE type only. The 'fixes' on tri-type can be anything because they are weaker. So, a ENFP/ENTP with a tri-type X1Y is awkward but consistent (actually, the consistency depends on which types are X and Y, and what is the most relevant type out of that tri-type).

 

[Schrödinger's Name]

always orientated by objective data, whether objective facts or generally valid ideas. By this formula are good and evil measured, and beauty and ugliness determined.

This is a completely different discussion, but 'objectively' measuring what's 'good and evil', 'beauty and ugliness'? Though the 'valid ideas' already says enough. What makes an idea 'valid' after all? You can merely get a consensus on that but it'll never be 100% objective.

But statistics says that most E1's (something like 70-90%) are thinkers, and not feelers!

How reliable are those statistics? How do the people who gathered the information to make those statistics know for sure that those people are accurately typed? It's not possible to prove that.

Sure, everyone would like to claim that their values and principles are backed up by/based upon high 'objective' research and facts. That doesn't mean that that's always the case.
Even if those statistics are 'right' there's still room for 30%-10% E1's that are not thinkers.

 

[skimpit]

Let's play whack-a-mole. Take a whack at me.

 

[Vendrah]

This is a completely different discussion, but 'objectively' measuring what's 'good and evil', 'beauty and ugliness'? Though the 'valid ideas' already says enough. What makes an idea 'valid' after all? You can merely get a consensus on that but it'll never be 100% objective.

Jung does address that later, but my point was just to explain the link between Type 1 and Jung Te.

How reliable are those statistics? How do the people who gathered the information to make those statistics know for sure that those people are accurately typed? It's not possible to prove that.

Sure, everyone would like to claim that their values and principles are backed up by/based upon high 'objective' research and facts. That doesn't mean that that's always the case.
Even if those statistics are 'right' there's still room for 30%-10% E1's that are not thinkers.

I made the entire explanation of why these statistics are the way they are, and why ENFP and ENTP can't be 1s, not why Feelers can't be ones because some Feelers types can be 1s.

Honestly, I already made my part to try to bring light, explanation and information...

 

[Frosty]

I dont have a type. I dont have a soul

 

[Lord Lavender]

Let's play whack-a-mole. Take a whack at me.

Based on what ive seen of ya I would say maybe INTP 5w6 3w4 9w8 Sp/So .

 

[Lateralus]

[MENTION=266]Lateralus[/MENTION]
I think you're an INTJ. your posts display much more Fi than I've seen in any ENTJ I can think of. also, you don't quite come across as a core 3 to me. I could buy 5w6, 1w9 or 6w5 for you.

I think you're onto something but have you considered how much I like looking at myself in the mirror?

 

[Majesty]

Take a whack at me as well

 

[Captain_Invincible]

Whack me too!

I can't whack @Majesty because the idiot has gone and got themselves banned!