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[Doctor Cringelord]

as far as the "right of passage", ugh, that was a doozy. I could've done without mine. In the very least, I am now more sure than ever of my type because of the ordeal. But wow, there must be some better initiation to the site haha

I've been through it a few times. It used to bother me when I wasn't asking to be typed and people felt the need to mention me, at which point it seemed like everyone else would then pile on and throw in their two cent opinions that I didn't even ask for. Evee used to like calling me out, but that's because I was frequently mistyping as ridiculous types that were obvious to most people here except for me. I went through my special INFJ snowflake stage because any introverted, awkward person with an ounce of creativity and foresight thinks they're an INFJ based on type descriptions (even with a basic knowledge of JCF it can be easy to convince oneself of dominant Ni usage) until they meet real INFJs. I've also been called most types by now. Now I realize that anyone who lists a type, whether correct or incorrect, is making themselves a candidate for mention in this thread whether they like it or not.

It can be a humbling experience, especially when we have convinced ourselves of a particular type. Doing the research and leg work, extensive self-analysis, maybe feeling like you've found your own species whenever you read like-typed individuals' writings or watch their videos, feeling like you have unlocked an important aspect of yourself and given it name and classification, only to have someone casually say "nope" is still kind of annoying, although only when they say "nope" but refuse to really say why (and, yes, I am guilty of this a lot in the past, so now I try to say WHY when I mention someone, and usually only do it to people who are already being discussed in said thread). If they offer at least some form of explanation for their reasoning, then I respect their effort and will consider that new slice of perspective as it adds a missing piece to a greater panorama. It might be a piece that led that person to suggest the wrong overall type, but that piece might still lead me to see where I have incorrectly placed or misread other pieces of the bigger picture.

Someone called me out no more than 2 weeks ago, even though I don't even list my type anymore. At this point it doesn't bother me, I find it amusing and sometimes people suggest an angle or facet that I simply overlooked or failed to consider.

 

[Lord Lavender]

Oh I'm not saying that this is unfair or that you guys are ganging up on them, just that I have noticed many ENxPs on the site get a general "You might be a ESFJ" comment from time to time. Sometimes it's really baseless but other times (like this one) it's a reasonably fair conclusion to make.

I am now way more interested in Brain's enneagram. I made a thread about it a while ago (I would link but right now I am on mobile), but the fact that Brain has Fe in his function stack, as well as 2 in his tritype, and so/sx as his instinctual variant is intriguing to me. Something has to be off, no? One of those factors is enhancing the other.

The traits here are like a hot tropical ocean for hurricane formantion however instead of hurricanes all these traits are perfect for some one who radiates Fe.

 

[Smilephantomhive]

Using Ne feels as natural as say sleeping is for a sloth or as natural as spheres are across the universe. On the other hand i sometimes have to force the Fe through like say swallowing chewing gum as it is something you do have to force yourself to do to some extent.

If Ne is natural and Fe is less natural, then why are you considering ESFJ? The only thing is that you might have the definitions wrong though.

 

[Lord Lavender]

If Ne is natural and Fe is less natural, then why are you considering ESFJ? The only thing is that you might have the definitions wrong though.

The general idea here is that i am a high Fe shapeshifter who can change properties of themselves to fit other types. A few people think i am a ESFJ squeezing every single drop of Ne out to appeal to the Fe image of being ENTP. (I gotta go guys for about half an hour, i will be back shortly )

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Someone on youtube suggested Megyn Kelly as a good example of a highly intelligent ESFJ.

 

[Dreamer]

The general idea here is that i am a high Fe shapeshifter who can change properties of themselves to fit other types. A few people think i am a ESFJ squeezing every single drop of Ne out to appeal to the Fe image of being ENTP. (I gotta go guys for about half an hour, i will be back shortly )

If this were true, of you being a shapeshifter in the way you describe, I'd suggest that is evidence of Ne/Fe not Fe/Ne. In your example, Fe is in the service of Ne as Ne guides your interaction with people and allows you to pick up on what exactly the social environment requires. It's not that you abide by this but you "play the game". Also a sign of your So strength. In my perception of you, you seem to be the type that can walk up to just about any social group, the nerds, the jocks, etc, figure them out, read the situation, then blend in by becoming one of them. If Fe were leading the charge, you would be less fluid and your Ne instead, would be in service of your Fe thereby allowing you to shapeshift your values and delivery to the group. Fe still holds its values, that isn't Fi specific. It's figuring out HOW you shapeshift and what function is leading what.

Everything was far more certain and clear in my head but I lost my train of thought mid way through so out came this garbage

 

[Starry]

How dare members suggest other members are ESFJ!!!!


(Actually why are people typing others at all? It's hurtful.)

 

[Lord Lavender]

If this were true, of you being a shapeshifter in the way you describe, I'd suggest that is evidence of Ne/Fe not Fe/Ne. In your example, Fe is in the service of Ne as Ne guides your interaction with people and allows you to pick up on what exactly the social environment requires. It's not that you abide by this but you "play the game". Also a sign of your So strength. In my perception of you, you seem to be the type that can walk up to just about any social group, the nerds, the jocks, etc, figure them out, read the situation, then blend in by becoming one of them. If Fe were leading the charge, you would be less fluid and your Ne instead, would be in service of your Fe thereby allowing you to shapeshift your values and delivery to the group. Fe still holds its values, that isn't Fi specific. It's figuring out HOW you shapeshift and what function is leading what.

Everything was far more certain and clear in my head but I lost my train of thought mid way through so out came this garbage

I do have a very intuitive grasp of the dynamics in a social group. I got on with jocks, nerds, outcasts, goths, teachers pets e.t.c as i had a very intuitive grasp of what was required to meld with the group. You assesment of me being able to meld with any group is not wrong at all .

 

[Dreamer]

How dare members suggest other members are ESFJ!!!!


(Actually why are people typing others at all? It's hurtful.)

I just get the sense that ISFJ and ESFJ typing have become a sort of recent fad to combat the disproportionate number of intuitives on the forum, as though the percentages here need to directly reflect the percentages as seen in the broader, societal scope where indeed, SFJs dominate by far. I hope that that bias isn't being unfairly placed on members here seeking to discover their type, in order to correct this "wrong". Then again, I realize it is also MY personal bias, to go against this bias I perceive... So hey, what do you do? Fighting a bias with a bias. It's impossible to be absolutely objective here. That's partially where my fascination with NTJs come from, even though they carry with them their own bias. I'm just idealizing the idea of bias free objectivity really. Oh boy, I need to get back to work. This is so fascinating though ahh!!

 

[Yuurei]

I don't have to do anything.

Like constantly respond to arguments in which neither side stands to gain anything?
See, someone who truly gives no fucks would just move on. You clearly want something or would have washed your hands of this pointless argument. The whole " Lone wolf" act doesn't work if you keep coming back to prove that you don't need anyone/thing.

 

[Starry]

I just get the sense that ISFJ and ESFJ typing have become a sort of recent fad to combat the disproportionate number of intuitives on the forum, as though the percentages here need to directly reflect the percentages as seen in the broader, societal scope where indeed, SFJs dominate by far. I hope that that bias isn't being unfairly placed on members here seeking to discover their type, in order to correct this "wrong". Then again, I realize it is also MY personal bias, to go against this bias I perceive... So hey, what do you do? Fighting a bias with a bias. It's impossible to be absolutely objective here. That's partially where my fascination with NTJs come from, even though they carry with them their own bias. I'm just idealizing the idea of bias free objectivity really. Oh boy, I need to get back to work. This is so fascinating though ahh!!

I just think it's good to question everything...always. So I'm glad you are (although I didn't see you doing that here right now...I thought I saw someone else but I'm on my phone so maybe not)

 

[Lord Lavender]

Like constantly respond to arguments in which neither side stands to gain anything?
See, someone who truly gives no fucks would just move on. You clearly want something or would have washed your hands of this pointless argument. The whole " Lone wolf" act doesn't work if you keep coming back to prove that you don't need anyone/thing.

A comment I made towards this person sparked this whole ENTP/ESFJ debate about me believe it or not. I told her off for being an anti-social grouch who wasn't playing nice with others and an another member made a remark that i was more ESFJ than a member named ESFJ and it all started from there. Plus a ninja hen. It was like a snowball.

 

[Yuurei]

A comment i made towards this person sparked this whole ENTP/ESFJ debate about me believe it or not. I told her off for being a anti-social grouch who wasn't playing nice with others and a another member made a remark that i was more ESFJ than a member named ESFJ and it all started from there.

Oh, I suppose that is a slightly bigger deal... not much.

Point still stands; a lot of people play the "No fucks card" so hard that it is very obvious hey do gives some amount of fucks. I know that many people don't believe my type. And some things about their reasoning push a few of my buttons but other than that I do not care. I know myself better than anyone and that is what we call confidence.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

I just get the sense that ISFJ and ESFJ typing have become a sort of recent fad to combat the disproportionate number of intuitives on the forum, as though the percentages here need to directly reflect the percentages as seen in the broader, societal scope where indeed, SFJs dominate by far. I hope that that bias isn't being unfairly placed on members here seeking to discover their type, in order to correct this "wrong". Then again, I realize it is also MY personal bias, to go against this bias I perceive... So hey, what do you do? Fighting a bias with a bias. It's impossible to be absolutely objective here. That's partially where my fascination with NTJs come from, even though they carry with them their own bias. I'm just idealizing the idea of bias free objectivity really. Oh boy, I need to get back to work. This is so fascinating though ahh!!

If anything, I'd expect a percentage of N type members greater than the percentage on overall society.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Oh, I suppose that is a slightly bigger deal... not much.

Point still stands; a lot of people play the "No fucks card" so hard that it is very obvious hey do gives some amount of fucks. I know that many people don't believe my type. And some things about their reasoning push a few of my buttons but other than that I do not care. I know myself better than anyone and that is what we call confidence.

I'd guess about 99 percent of people do in fact have fucks to give; some are just better at hiding it.

 

[Dreamer]

I just think it's good to question everything...always. So I'm glad you are (although I didn't see you doing that here right now...I thought I saw someone else but I'm on my phone so maybe not)

I've just been taking everything in as it comes. I posed my own questions to [MENTION=30122]Brain in a Jar[/MENTION], which I hope he comes back to me with *nudge nudge* For all I know, he did respond. I'm just going in order through this thread as I'm on my phone, distracting myself from work haha.

 

[Lord Lavender]

I've just been taking everything in as it comes. I posed my own questions to [MENTION=30122]Brain in a Jar[/MENTION], which I hope he comes back to me with *nudge nudge* For all I know, he did respond. I'm just going in order through this thread as I'm on my phone, distracting myself from work haha.

If i missed anything let me know. I probably did as there is so much activity going on i probably missed something. Anyway I have a couple of statements regarding my Ne-Fe beheaviours and which one is more like it? In other words is my Fe serving my Ne or is Ne serving my Fe?

"I love engaging in Ne banter as you can see on the ENFP/INTJ fetish thread but I was doing it mostly to amuse Gentleman Jack and myself plus build up a friendship with him. I had tonnes of fun myself as well. (I would say Ne is leading there as it is mostly Ne with a underlying Fe mutative (Build a relationship with another person and amuse them to make them happy).

"I get a feeling of exhilaration from entertaining and joining in a group with all random Ne stuff going around but at the same time I also want to be seen as the clever and funny guy and if I am say hosting and the environment is not energetic and happy enough for me I will get annoyed".

"I love sharing new ideas with others, For example when I first found out about MBTI I went around telling everyone about it as it really interested me and I wanted to share that energy with others to hopefully build relationships with them and have fun".
"

 

[Lady Lazarus]

I just think it's good to question everything...always. So I'm glad you are (although I didn't see you doing that here right now...I thought I saw someone else but I'm on my phone so maybe not)

I think it's kind of strange that a lot of other people don't think people in general of all things should be questioned and thought about critically but I also think it explains a lot of the world to me at this point. Man as the majority must really be something likened to humble underneath it all to think himself unworthy of investigation or complexity. But perhaps that last bit is too presumptuous.

 

[Dreamer]

If anything, I'd expect a percentage of N type members greater than the percentage on overall society.

Oh absolutely. We are dealing with theory here after all. And of course sensors can and do appreciate theory, in my experience, they just put less importance in it and therefore spend less time in it. On this site, I don't expect the general population statistics of type to be represented here as well.

 

[Dreamer]

If i missed anything let me know. I probably did as there is so much activity going on i probably missed something. By the way here my cogntive function test results below. Do they fit well would you guys say. Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use) extraverted Sensing (Se) ********************* (21.4) limited use introverted Sensing (Si) ********************* (21.5) limited use extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ************************************************** (50.8) excellent use introverted Intuiting (Ni) ****************************** (30.6) good use extraverted Thinking (Te) ********************** (22.4) limited use introverted Thinking (Ti) **************************************** (41) excellent use extraverted Feeling (Fe) ******************************************* (43.7) excellent use introverted Feeling (Fi) ******** (8.2) unused

Totally understandable, there IS a lot of back and forth. Look back to my question regarding which type you admire, not which one you identify with, but which one you know you aren't, but like. Almost like IF could morph into that type for whatever reason, which type would you morph into? Following that question is the why? What about that type do you like?