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Lord Lavender

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Just pointing out a quick thing, it's late and I'll better think about this tomorrow: any function can make you learn faster or quicker depending on what you are studying, how, and a million other factors.

As a Ti/Fe user (well, maybe I'm not, but whatever), I can say that I'm really quick at learning and improvising mathematical demonstrations (I can analyze and internally store information as quick as I get it, it's immediate) while, for example, I need days in order to learn a few history paragraphs (my Ti becomes useless and my factual memory is not that great), and days in order to deeply analyze philosophy. On the other hand I've known some INFPs who are great and much quicker at doing it despite their functions.

Also keep in mind that Fe's an extraverted judging function, so you could actually be confusing some aspects with Te's.

Embrace the Ne. I know you wanna :D:happy2::):D. If you have Ne you can like learn how Pokemon types and MBTI relate to one another or what Europe would look like if it were shifted 1000 miles south. Plus you get to invent the enlarging ray which means you can shrink yourself down to ant size and climb that dirt mound which would be Everest to you. Plus with Ti you can troll with dystonian things such as organizing people into different Pokemon types and subjecting them to unpleasant fates based on that (For your Waters you get like African water, for steel you get turned to steel and for physic you get loud voices in your head).
 

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Oh goodness [MENTION=19719]Forever[/MENTION]! Do you have inferior Ne? :p All those possibilities, and none of them favorable towards you. :(

I don't know how I'd live if I always thought such things. Though, I'm sure there are times thinking of such outcomes could've prevented some clashes with people in the past. But I just shrug it off and move on.

My therapist said that when I told her different perspectives of just one instance and she thought something was wrong with my brain lol.

Me an ISFJ? :p I'd be an incredibly different SJ due to strong disagreements I have had in the past with Si types. They see so differently than me. It's like they're content in the situation where everything is the same even if it's shitty. It makes no sense to me. (I perceive it to be terrible but to them, consistency > possibilities)

I was someone who'd always switch up everything when I teach something even to my own detriment. If anything I'm much more likely to be Ne than Si. I also make tons of mistakes due to lack of preparedness. Si types tend to be defensive pessimistic and I'm like the opposite when I tackle a new situation overly optimistic coming out badly burned. :laugh:

I'm really negative with the past.
 

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Embrace the Ne. I know you wanna :D:happy2::):D. If you have Ne you can like learn how Pokemon types and MBTI relate to one another or what Europe would look like if it were shifted 1000 miles south. Plus you get to invent the enlarging ray which means you can shrink yourself down to ant size and climb that dirt mound which would be Everest to you. Plus with Ti you can troll with dystonian things such as organizing people into different Pokemon types and subjecting them to unpleasant fates based on that (For your Waters you get like African water, for steel you get turned to steel and for physic you get loud voices in your head).

I actually did the first two. Regarding the first one, I stopped as I thought that it wasn't making sense and I was thinking by useless stereotypes. But I definitely imagined and read something about the Europe-shifted-many-kilometres-south thing or something like that, I just can't remember when.
Dante would be so proud of how you applied the retaliation law, by the way.
 

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My therapist said that when I told her different perspectives of just one instance and she thought something was wrong with my brain lol.

Me an ISFJ? :p I'd be an incredibly different SJ due to strong disagreements I have had in the past with Si types. They see so differently than me. It's like they're content in the situation where everything is the same even if it's shitty. It makes no sense to me. (I perceive it to be terrible but to them, consistency > possibilities)

I was someone who'd always switch up everything when I teach something even to my own detriment. If anything I'm much more likely to be Ne than Si. I also make tons of mistakes due to lack of preparedness. Si types tend to be defensive pessimistic and I'm like the opposite when I tackle a new situation overly optimistic coming out badly burned. :laugh:

I'm really negative with the past.

Si doesnt mean that you are stuck in the past. It is a subjective sensory function that takes in information from the past. The fact that you have negative experiences with the past may suggest tert/inferior Si though. Would you say your relationship with Si is more complete negative or is it something you deny yet find yourself indulging in when stressed. (For me i engage in inferior Si by watching childhood cartoons for the nostgla for instance depsite the fact most of the time i deny Si).
 

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Well I don't know, but re your scenario, it could have been any of those things. Or - I can say Fi users aren't 'consistent' in outward feelings/behaviors, so maybe she's an Fi user and the fact she's usually kind and wasn't last night could very well just be her mood last night.

But surely Fe users can deal with Fi users right? I mean Fe just can't only work with Fe users.. it kind of wouldn't make sense.

True, anyhow I don't think it was terribly life-changing what she felt towards me or somebody else. It was closing time and she's just probably tired and I just may have to have the guts and the quickness to ask at that moment (hard for Pi introverts) what she is feeling.
 

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I actually did the first two. Regarding the first one, I stopped as I thought that it wasn't making sense and I was thinking by useless stereotypes. But I definitely imagined and read something about the Europe-shifted-many-kilometres-south thing or something like that, I just can't remember when.
Dante would be so proud of how you applied the retaliation law, by the way.

Hey i had a conversation about how the Seven Deadly sins would manifest at a house party. Pride is that guy who wears suits and goes around boasting, Gluttony is that guy first at the table and last to leave it, sloth the guy who couldn't be bothered to hand out the invitations, wrath the guy who gets angry and starts fighting, Greed the one who takes money when no one is looking, lust the pervert who feels up women and envy the one stood in the corner wishing he had everything.
 

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My therapist said that when I told her different perspectives of just one instance and she thought something was wrong with my brain lol.

Me an ISFJ? :p I'd be an incredibly different SJ due to strong disagreements I have had in the past with Si types. They see so differently than me. It's like they're content in the situation where everything is the same even if it's shitty. It makes no sense to me. (I perceive it to be terrible but to them, consistency > possibilities)

I was someone who'd always switch up everything when I teach something even to my own detriment. If anything I'm much more likely to be Ne than Si. I also make tons of mistakes due to lack of preparedness. Si types tend to be defensive pessimistic and I'm like the opposite when I tackle a new situation overly optimistic coming out badly burned. :laugh:

I'm really negative with the past.

You ever looked into Socionics? The farce of MBTI Si is one of the most loathsome ideas I have ever come across. My girlfriend is an xSFJ and she's one of the most impulsive people you'll meet. She's... wild.

And if Si is bad enough, inferior Ne somehow seems to correlate with anxiety in any way possible. No, we're all anxious about something. It's ridiculous.
 

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Si doesnt mean that you are stuck in the past. It is a subjective sensory function that takes in information from the past. The fact that you have negative experiences with the past may suggest tert/inferior Si though. Would you say your relationship with Si is more complete negative or is it something you deny yet find yourself indulging in when stressed. (For me i engage in inferior Si by watching childhood cartoons for the nostgla for instance depsite the fact most of the time i deny Si).

It could, but it could also mean devil 8th Si as well where only going back to that function pretty much hurts me and is never useful except in extremely rare situations.

I mean having Ne as first or second would mean I would be springing with possibilities both positive AND negative and all believing them to be true right? Intuition in the external world especially. Ne can have strong enthusiasm for a lot more subjects than Ni. I've been pretty narrow in my field of interests.

Interesting you say it's something I indulge when I am stressed. I sometimes do miss things that I have from the past as a child and wish I could see the toys I've had for nostalgic effect or desire to see my old preschool/daycare but I don't make it a #1 priority in my life. I once in a while go to older music I've listened to when I am young but the nostalgia really lasts short. Or if I buy a pokemon game, it's like somehow it was never the same experience when I was a child. I've also considered being an ENFP but not really an ENTP. I dislike thrift stores. Although I appreciate when someone has been creative enough with old things but it doesn't dazzle me like modern fashion does.

The type of fashion I like is subtle and regal. (if I had money of course lol) I tend to buy things of higher quality and end up having less than more items. I've sometimes spent my whole savings on fancy clothes and I'd feel so out of place when all I am is but a student. I'm a terrible spender. I think Ne types enjoy art in a much different way than I do. I love the feeling of newness.
 

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Te really makes me want to rebel for some reason as it tramples on my Ti sense of logic. (I am like YOU CANT TELL ME WHAT TO DO AND THINK I HAVE MY OWN MIND SCREW YOU TE) plus it tramples on my Fe as well. I like to think of Ti/Fe types (Both TPs and FJs) as being like the friendly nurse (She is acting all friendly) but with that nasty looking syringe as being Ti (I am cold, sociopathc and uncaring on the inside). I can act all warm and happy on the outside while being empty and cold on the inside. Like a baked Alaska i can be hot on the outside but on the inside there is no warmth at all.

I can somewhat relate to this.

My husband jokes that my super-power is to have anyone love me but only for five minutes "before the disdain starts to show

I am naturally friendly, I can easily turn on the charm when I need to.
A great example are the employees at coffee shops and restaurants I frequent. I can strike up a conversation with a new employee that will make others think we've been friends for years. I even make a game of seeing how long it takes for them to put down what they're doing and greet me. (Usually less than a week)
My husbands tells me that when he goes to these places without me they do recognize him, but only as " That guy who shows up with Nichole." and always asks " You want her usual right? Oh...did you want something too?" and with a sigh he just tells them to "Make two of hers."

Those people probably think that I have a million friends- they would be wrong. Truth is I have a hard time getting along with most people and am aware that if I really knew them, I'd probably want nothing to do with them and more often than not, really don't give a shit what they have to say as I find most people to be boring, entitled,and extremely petty. Yeah, I am an E. I love being around people that I like, people who are engaging and make me feel alive.
That is not most people. I do not like most people. I cannot even relate to them. Even the friends that I do have, I cannot be around for long. Unless we are sharing in a pre-planned activity which requires a lot of attention.
They do not know how to be engaging or even interesting. Their idea of "conversation" is just spewing the same 3 memes of the month every 5 seconds ( saw them for Thanksgiving. I had never before heard the phrase " Dwarf intensifies" but within those three hours I had heard it so many times that if I ever hear it again I'm going to murder them with an Ice pick.
And, that sort of thing is very common here in Nerdopolis. TBH, nothing makes me feel so nihilistic as having to stand there and listen to that shit.

Sometimes it gets me a little down, but then I visit my husbands family; they are very rich, ambitious, friendly, successful people and they love me.
 

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It could, but it could also mean devil 8th Si as well where only going back to that function pretty much hurts me and is never useful except in extremely rare situations.

I mean having Ne as first or second would mean I would be springing with possibilities both positive AND negative and all believing them to be true right? Intuition in the external world especially. Ne can have strong enthusiasm for a lot more subjects than Ni. I've been pretty narrow in my field of interests.

Interesting you say it's something I indulge when I am stressed. I sometimes do miss things that I have from the past as a child and wish I could see the toys I've had for nostalgic effect or desire to see my old preschool/daycare but I don't make it a #1 priority in my life. I once in a while go to older music I've listened to when I am young but the nostalgia really lasts short. Or if I buy a pokemon game, it's like somehow it was never the same experience when I was a child. I've also considered being an ENFP but not really an ENTP. I dislike thrift stores. Although I appreciate when someone has been creative enough with old things but it doesn't dazzle me like modern fashion does.

The type of fashion I like is subtle and regal. (if I had money of course lol) I tend to buy things of higher quality and end up having less than more items. I've sometimes spent my whole savings on fancy clothes and I'd feel so out of place when all I am is but a student. I'm a terrible spender. I think Ne types enjoy art in a much different way than I do. I love the feeling of newness.

It seems that you have Se not Si in your stack. You have that love of luxury i associate with Se types. It is strange that you have nostagla though but it seems to be more a human thing. The fact you have narrow interests means we can probably rule out Ne dom as personally i hate being forced to specialise but instead broadening outwards.
 

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You ever looked into Socionics? The farce of MBTI Si is one of the most loathsome ideas I have ever come across. My girlfriend is an xSFJ and she's one of the most impulsive people you'll meet. She's... wild.

And if Si is bad enough, inferior Ne somehow seems to correlate with anxiety in any way possible. No, we're all anxious about something. It's ridiculous.

Oh I don't want to deal with the mess of socionics until I have gotten sure of my understanding of MBTI haha. I really don't like their Fe description. And I'm trusting you on the Si.

It seems that you have Se not Si in your stack. You have that love of luxury i associate with Se types. It is strange that you have nostagla though but it seems to be more a human thing.

Yes, sometimes it may be easy to put emotions or things like nostalgia into someone's preferences but nostalgia may be universal. I guess when I say I miss certain things I miss the feel of comfort. Like for example the toy that I slept with as a child, I felt it was a lost friend or an action figure I loved playing a lot and even want to personify. One may argue that's Fi. When nostalgia is related to emotional events. Or the daycare where I was emotionally and lightly physically abused. <- Anytime I start talking about that place, I immediately start crying I was like there from 4 to 6 years old.
 

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But surely Fe users can deal with Fi users right? I mean Fe just can't only work with Fe users.. it kind of wouldn't make sense.

True, anyhow I don't think it was terribly life-changing what she felt towards me or somebody else. It was closing time and she's just probably tired and I just may have to have the guts and the quickness to ask at that moment (hard for Pi introverts) what she is feeling.

Well sure, I was mostly just responding to your comment re external behaviors being inconsistent and that being difficult for Ti?

Ofc not all Fi users are the same, it's a matter of getting to know them, to be able to assess for example which of the things you outlined was most likely what was going on with her.

I can only speak for myself in the context of working in a coffee shop. I think Fe users generally speaking are better able to be 'On' for every customer, for most of their shift (unless they're having a bad day), whereas it's a lot harder for Fi users I think. It's really hard for me, for example, to be Fe-polite/engaging as a mode of being. So I'm probably gonna be your barista who's chipper one day, pretty quiet/disengaged/attempting-to-stay-and-be-polite- but- mostly-untalkative the next, etc. Also, I do engage with customers differently -- I don't have a one-size-fits-all behavior. So I'll engage a lot more with some people than with others. I think Fe users are generally better at more across-the-board applying the same level of engagement to everyone. (Just speculating here, I don't think it's a hard and fast rule)
 

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Well sure, I was mostly just responding to your comment re external behaviors being inconsistent and that being difficult for Ti?

Ofc not all Fi users are the same, it's a matter of getting to know them, to be able to assess for example which of the things you outlined was most likely what was going on with her.

I can only speak for myself in the context of working in a coffee shop. I think Fe users generally speaking are better able to be 'On' for every customer, for most of their shift (unless they're having a bad day), whereas it's a lot harder for Fi users I think. It's really hard for me, for example, to be Fe-polite/engaging as a mode of being. So I'm probably gonna be your barista who's chipper one day, pretty quiet/disengaged/attempting-to-stay-and-be-polite- but- mostly-untalkative the next, etc. Also, I do engage with customers differently -- I don't have a one-size-fits-all behavior. So I'll engage a lot more with some people than with others. I think Fe users are generally better at more across-the-board applying the same level of engagement to everyone. (Just speculating here, I don't think it's a hard and fast rule)

That about sums it up. I notice that while i am not as skilled as the XXFJ types i am good at modifying my tone and emotional expression to adapt to the situation while the Fi users i know really struggle to do that. In a way i am wearing masks :):):):) (On the other side of the mask :ng_mad:) with people so i can keep the emotional atmosphere. However Fi users are more like drizzly clouds as they can get the negativity out in controllable doses while for me the Ti scalpel can be like that one black cloud in the sky suddenly striking on a otherwise sunny and calm day and letting out that :ranting:.
 

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I'm leaving this here:
What if I were nothing but a looping ISFJ?
 

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I'm leaving this here:
What if I were nothing but a looping ISFJ?

Any extroverted function i have seen from you has been Ne. I have not seen any Fe at all from you :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D. You are very INTP.

This be like the pokemon when they dont know what type they are. Squritle came to me this morning asking if he was a rock type because he has a hard shell but i said to him that you ooze water everywhere so you must be water not rock. What i am saying here is that while you like Squirtle may have superficial tratis of ISFJ overall you are INTP.
 

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Well sure, I was mostly just responding to your comment re external behaviors being inconsistent and that being difficult for Ti?

Ofc not all Fi users are the same, it's a matter of getting to know them, to be able to assess for example which of the things you outlined was most likely what was going on with her.

I can only speak for myself in the context of working in a coffee shop. I think Fe users generally speaking are better able to be 'On' for every customer, for most of their shift (unless they're having a bad day), whereas it's a lot harder for Fi users I think. It's really hard for me, for example, to be Fe-polite/engaging as a mode of being. So I'm probably gonna be your barista who's chipper one day, pretty quiet/disengaged/attempting-to-stay-and-be-polite- but- mostly-untalkative the next, etc. Also, I do engage with customers differently -- I don't have a one-size-fits-all behavior. So I'll engage a lot more with some people than with others. I think Fe users are generally better at more across-the-board applying the same level of engagement to everyone. (Just speculating here, I don't think it's a hard and fast rule)

Right, right of course. I just sometimes don't have the finesse of being social sometimes and it bugs me sometimes why something that little should be bugging me. I'm like always aware of others. I don't even have a word to express that feeling of what I just said.

There are some really jerk customers. Eventually sometimes my job as a cashier I got so detached from mean ordinary people, this one mean guy.. I literally looked up at the ceiling just waiting for him to get out. (Not him in particular, but was just tired of being treated like an object where I tried my best to smile at every customer, do my absolute best in packing their bags, remembering what cannot mix with what, the placement of certain items and just got really really I mean REALLY apathetic, nobody ever considered what I was feeling except that one customer out of like hundreds but even then she was trying to empathize on something entirely unrelated but nice that she tried) sometimes I was pathetically slow because of my perfectionism and then my nagging self told me that there is a line waiting, and then me worrying about what my emotion I am displaying on my face. There are some days where I show no emotion and other days it is plastered all over my face.

To those who haven't worked retail my advice to anyone reading this: DON'T DO IT

It'd probably be the same and the things I hear about starbucks is that some people are so freaking particular about how one little drink should be like. Food must be 10x more difficult than me just bagging prepared food and clothes.
 

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Right, right of course. I just sometimes don't have the finesse of being social sometimes and it bugs me sometimes why something that little should be bugging me. I'm like always aware of others. I don't even have a word to express that feeling of what I just said.

There are some really jerk customers. Eventually sometimes my job as a cashier I got so detached from mean ordinary people, this one mean guy.. I literally looked up at the ceiling just waiting for him to get out. (Not him in particular, but was just tired of being treated like an object where I tried my best to smile at every customer, do my absolute best in packing their bags, remembering what cannot mix with what, the placement of certain items and just got really really I mean REALLY apathetic, nobody ever considered what I was feeling except that one customer out of like hundreds but even then she was trying to empathize on something entirely unrelated but nice that she tried) sometimes I was pathetically slow because of my perfectionism and then my nagging self told me that there is a line waiting, and then me worrying about what my emotion I am displaying on my face. There are some days where I show no emotion and other days it is plastered all over my face.

To those who haven't worked retail my advice to anyone reading this: DON'T DO IT

It'd probably be the same and the things I hear about starbucks is that some people are so freaking particular about how one little drink should be like. Food must be 10x more difficult than me just bagging prepared food and clothes.

Yeah.... retail is pretty challenging due to the people element alone. It's a test for any 'people person' -- because customers can absolutely wear you down if you let them. Thankfully most customers are decent, but yes, I'd say maybe 5% are really rude, condescending, and/or demanding (and/or distrustful, thus they expect you to fail/get something wrong and treat you from the get-go as if you will), and then there's another maybe 10 or 15% that I'll say are just generally oblivious to anything outside themselves -- thus they aren't even aware if they're holding up the line, or things like that.
 

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Any extroverted function i have seen from you has been Ne. I have not seen any Fe at all from you :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D. You are very INTP.

This be like the pokemon when they dont know what type they are. Squritle came to me this morning asking if he was a rock type because he has a hard shell but i said to him that you ooze water everywhere so you must be water not rock. What i am saying here is that while you like Squirtle may have superficial tratis of ISFJ overall you are INTP.

I do have some Fe. And I think I use it quite a lot, but in a bad way. I don't know if it's unhealthy because of the ISFJ loop or just immature because fourth function in an INTP's stack. Overall I'm a girl, so it's unlikely for me to be an IxTP.
 

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I do have some Fe. And I think I use it quite a lot, but in a bad way. I don't know if it's unhealthy because of the ISFJ loop or just immature because fourth function in an INTP's stack. Overall I'm a girl, so it's unlikely for me to be an IxTP.

Of course just because you are not a Fe male doesn't mean to say you cant be IxTP. There are plenty of female dom thinking types on this forum (The only one i know off so far is [MENTION=29849]Yuu[/MENTION]) who is an ENTJ which is another dom thinker but there are probably many i do not know off (Feel free to chime in). Your Ti was off the charts in your questionnaire and while i did see some Si it wasn't dripping off you like a Si dom. I would say INTP in Ti-Si loop> ISFJ in Si-Ti loop for you.. I also know dom feeling males with [MENTION=29179]Rouskyrie[/MENTION] who out ENFJs all the female ENFJs on this thread.
 

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Yeah.... retail is pretty challenging due to the people element alone. It's a test for any 'people person' -- because customers can absolutely wear you down if you let them. Thankfully most customers are decent, but yes, I'd say maybe 5% are really rude, condescending, and/or demanding (and/or distrustful, thus they expect you to fail/get something wrong and treat you from the get-go as if you will), and then there's another maybe 10 or 15% that I'll say are just generally oblivious to anything outside themselves -- thus they aren't even aware if they're holding up the line, or things like that.

Haha and those who are oblivious can just walk and take their time (not even old) and people take their anger on me, not on that person. It's like I can somehow change their attitude. In this day and age where the customer is treated like gold, I cannot betray the ethics of my company by telling her to hurry. Oh and the horrors of coupon people. Not just having coupons in the bottomless pits of their purses but the ones who try to scam you with coupons and ending up making money off of you lol (of course they won't give you any of their cut). I am being paid a near minimum wage per hour and it's ridiculous. I almost broke down twice for the 7 months I worked at my last job before going back to school as a full time student. But my bosses loved me.
 
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