OK.
Thought experiment: what would the conversation look like if you were the one who happened to be wrong? How might people engage in a dialogue with you? Because your "presumptuous" is another person's "Dude I've been quietly staying away from sharing my uninvited opinions until Lark posted in the thread and brought it up and I'm pretty sure it's collectively understood and we were just being polite."
Really? That is interesting, it certainly belies the fact that some members of the forum are spending more time thinking about me than I am about them, which perhaps is something they could spend time reflecting upon. As we are trying thought experiments and as the Beatles put it "trying to see it my way", I paraphrase but you get the idea, isnt it interesting that the posts and responses directed at me are varigated and in turn solicit a different response from me? That in itself ought to be enough to prove telling, unless you're too emotionally invested to consider, compare and contrast that.
Anyway, this is quickly becoming personal and emotionally charged and I dont see it going any place other than already pissed off people becoming more so, with the possibility of an escalation which I've successfully avoided before now by simply breaking of the discussion. So, like I've said to others participating in the thread, thanks for contributing. Its been useful.
Its a bit of a derail dont you think too?