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Pionart

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Well, obviously I don't share your faith. I was raised Protestant, Anglican, but even from a very early age I had little interest in the religion of our church and was always more fascinated with its workings, the organ, the structure of the building, the placement of certain objects, the meaning of symbolism and the architecture.

In other words I had a yearning to comprehend and in doing so I had to open a lot of metaphorically dangerous doors which meant I couldn't rely upon the comforts of faith. Sadly I also learned with time that empiricism is inherently wrapped up with the senses and can be as easily fooled as they are.

I'm not sure what should or shouldn't be forgiven, I've not been directly faced with the unforgivable crime, have you?

I'm not sure what you mean by the last line; are you referring to blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?


It's not necessary to "share the faith" in order to consider the possibility that various aspects of Biblical teachings may have merit. "Share the faith" sounds like an all or nothing thing, where anything Biblical is either accepted or rejected, but perhaps you could see it as a collection of wise teachings and prophecies (relating both to past and future) and see what is said in it. After all, 10 years ago I was not "of the faith", but now the Bible is the main book I read.

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I feel the need to make a mention of off-topic posts: is it a productive requirement that posts be on topic? Should it not be, rather, that wisdom is to be shared when the opportunity arises?
 

Cellmold

Wake, See, Sing, Dance
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I'm not sure what you mean by the last line; are you referring to blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?


It's not necessary to "share the faith" in order to consider the possibility that various aspects of Biblical teachings may have merit. "Share the faith" sounds like an all or nothing thing, where anything Biblical is either accepted or rejected, but perhaps you could see it as a collection of wise teachings and prophecies (relating both to past and future) and see what is said in it. After all, 10 years ago I was not "of the faith", but now the Bible is the main book I read.

I'm not talking about blasphemy, I'm talking about the viscerality of human activity, that's easy to intellectualise, but difficult to experience. As for what I said about faith, that was more the observation of what is required for appreciating religious messages, whether intended in a black and white matter or not.

Though you are right, you can take a good virtue or message from any source and there is a strong underpinning, particularly in the West, of morality that owes its proliferation to the Bible, if not necessarily it's origins.

I guess this is a bit off-topic. Ok, I'm mistyped as nobody when I ought to be somebody.
 

Luminous

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Someone is mistyped as a "new" member.
 

Vendrah

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Well, maybe I am quite a crazy guy, I had come from sciences related to math area, and althought a lot of people which I studied with would get sick with [MENTION=15392]Cellmold[/MENTION] and [MENTION=22833]Legion[/MENTION] discussion, I quite enjoy this philosophical discussion, this is the second topic which it happens and I am a happy reader on these off-topics. I quite appreciatte the tolerance for MODs for this.

I think you're right about the future of typology, but my position is that this would be a result of accepting more and more nebulous and unscientific ideas into the realm of the soft sciences, which has been an ongoing trend for a while now. Though empiricism has its limitations and flaws, it is still probably the best method for helping to develop out and determine ideas, even for less hard science areas. My issue with type is that all the data seems to rely upon a set of assumptions, such as people of a certain job testing as certain types more frequently, but the problem is that descriptions of those types and their cognitive functions are conveniently set up to match the kinds of mentalities that one would have to adopt in order to perform certain tasks and jobs. And people can be more adaptable than we give credit for, not to mention a lack of self-awareness leading to incorrect assumptions about your own nature.

This leads into expanding on what you asked about. So what I mean is (probably disappointingly) simple. The abstract ideals a person might hold, like not harming others, not being underhanded, lying or manipulative, treating others with dignity, respect, fairness and equality, not letting your worst emotions and excesses get the better of you etc.... and then the higher ideals for the benefit of human beings in general, which tend to arise out of those personal virtues, well I've come to understand through exposure that they often don't always hold up in the face of the actual world in which we have to live.

This is not to say one should abandon virtue or higher ideals, but that they are very easy to corrupt and the most rigid ones do not survive contact with certain situations. For example, sometimes you find yourself moved to a violence you might abhor due to the circumstances you find yourself in.

And in general I find people are more given to abandoning those ideals than holding onto them and it seems very easy, on average, to discard them when necessary. Picture the nightmare scenario of having to save either yourself or someone else, now imagine that this came about because of a sudden and terrifying event, whether man-made or natural, it doesn't matter. If you've ever seen people trying to get away from something and trampling each other to do so, it's hard to imagine turning back the tide with good words and intentions.

I'm not saying that we are inherently evil or good, just that we are extremely flawed and a lot of the ideals people hold are untested against that flawed nature and would have to either adapt or break under certain circumstances. Another problem is that intelligence is not always a barrier against cruel acts, character matters as much, if not more.

From a neurological point of view our frontal lobes play an important part in determining, and actually inhibiting, the other more primitive areas of the brain which give rise to these cruel and often desperate acts, from areas like the amygdala that, under duress, can suddenly consume the more reasonable functioning areas of the brain with fight or flight responses. Hence why it's called an amygdala hijack.

And we have the power of denial, which is incredibly strong in human beings and I think that allows us to build civilisations while having large swathes of the population who can barely function in a civil manner. But most survive through denial, by avoiding situations that would challenge any ideas of civility and notions of virtue, by putting our faith in systems that rely on bureaucracy and precedence, which are lumbering and slow to act and even slower to resolve.

We exist in a flawed relationship with ourselves and that needs to be taken into account when considering virtues, ideals, ethics and morality. And maybe the endless struggle is to fight with those cruel parts of our nature, perhaps never knowing any peace from it.

I know Im going to be a little bit shallow here, but I think that you always expect people who try to be good, virtuous and idealists are trying to be perfect people, like there is a chained link between being perfect and being good, virtuous, idealistic, which is not actually realistic (ok, maybe the entire discussion isnt much realistic at all but I think you get the point). Being good or virtuous or idealistic is not really about being perfect, so, even in the Jesus example you were most talking about perfection than being good.

In this good/evil discussion, there is always an expectancy of good to be perfect and evil to be flawed, but the flawed and perfection, in most terms, arent related to this. Someone that does quite a perfect work can be evil, and someone who does a poor work, has his own struggles, difficulties, can be a good person either. It is realistic to expect a good, virtuous person or whatver, has his own flaws, her own weakness, and etc..
 

Earl Grey

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Once upon a time!! I thought I was!! A heavily, heavily looping I-FJ, once, upon! A TIME,

EDIT: Once upon an even funnier time, I thought, I was! A, sp/sx,
 

Lady Lazarus

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I feel like what makes 4 such a weird typing to me is that I am so insensitive and that I do not care about or even consider my image at all, I only care about what I am not what I seem to be. Though it's not as if I'm not aware that most people who think this is my type are applying it superficially paint by numbers style.
 

Saturnal Snowqueen

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When I first joined this site, everyone seemed to agree with INFP. Nowadays I'm getting a lot of ISFJ typings(like on Discord and a couple on here). Do you guys think I seem more ISFJ or INFP? I feel like I have a good grasp on Si, but it could be cause of it being my relief function. My man says I show lots of Si but that I seem more Fi than Fe.
 

Lady Lazarus

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Convince me I'm not a 9 sp/sx IxxP
You seem to share my turbulence and especially so with regards to being though it's more of an undercurrent with you than it is with me for reasons I understand but can't put to words. Sp 9's have less motion going on, they seem more capable of existing in elegant simplicity. Only sexual 9's appear to be able to think about being enough to bring out turbulence and more motion. We are perceptive to the ways in which we are not being when we take on narratives via the classic e9 desire to short cut into having a personality by forming identity attachments when we're not at our best.
 

Peter Deadpan

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I feel like what makes 4 such a weird typing to me is that I am so insensitive and that I do not care about or even consider my image at all, I only care about what I am not what I seem to be. Though it's not as if I'm not aware that most people who think this is my type are applying it superficially paint by numbers style.

You don't look elsewhere to things you do not possess in order to "find yourself".
 

Lady Lazarus

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You don't look elsewhere to things you do not possess in order to "find yourself".

I feel as if I have developed such a "self-rebellious" style of going about these things that it's not evident at this point that I do by nature. My other account from when I was younger and less strategic, does a far better job of making this more overt, imo. I had to learn to force myself to look as much inward as I could for authority on myself, it's not natural but it was necessary in order to retain control over myself. I am still not perfectly exempt from the external and I saw this recently as a person who is no longer at the higher levels of health. When I compare not looking elsewhere in my deliberate thinking and doing so in my more instinctive actions to ask the external for guidance, I see the former as more conscious and primarily about gaining control over the latter.

Of course, you're obviously one of the two people I take a 4 typing seriously from and I do actually have trouble reconciling this aspect perfectly, it's very not painting by numbers.
 

Lady Lazarus

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When I first joined this site, everyone seemed to agree with INFP. Nowadays I'm getting a lot of ISFJ typings(like on Discord and a couple on here). Do you guys think I seem more ISFJ or INFP? I feel like I have a good grasp on Si, but it could be cause of it being my relief function. My man says I show lots of Si but that I seem more Fi than Fe.

I think you're an INFP. If I may be so inane in my reasoning, you do not give me the absurdly basic-bitch impression of those who I think are also ISFJ. I find them perfectly comprehensible overall and relatable to the person I was in my teens often regardless of their age. There's something ever so slightly more diverging about you, something that doesn't cling quite as perfectly and carefully to all of the normative. Self-preservation 9 is an incredibly Si type so to speak.
 

Peter Deadpan

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I feel as if I have developed such a "self-rebellious" style of going about these things that it's not evident at this point that I do by nature. My other account from when I was younger and less strategic, does a far better job of making this more overt, imo. I had to learn to force myself to look as much inward as I could for authority on myself, it's not natural but it was necessary in order to retain control over myself. I am still not perfectly exempt from the external and I saw this recently as a person who is no longer at the higher levels of health. When I compare not looking elsewhere in my deliberate thinking and doing so in my more instinctive actions to ask the external for guidance, I see the former as more conscious and primarily about gaining control over the latter.

Of course, you're obviously one of the two people I take a 4 typing seriously from and I do actually have trouble reconciling this aspect perfectly, it's very not painting by numbers.

I was actually saying that you don't do what 4s do (sometimes things get a little lost in translation, but I think maybe you thought I was saying otherwise?).

If I were to type you, I'd say INFJ 9w8 Sx/Sp. You are 4-ish, but I don't think an actual 4. You don't seem as pained by (or vocal about) being different and you have more of a focus on autonomy than image validation. Of course, I could be wrong, but that's what I'm seeing.
 
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