Jaguar
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What if you don't like arguing with people, but you're constantly arguing with yourself?
Can you demonstrate?
What if you don't like arguing with people, but you're constantly arguing with yourself?
Can you demonstrate?
I never stop.
If I argue about how argumentative I am, does that mean I'm not an INFJ?
Likewise, although I'm sure I've told you this more than once in the past.9w1
I like your avatar.
How would a 8w9 and a 9w8 differ?
9w8 is a pillar that's hard to push over. Nonetheless, it usually just sorta stands there.
8w9 is a steamship that allows nothing to get in its way. Nonetheless, it's able to drop its anchor and sit for awhile.
So, 9w8 completely passive and 8w9 in "tank" mode that calms down for a while?
But what about their relation with anger?
OMG I actually relate to this. I have all kinds of inner conflicts - one is a super Mulder and Scully debate that never ends. I cannot stand to argue with other people though and tend to see both sides of arguments between external people, although that doesn't mean I equally agree with everything. The constant inner debate is almost torturous at times and involves a great deal of self-doubt and questioning. I don't have any idea how the majority of people can be so sure of their perspectives. Very confusing.What if you don't like arguing with people, but you're constantly arguing with yourself?
OMG I actually relate to this. I have all kinds of inner conflicts - one is a super Mulder and Scully debate that never ends. I cannot stand to argue with other people though and tend to see both sides of arguments between external people, although that doesn't mean I equally agree with everything. The constant inner debate is almost torturous at times and involves a great deal of self-doubt and questioning. I don't have any idea how the majority of people can be so sure of their perspectives. Very confusing.
OMG I actually relate to this. I have all kinds of inner conflicts - one is a super Mulder and Scully debate that never ends. I cannot stand to argue with other people though and tend to see both sides of arguments between external people, although that doesn't mean I equally agree with everything. The constant inner debate is almost torturous at times and involves a great deal of self-doubt and questioning. I don't have any idea how the majority of people can be so sure of their perspectives. Very confusing.
I wouldn't say that any healthy person of any type is completely passive.
But, as a general rule, 8s have a need for physical expansion. This can be taking up and using space with their bodies, or using a loud voice, or having an arrogant, boastful, just generally confident presence. They basically lack apology for existing.
9s are inherently somewhat the opposite. They are more floaty or grounded in presentation to others. They are earthy, like stationary roots, or gaseous like a passing cloud. They will sooner "apologize for existing", which may show in a tendency to sway according to the winds around them, like a willow tree.
As far as anger goes, and I'm going somewhat anecdotally from my personal experience with these types, 8s are sudden, intense, frightening, and more entitled. 9s can be sudden, but more 6ish in that they are often reacting personally, defensively, and sensitively. It may seem like more of an overreaction from them rooted within, whereas 8s obliterate the issue in a way that owns the situation and the world around them. You may be left wondering what the fuck happened with an 8, whereas a 9 might have some good points, or even be laughable in their overreaction (showing that connection to 6).
At least this rules off e1 once for all.[MENTION=29978]Methylene[/MENTION] - I think my anger comparison was somewhat narrow and doesn't represent the full spectrum. For example, most healthy 8s don't actually have to use excessive anger to assert their dominance. But, I find it is helpful to look at the gut types via how they physically express a gut energy moreso than how they express anger, how they move through the world. 8s are expansive and expressive, seeking intensity in all that they do. 1s are rigid and controlled, like they are propped up with a pole that comes from their gut and holds the rest of their body up. 9s appear either self-rooted or somewhat formless in how they carry themselves.
I'm probably not explaining this well, so hopefully it makes some sense.