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[Yuurei]

[MENTION=23915]Hawthorne[/MENTION] I typed you so far as IxTJ by working backwards with your shadow functions. I can't figure if you prefer Si Ne or Ni Se

...that's a very clever way to do that. Maybe I'll try it next time I have trouble.

 

[Smilephantomhive]

What do you think my sociotype is?



Expression.

I really hate expressing my emotions. Hate it. It makes me emotionally vulnerable. But when I'm swept over by strong emotions, you can tell. I'm easy to read. If I'm anxious and panicky, you know. If I'm happy, you know. If I'm angry, you know. Not necessarily because of words, but because of body language that I can't hide.

I think you have Fe but with Ni because you relate to the past aspect of Si in mbti, but not the physical sensation aspect of Si in socionoics. Ni in socionics focuses on time in general. I'm not a socionics expert, but I just know that you don't fit the socionics definition of si.


While I'm on this thread I'l share my opinions with others.
[MENTION=26674]theforsaken[/MENTION] ISFJ
[MENTION=1206]cascadeco[/MENTION] ISFJ
[MENTION=20829]Hard[/MENTION] ESTJ
[MENTION=6561]OrangeAppled[/MENTION] ISFP
[MENTION=22178]magpie[/MENTION] INFP
[MENTION=9627]Xann[/MENTION] ENTJ

 

[Forever]

...that's a very clever way to do that. Maybe I'll try it next time I have trouble.

I think it's only best to judge that way have you seen the person for a while and the conscious functions aren't that apparent. Use at your own discretion lol.

 

[Yuurei]

I think it's only best to judge that way have you seen the person for a while and the conscious functions aren't that apparent. Use at your own discretion lol.

It's how I typed my husband. I always knewhe's an INFX and recently decided on J.

I noted how he looses his absolute shit when when things do not exactly as planned. Even when the change is not even negative.

One of the best examples was when we first moved in together:

Me: I just realized that our bed frame wont fit through the bedroom door...
Him:*super fucking angry* Whaaat!? Well then what the fuck are we supposed to !?
Me: Take it apart and put it together inside the bedroom.
Him:GODDAMNIT NO!
Then he went off and pouted over it and my broken ass had to put it together myself.

...then I noticed that he takes a notebook and pen with him everywhere. I know it's also attributed to creative types-and he is- but without his notebooks he " can't even."

 

[Forever]

It's how I typed my husband. I always knewhe's an INFX and recently decided on J.

I noted how he looses his absolute shit when when things do not exactly as planned. Even when the change is not even negative.

One of the best examples was when we first moved in together:

Me: I just realized that our bed frame wont fit through the bedroom door...
Him:*super fucking angry* Whaaat!? Well then what the fuck are we supposed to !?
Me: Take it apart and put it together inside the bedroom.
Him:GODDAMNIT NO!
Then he went off and pouted over it and my broken ass had to put it together myself.

...then I noticed that he takes a notebook and pen with him everywhere. I know it's also attributed to creative types-and he is- but without his notebooks he " can't even."

I mean sure I get irritated only if you kept ignoring that I knew the better way and your way didn't work but I don't get THAT angry even then. But I don't blow up over things like that, my category of extreme anger is more of social issues.

He may be more of Te (J) than Fe (J). But then again Idk him.

INFJ's are flexible, they're the least judging out of all EJ and IJ types lol. They're slightly judging. INJ's are like sometimes mocked for being "lazy." They want alone time to daydream about how to plan reality and even then their plans are very loose form. Very impressionistic and not concrete like. (TJ's probably much more concrete than FJ's)

ENTJ and ESTJ are like probably the highest out of all judging types.

And IP's can be very judging if they haven't developed their auxiliary perceiving function well.

 

[Yama]

I think you have Fe but with Ni because you relate to the past aspect of Si in mbti, but not the physical sensation aspect of Si in socionoics. Ni in socionics focuses on time in general. I'm not a socionics expert, but I just know that you don't fit the socionics definition of si.

IEI or EIE?

 

[Smilephantomhive]

IEI or EIE?

Idk, I haven't got that far yet.

 

[cascadeco]

I think you have Fe but with Ni because you relate to the past aspect of Si in mbti, but not the physical sensation aspect of Si in socionoics. Ni in socionics focuses on time in general. I'm not a socionics expert, but I just know that you don't fit the socionics definition of si.


While I'm on this thread I'l share my opinions with others.

[MENTION=26674]theforsaken[/MENTION] ISFJ

[MENTION=1206]cascadeco[/MENTION] ISFJ

[MENTION=20829]Hard[/MENTION] ESTJ

[MENTION=6561]OrangeAppled[/MENTION] ISFP

[MENTION=22178]magpie[/MENTION] INFP

[MENTION=9627]Xann[/MENTION] ENTJ

I repped, but it might make more sense to ask here too. Socionics ISFp (thus socionics SiFe), socionics ISFj (thus FiSe), mbti ISFJ, or both? [I ask because I think socionics vs mbti definitions of cog functions are very different in a few cases, thus I'm pretty sure I type differently in both, though I don't bother with socionics]

 

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[OrangeAppled]

While I'm on this thread I'l share my opinions with others.

[MENTION=6561]OrangeAppled[/MENTION] ISFP

I suppose this gives me the opportunity to talk about myself....so I'll play. Why?

After reading [MENTION=1206]cascadeco[/MENTION] 's reply, it seems necessary to clarify if this is MBTI (letter dichotomies), Jungian types, or Socionics.

 

[Forever]

[MENTION=19700]Anaximander[/MENTION] I found this at PerC:

It's personality disorders based on loops:

ENTP/ESFJ: Ne/Fe or Fe/Ne--Narcissistic Personality Disorder. This type often behaves impulsively and manipulatively, needing constant approval and admiration from others, running around investing in new thing after new thing but never developing the self-confidence of a strong subjective perspective. Fe used negatively may use its awareness of the cultural standards of others to intentionally offend or upset them, in order to service Ne's curiosity about the patterns in their responses. If Ti/Si were working properly, it would give the user a balancing sense of personal, subjective importance and free him of his dependence upon the adulation and unconditional acceptance of others. (Horrible example: Patrick Bateman from American Psycho.)


INTP/ISFJ: Ti/Si or Si/Ti--Schizotypal Personality Disorder. I see this most commonly in INTP dom/tert loops (Ti+Si), resulting in totally giving up on attempting to obtain the social/interpersonal connections that inferior Fe drives them to unconsciously desire. Schizotypal people are seen (and typically see themselves) as having such unusual thoughts and behaviors that widespread social acceptance is nearly impossible. Ti thinks, "I cannot find any logical explanation for social rituals" and Si reinforces this self-isolating, risk-averse behavior by constantly reminding the user: "Remember how badly this went last time you tried?" If Ne were doing its job, it would remind the user to continue experimenting to find a new approach. In the ISFJ version, Si becomes ultra risk-averse and refuses to try anything new or unfamiliar. If Fe were doing its job, the ISFJ would learn that some risk is necessary in order to uphold obligations to others and avoid living in total solitude. Deep down, these types really do want social connection and ritual (Fe), but have found themselves so poor at it that they simply give up trying.


ESTP/ENFJ: Se/Fe or Fe/Se--Histrionic Personality Disorder. This tends to manifest itself in terms of exaggerated, aggressive sexual behavior and physical impulsiveness. Since reflecting the outer world is the only thing that matters, whatever will shock, impress, or otherwise affect others enough to include the user in their social rituals is what has to be done. Real empathy is rare as this type requires constant thrills or conflict--in the ENFJ version, this often results in excessive sensitivity to perceived "rudeness" or failure to respect the user's preferred cultural custom (Fe), combined with tertiary Se responding aggressively through implied threats of brute force. (e.g., Vito Corleone: "I'll make him an offer he can't refuse"--gives a surface appearance of respecting the cultural standards of negotiation, but implies that refusal to accept this "offer" would be quite unpleasant for the recipient!) If Ti/Ni were doing its job, the user would find a sense of balance and comfortability with himself, granting him the ability to discover what is subjectively important to him, rather than constantly shifting with the tide of cultural and social trends.


ISTP/INFJ: Ti/Ni or Ni/Ti--Schizoid Personality Disorder. These types are socially incompetent for lack of trying, because they see little to no value in significant interaction with others. They live in their own abstract worlds, constantly second-guessing themselves as Ti poses a framework for a problem and Ni shoots it down as too definitionally precise. Without any real external input, these two functions will dream up all sorts of elaborate systems and implications for them, only to repeat their own self-defeating behavior, never bothering to emphasize putting any of its intense ideas into practice. Frequent disregard for rules, laws and other forms of behavioral standards is common, as no function provides any significant sense of external influence. If Se/Fe were doing its job, the user would recognize the value of connecting with others and of paying attention to their needs, preferences, habits and appearances.


ESFP/ENTJ: Se/Te or Te/Se--Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder (not the same thing as OCD)! I've seen people mistake ESFPs in Se+Te dom-tert loops for ESTPs because they can be so insistent upon controlling their surroundings. These types epitomize enneagram type 8, as they are aggressive, blunt, confrontational and not the least bit afraid of hurting anyone's feelings. Inside they require the approval of others to a much higher degree than they let on, as Te insists on controlling and organizing external surroundings to ridiculous proportions, while Se pushes any naysayers out of the way with aggressive force and a take-no-prisoners attitude. Territorial and looking for any reason to display their power, these types are some of the most difficult to deal with of all dom-tert loops. If Fi/Ni were doing its job, these types would stop to consider that their actions have negative implications for others, and that aggressively taking charge is not always the best solution in every situation.


ISFP/INTJ: Fi/Ni or Ni/Fi--Paranoid Personality Disorder. These types are your typical conspiracy theorists; they cling deeply to their personal values and can find a conspiracy to assault or attack those values everywhere they look. Chronically distrustful of others' intentions for no legitimate reason, these types are certain they are the only ones who really know "the truth." The inferior function, Te or Se, can sometimes lead to an unconscious desire to attract the attention of or lead/organize others in efforts to expose the nefarious conspiracies they invariably see everywhere. If Te/Se were doing its job, these types would be able to look around them and observe empirical evidence that most of their theories are probably not reflected in reality, but as they rely almost entirely on internal validation, Ni will go to any lengths to justify Fi's emotion-based suspicions. (I mentioned Dale Gribble from King of the Hill in a previous article--he's a perfect example.) There's also this guy Victor on typologycentral who's such a perfect example of this it's absolutely ridiculous.


ENFP/ESTJ: Ne/Te or Te/Ne--Borderline Personality Disorder. The ENFP I described above may have been one of these types. They simultaneously desire to control and dazzle others with their extraordinary leadership and grandiose performances. For the ENFP, this tends to take the form of insisting on consistent, scheduled attention from others for his/her artistic or creative gifts, while for the ESTJ it tends to manifest itself in terms of indignation when others refuse to follow every detail of the user's "visionary" leadership style. This combination, ironically, makes the user extremely dependent upon others for meaning, never really finding a sense of internal balance, no matter how hard he works to create and delegate. While Te leads these types to desire structure and discipline, Ne continually contradicts it by insisting on impulsive displays of creative freedom. Often self-denigrating over the inability to control Ne's impulsive explorations, Te will go to any lengths to keep the user in a position of power and influence, where others must defer to his authority. If Fi/Si were doing its job, these types would recognize that what they're looking for cannot be found outside themselves--they must learn to sometimes live for themselves and only themselves, and forget about external results for a moment.


INFP/ISTJ: Fi/Si or Si/Fi--Avoidant Personality Disorder. Often scarred by some intensely negative past experience with opening up too many of their private emotions, this type compulsively avoids social situations and interaction with others. They are fiercely sensitive and may exaggerate or misconstrue perceived negative emotional intent in the words or actions of others. They will sometimes project their negative feelings onto others (Fi), as Si tells them that if I were to behave this way, I would have to be very upset, so anyone who behaves that way must also be. These types often have a chronic problem with trusting the intentions or motivations of others, refusing to share private information with even their closest friends and family. They are so deeply sensitive that they refuse to risk being hurt by attempting deep connections with others--you'll see this a lot in ISTJs with Asperger's. If Ne/Te were doing its job, these types would maintain a heathy grip on the importance of letting go of the past and trying something new in the name of accomplishing a greater goal, but some of these remain total recluses for most (if not all) of their lives.

link for reference: http://personalitycafe.com/articles/25205-dominant-tertiary-loops-common-personality-disorders.html

^ I didn't write the comment of Victor so don't be offended victor, I just copied pasta.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

[MENTION=19700]Anaximander[/MENTION] I found this at PerC:

It's personality disorders based on loops:

ENTP/ESFJ: Ne/Fe or Fe/Ne--Narcissistic Personality Disorder. This type often behaves impulsively and manipulatively, needing constant approval and admiration from others, running around investing in new thing after new thing but never developing the self-confidence of a strong subjective perspective. Fe used negatively may use its awareness of the cultural standards of others to intentionally offend or upset them, in order to service Ne's curiosity about the patterns in their responses. If Ti/Si were working properly, it would give the user a balancing sense of personal, subjective importance and free him of his dependence upon the adulation and unconditional acceptance of others. (Horrible example: Patrick Bateman from American Psycho.)


INTP/ISFJ: Ti/Si or Si/Ti--Schizotypal Personality Disorder. I see this most commonly in INTP dom/tert loops (Ti+Si), resulting in totally giving up on attempting to obtain the social/interpersonal connections that inferior Fe drives them to unconsciously desire. Schizotypal people are seen (and typically see themselves) as having such unusual thoughts and behaviors that widespread social acceptance is nearly impossible. Ti thinks, "I cannot find any logical explanation for social rituals" and Si reinforces this self-isolating, risk-averse behavior by constantly reminding the user: "Remember how badly this went last time you tried?" If Ne were doing its job, it would remind the user to continue experimenting to find a new approach. In the ISFJ version, Si becomes ultra risk-averse and refuses to try anything new or unfamiliar. If Fe were doing its job, the ISFJ would learn that some risk is necessary in order to uphold obligations to others and avoid living in total solitude. Deep down, these types really do want social connection and ritual (Fe), but have found themselves so poor at it that they simply give up trying.


ESTP/ENFJ: Se/Fe or Fe/Se--Histrionic Personality Disorder. This tends to manifest itself in terms of exaggerated, aggressive sexual behavior and physical impulsiveness. Since reflecting the outer world is the only thing that matters, whatever will shock, impress, or otherwise affect others enough to include the user in their social rituals is what has to be done. Real empathy is rare as this type requires constant thrills or conflict--in the ENFJ version, this often results in excessive sensitivity to perceived "rudeness" or failure to respect the user's preferred cultural custom (Fe), combined with tertiary Se responding aggressively through implied threats of brute force. (e.g., Vito Corleone: "I'll make him an offer he can't refuse"--gives a surface appearance of respecting the cultural standards of negotiation, but implies that refusal to accept this "offer" would be quite unpleasant for the recipient!) If Ti/Ni were doing its job, the user would find a sense of balance and comfortability with himself, granting him the ability to discover what is subjectively important to him, rather than constantly shifting with the tide of cultural and social trends.


ISTP/INFJ: Ti/Ni or Ni/Ti--Schizoid Personality Disorder. These types are socially incompetent for lack of trying, because they see little to no value in significant interaction with others. They live in their own abstract worlds, constantly second-guessing themselves as Ti poses a framework for a problem and Ni shoots it down as too definitionally precise. Without any real external input, these two functions will dream up all sorts of elaborate systems and implications for them, only to repeat their own self-defeating behavior, never bothering to emphasize putting any of its intense ideas into practice. Frequent disregard for rules, laws and other forms of behavioral standards is common, as no function provides any significant sense of external influence. If Se/Fe were doing its job, the user would recognize the value of connecting with others and of paying attention to their needs, preferences, habits and appearances.


ESFP/ENTJ: Se/Te or Te/Se--Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder (not the same thing as OCD)! I've seen people mistake ESFPs in Se+Te dom-tert loops for ESTPs because they can be so insistent upon controlling their surroundings. These types epitomize enneagram type 8, as they are aggressive, blunt, confrontational and not the least bit afraid of hurting anyone's feelings. Inside they require the approval of others to a much higher degree than they let on, as Te insists on controlling and organizing external surroundings to ridiculous proportions, while Se pushes any naysayers out of the way with aggressive force and a take-no-prisoners attitude. Territorial and looking for any reason to display their power, these types are some of the most difficult to deal with of all dom-tert loops. If Fi/Ni were doing its job, these types would stop to consider that their actions have negative implications for others, and that aggressively taking charge is not always the best solution in every situation.


ISFP/INTJ: Fi/Ni or Ni/Fi--Paranoid Personality Disorder. These types are your typical conspiracy theorists; they cling deeply to their personal values and can find a conspiracy to assault or attack those values everywhere they look. Chronically distrustful of others' intentions for no legitimate reason, these types are certain they are the only ones who really know "the truth." The inferior function, Te or Se, can sometimes lead to an unconscious desire to attract the attention of or lead/organize others in efforts to expose the nefarious conspiracies they invariably see everywhere. If Te/Se were doing its job, these types would be able to look around them and observe empirical evidence that most of their theories are probably not reflected in reality, but as they rely almost entirely on internal validation, Ni will go to any lengths to justify Fi's emotion-based suspicions. (I mentioned Dale Gribble from King of the Hill in a previous article--he's a perfect example.) There's also this guy Victor on typologycentral who's such a perfect example of this it's absolutely ridiculous.


ENFP/ESTJ: Ne/Te or Te/Ne--Borderline Personality Disorder. The ENFP I described above may have been one of these types. They simultaneously desire to control and dazzle others with their extraordinary leadership and grandiose performances. For the ENFP, this tends to take the form of insisting on consistent, scheduled attention from others for his/her artistic or creative gifts, while for the ESTJ it tends to manifest itself in terms of indignation when others refuse to follow every detail of the user's "visionary" leadership style. This combination, ironically, makes the user extremely dependent upon others for meaning, never really finding a sense of internal balance, no matter how hard he works to create and delegate. While Te leads these types to desire structure and discipline, Ne continually contradicts it by insisting on impulsive displays of creative freedom. Often self-denigrating over the inability to control Ne's impulsive explorations, Te will go to any lengths to keep the user in a position of power and influence, where others must defer to his authority. If Fi/Si were doing its job, these types would recognize that what they're looking for cannot be found outside themselves--they must learn to sometimes live for themselves and only themselves, and forget about external results for a moment.


INFP/ISTJ: Fi/Si or Si/Fi--Avoidant Personality Disorder. Often scarred by some intensely negative past experience with opening up too many of their private emotions, this type compulsively avoids social situations and interaction with others. They are fiercely sensitive and may exaggerate or misconstrue perceived negative emotional intent in the words or actions of others. They will sometimes project their negative feelings onto others (Fi), as Si tells them that if I were to behave this way, I would have to be very upset, so anyone who behaves that way must also be. These types often have a chronic problem with trusting the intentions or motivations of others, refusing to share private information with even their closest friends and family. They are so deeply sensitive that they refuse to risk being hurt by attempting deep connections with others--you'll see this a lot in ISTJs with Asperger's. If Ne/Te were doing its job, these types would maintain a heathy grip on the importance of letting go of the past and trying something new in the name of accomplishing a greater goal, but some of these remain total recluses for most (if not all) of their lives.

link for reference: http://personalitycafe.com/articles/25205-dominant-tertiary-loops-common-personality-disorders.html

^ I didn't write the comment of Victor so don't be offended victor, I just copied pasta.

Got caught up reading about NPD and ESFJ/ENTP and thought, "holy shit, that's my Dad"

 

[Evo]

I found this at PerC:

It's personality disorders based on loops:

ISFP/INTJ: Fi/Ni or Ni/Fi--Paranoid Personality Disorder. These types are your typical conspiracy theorists; they cling deeply to their personal values and can find a conspiracy to assault or attack those values everywhere they look. Chronically distrustful of others' intentions for no legitimate reason, these types are certain they are the only ones who really know "the truth." The inferior function, Te or Se, can sometimes lead to an unconscious desire to attract the attention of or lead/organize others in efforts to expose the nefarious conspiracies they invariably see everywhere. If Te/Se were doing its job, these types would be able to look around them and observe empirical evidence that most of their theories are probably not reflected in reality, but as they rely almost entirely on internal validation, Ni will go to any lengths to justify Fi's emotion-based suspicions. (I mentioned Dale Gribble from King of the Hill in a previous article--he's a perfect example.) There's also this guy Victor on typologycentral who's such a perfect example of this it's absolutely ridiculous.

^ I didn't write the comment of Victor so don't be offended victor, I just copied pasta.

[MENTION=3325]Mole[/MENTION]

 

[Merced]

ENFP/ESTJ: Ne/Te or Te/Ne--Borderline Personality Disorder. The ENFP I described above may have been one of these types. They simultaneously desire to control and dazzle others with their extraordinary leadership and grandiose performances. For the ENFP, this tends to take the form of insisting on consistent, scheduled attention from others for his/her artistic or creative gifts, while for the ESTJ it tends to manifest itself in terms of indignation when others refuse to follow every detail of the user's "visionary" leadership style. This combination, ironically, makes the user extremely dependent upon others for meaning, never really finding a sense of internal balance, no matter how hard he works to create and delegate. While Te leads these types to desire structure and discipline, Ne continually contradicts it by insisting on impulsive displays of creative freedom. Often self-denigrating over the inability to control Ne's impulsive explorations, Te will go to any lengths to keep the user in a position of power and influence, where others must defer to his authority. If Fi/Si were doing its job, these types would recognize that what they're looking for cannot be found outside themselves--they must learn to sometimes live for themselves and only themselves, and forget about external results for a moment.

This explains so much, holy shit. If only I saw this when I briefly thought I was an ExTJ.

 

[Smilephantomhive]

I suppose this gives me the opportunity to talk about myself....so I'll play. Why?

After reading [MENTION=1206]cascadeco[/MENTION] 's reply, it seems necessary to clarify if this is MBTI (letter dichotomies), Jungian types, or Socionics.

I repped, but it might make more sense to ask here too. Socionics ISFp (thus socionics SiFe), socionics ISFj (thus FiSe), mbti ISFJ, or both? [I ask because I think socionics vs mbti definitions of cog functions are very different in a few cases, thus I'm pretty sure I type differently in both, though I don't bother with socionics]

I was meaning mbti.

 

[OrangeAppled]

I was meaning mbti.

okay....so the "why" still stands.

 

[cascadeco]

I was meaning mbti.

For dichotomy alone (though I really don't think I reflect SJ or FJ trends or motivations), I can at least understand why you might think so, but for functions I must confess it would be more of a reaction.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

[MENTION=3325]Mole[/MENTION]

I don't know what this is but it made me laugh

 

[Forever]

okay....so the "why" still stands.

I'm not her, but probably it's because you care about fashion.

(Imo you're fine as an INFP)

 

[Yuurei]

I mean sure I get irritated only if you kept ignoring that I knew the better way and your way didn't work but I don't get THAT angry even then. But I don't blow up over things like that, my category of extreme anger is more of social issues.

He may be more of Te (J) than Fe (J). But then again Idk him.

INFJ's are flexible, they're the least judging out of all EJ and IJ types lol. They're slightly judging. INJ's are like sometimes mocked for being "lazy." They want alone time to daydream about how to plan reality and even then their plans are very loose form. Very impressionistic and not concrete like. (TJ's probably much more concrete than FJ's)

ENTJ and ESTJ are like probably the highest out of all judging types.

And IP's can be very judging if they haven't developed their auxiliary perceiving function well.

Eh..heh...calm down, I was talking about my husband not you. The MBTI is very broad so just because you're the same type doesn't mean you have the same issues, certainly not to the same extent.

My husband is no doubt Fe first and foremost. His greatest flaw is that he uses Fe and understands nothing about it. In so many ways he is more mature than most men I know but emotionally...he's kind of like a little kid. . This is how I feel right now! Don't care why, don't care how completely irrational it is- I'm going with it!"

It's very tiring o someone like myself but he's gotten a little better.