Julius_Van_Der_Beak
Up the Wolves
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Oh, I'm sure that would work well.
You're not "a type." Your personality consists of a lot of different traits from various "types." If you happen to have more traits from one "type" than all the others, then that becomes your "type."
And what type would that be? (Keeping my mind open here)
Whatever type you score highest on when you take my mbti inventory.
I know you are going somewhere with this...where can I take your mbti inventory?
I have done a lot of reading on these types. I mostly see myself as an INTJ or an ENTP, but any of these three can represent me fairly accurately. Is it possible to fit more than one type? Or to fit no type?
1. You're asking for help.
2. You don't have a good idea about who you are.
Clearly, ENTP.
I expect I'll probably do a follow-up post with some supplemental specific reactions ("showing my work," if you will), but here's my overall take at this point and some further links for you (if you're interested).
EJs are the most domineering types, and you're not an EJ. Hence (in part) your "haha" reaction to the ENTJ profiles.
EFs are the most social/gregarious types, and you're not an EF.
And I'd say your N's clear enough.
So... that means there's only one E type that I'd consider a possibility for you, and that's ENTP.
Buut... I'd also say that the fact that there's only one extraverted type that strikes me as a possibility, as compared to three or four introverted types, is a pretty good indicator that you're probably an introvert (albeit, quite possibly, a mild introvert).
You also sound significantly more like a P to me, so I see INTP and INFP as the most likely types. I kind of want to say that, if you're a J, INFJ seems more likely to me than INTJ, which would be at least a slight indication (as I see it) that INFP is maybe more likely than INTP — but, meh, maybe I should be viewing INFJ and INTJ as equally likely (to each other, I mean; not equally likely as compared to the IN_P types).
Just looking at INTP and INFP, I maybe feel like INTP is a somewhat better fit than INFP, but it might be better to say I'm just on the fence between those two at this point.
Here are two INTP profile items that you put in the "Not Me" category:
Can you elaborate on the reasons those ended up in the Not Me pile?
- INTPs are not overly demanding in personal relationships, and have simple daily needs. They are often easy and enjoyable to live with.
- INTPs value knowledge above all else.
My first post included profile roundups for the four NT types, and the spoiler at the end of this post has roundups of INFP and INFJ profiles. I'd be particularly interested to hear how you react to the INFP profiles.
If you want a boatload of input from me on T/F (and especially INT vs. INF), you'll find it in these four posts (all from an ongoing PerC type-me thread) and the posts they link to:
As always, please only read any of the linked posts to the extent that you're otherwise inclined to do so for your own reasons. When I say "boatload," I mean metric ass ton.
As a final note: I previously mentioned that Jung himself said he thought more people were essentially in the middle on E/I than were significantly extraverted or introverted, and that Myers allowed for the possibility of middleness on all four MBTI dimensions. I'm of the view that there's nothing necessarily wrong with an INxP label. It doesn't have to mean you're either INTP or INFP but you just can't figure it out. You may in fact be in the middle — or sufficiently close to the middle that INxP is arguably at least as accurate a label as either INTP or INFP would be.
INFP Profiles
MBTI Manual (2nd Ed.)
MBTI Manual (3rd Ed.)
Keirsey (Please Understand Me)
Kroeger & Thuesen (Type Talk)
Hirsh & Kummerow (Lifetypes [abridged])
Berens & Nardi
personalitypage: Portrait
personalitypage: Personal Growth
personalitypage: Relationships
personalitypage: Careers
INFJ Profiles
MBTI Manual (2nd Ed.)
MBTI Manual (3rd Ed.)
Keirsey (Please Understand Me)
Kroeger & Thuesen (Type Talk)
Hirsh & Kummerow (Lifetypes [abridged])
Berens & Nardi
personalitypage: Portrait
personalitypage: Personal Growth
personalitypage: Relationships
personalitypage: Careers
Something interesting my sister told me: She said that I am an introvert who has learned how to be an extrovert. Not sure what the implications of such a statement would be.
To answer your question about my Not Me pile:
While I mostly do have simple daily needs, I am moderately demanding in relationships, and I am not easy to live with.
I value knowledge. I respect intelligent people and enjoy interacting with them when they stimulate my mind as well. However, I don't have too much difficulty connecting with people that society has deemed "unintelligent", and I value all of my connections with people, no matter who they are.
I value wisdom much more than I value knowledge.
As for your links and supplemental info, thanks! I love to read and learn more, but I have difficulty following and understanding the information because of my lack of contextual knowledge. If I had more than layman's lingo at my disposal I might have been much more enriched by the boatload of information.
But keep it coming, I am starting to catch on.
Well, temperament is not behavior, although it certainly influences behavior. I'd say the most obvious possible interpretation of your sister's statement is that you're an introvert at the gut (temperament) level, but you've learned how to "act like an extravert" in situations where that's appropriate or advantageous.
Well, those responses are a little on the terse side.
If you have a tendency to be the more demanding party in personal relationships, rather than tending to be the party who's less attentive to the relationship than your partner would like, I'd say that would be substantially more characteristic of a male (especially) INF than a male INT.
Putting "knowledge" in your Not Me pile on the grounds that you "value wisdom much more" than you value "knowledge" has a bit of an NF flavor.
To the extent that you dip into any of my T/F posts, I'd be curious to hear if anything in those makes you lean significantly T or F.
stephsharik said:I find that I don't really care if my career is meaningful by improving people's lives or making the world a better place. "...mostly focused on finding one that will compensate you reasonably well for doing work that you find satisfying in terms of being interesting, challenging, and calling on your creativity/knowledge/skills, etc." seems to be about right to me.
stephsharik said:Sometimes I debate for the sake of debating. It helps me analyze both sides of the argument and determine the positions that have merit. This has caused me trouble in the past.
reckful said:It's something of an internet forum cliché, in my experience, that, if there's a single MBTI type most often associated with treating debates/discussions/etc. as games and being willing to take insincere positions, throw things out just to get a reaction, bullshit people and so on, it's the ENTP. By contrast, I think a typical INTJ engaged in a debate — especially if it's an issue they care much about or think there's a right and wrong perspective on — is more likely to come off as earnestly authentic, and demonstrate a drive to not only let people know what they really think, but also to try to change the mind of anybody who doesn't understand or otherwise has the wrong view. INTPs are one letter away from ENTPs and one letter away from INTJs but, in this case, I think it's the J/P that makes the most difference — making INTPs more like ENTPs than INTJs in this regard. So if you're significantly more inclined to treat a debate as an opportunity to enlighten the misguided than a coolly intellectual sport where you're happy to take either side, I'd say that's probably worth a point or two on the J side.
Thank you. I appreciate the time you invested in helping me sort some of this out. I have pretty much settled on INxP for the moment.
However, I am curious. Would you mind telling me what it was made you rule out the other two types from the OP? (INTJ, ENTP)
My main interests (hobbies mostly?):
Reading, (Mostly fiction, but gradually expanding my horizons to include theoretical books.)
Philosophy
Sketching
Music/Songwriting/Poetry?Singing
Educating myself/School (things that interest me, though)
Making connections with people, building networks (for personal enrichment mostly, and potential usefulness in the future)
Understanding how people work/function, especially myself
Cooking (but only as a hobby)
Some select sports.
Road trips and general travelling.
Career:
I am in college, soon to be in a Dental Hygiene program. Before that, I was heading for a PharmD (Doctor of Pharmacy) program.
I am majoring in dental hygiene because the pay is decent ("it's not about the money" kind of guy), very flexible schedule/hours, and it is low-risk in the sense that making mistakes have small consequences when compared to, say, surgeons, dentists, pharmacists. I backed out of pharmacy because of the difficulty of the program, the length of the program, and the controversy surrounding prescription medication.
I find that I don't really care if my career is meaningful by improving people's lives or making the world a better place. "...mostly focused on finding one that will compensate you reasonably well for doing work that you find satisfying in terms of being interesting, challenging, and calling on your creativity/knowledge/skills, etc." seems to be about right to me.
Tentative Self-Analysis
I talk a lot, but what I say doesn't always have substance. I am generally friendly. People tend to be familiar with me (even when I don't really know them) and it is easy to get to know me. I look for the best in people, tend to be trusting about people's motives. I readily forgive and forget and give second chances.
However, I often feel unappreciated and misunderstood. Sometimes I leave the crowds behind and seek my alone time. People energize me at times, and other times they suck the life out of me. Being alone is often stimulating for introspection, but sometimes it leaves me feeling drained.
I dislike being the center of attention. (Though if I am comfortable enough with the people around me, or know what I am talking about, I will step into the limelight for a moment.)
I handle responsibility well, (when I accept it), but I tend to shirk responsibility and accountability. I like to dream, and my mind wanders often. I am a bad listener, have difficulty focusing on sounds (unless it's music). I am fiercely loyal, and love to work. When I am told what to do, I do it well. When I am supposed to figure out what needs to be done on my own, I struggle. I have no desire to lead others or be in charge, but (when necessary) there are times when I take over and actually do lead.
Not detail oriented, but very good at seeing the big picture. I keep an open mind about many things, unless I have become firm in my beliefs.
Status doesn't really mean much to me. I don't care if someone is famous, or rich, or in an authoritative position. I am rarely impressed, (though I will act impressed for the sake of those trying so hard). I tend to be pragmatic and straightforward. "What you see is what you get" mostly applies to me.
I am told that I am attractive, but I don't put a whole lot of meaning into that. I prefer attractive people, but I don't subscribe to the "beauty is good" fallacy.
I have a quirky sense of humor, enjoying gags that are based on wordplay, contradictions/paradoxes, double-meanings, and can just barely tolerate puns. I am not very funny, but laugh often. (Though sometimes I fake laugh to show my appreciation for a joke/gag).
I like melancholy, especially in music. Being sad or nostalgic paradoxically makes me happy. (That might not make sense, but oh well.)
I desire perfection, order, and being systematic, but usually do not succeed in achieving any of those things and resign myself to this.
Sometimes I debate for the sake of debating. It helps me analyze both sides of the argument and determine the positions that have merit. This has caused me trouble in the past.
I grasp difficult concepts fairly quickly. I have an exceptional memory and I use my past memories and experiences to make connections and associations.
I usually understand how and why certain systems work. I am able to explain why a person acted a certain way, or why an event unfolded the way it did. I understand the way people think and operate, but I have difficulty understanding their emotional state Here And Now. (their mood, their attitude towards me, subtle body language, hidden emotions-these things are not obvious to me)
I have dedication/motivational issues. I have many, MANY plans and lists of things to do, but I rarely get started on them. And of the plans that I do get started on, few are completed.
I can easily slip away into an imaginary world I created. These worlds always have sets of rules that they follow, systems and order. I create character profiles based on my past experiences with people and use anyone and everyone as a source for these profiles (including myself).
These profiles help me understand human behavior and predict the actions of people I interact with.
I have trouble leaving my comfort zone, but I am slowly pushing myself to expand its boundaries.
In a group, I am at times loud and at other times quiet. It always depends on the people around me and on my mood. Sometimes I can greet a random stranger and hit it off, other times I can barely bring myself to ask what time it is. :|
I greatly dislike cognitive function tests that ask me if I consider myself to be more introverted or extroverted because I am BOTH. I cannot honestly say that I am more one than the other.
Anyways, I know this is a lot, but I am hoping that it will be useful to someone with a better understanding of the cognitive functions. I tried to research them myself, but found it difficult to stay objective.
This makes me think entp. That's a problem entp's have. Enfp's can feel how other people are feeling, so yeah you're probably not enfp
Sorry for wasting your time.
Whatever type you score highest on when you take my mbti inventory.