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I listen to an astrologer in radio 2UE on Sunday night. This astrologer is highly skilled at manipulating the minds and feelings of vulnerable people.

And in the prentense of providing information, the astrologer predicts the future. And of course the astrologer is well paid.

It is unconscionable.

I don't do that kind. I draw up a chart and then tell you things about yourself, and answer personal questions. No one can predict the future.
 

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This is a clever answer, but examine your conscience and ask, should you continue to exploit vulnerable people?

I have a disclaimer on my website that says I'm not officially certified.

No one is being exploited. They pay of their own volition.
 

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From your standpoint, yes. I suppose I could be making all kinds of random shit up.

For all we know it could be my dream to run a cult, in which I then brainwash to form my personal army of ninja warriors who are typology literate and able to read minds.

Yes... I could be that person.

What's the big deal?

This post sounds like the words of a sociopath, that is, a person without a conscience, a person who can exploit the vulnerable without a second thought.
 

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I have a disclaimer on my website that says I'm not officially certified.

No one is being exploited. They pay of their own volition.

These are pathetic, vulnerable people who need to be protected from predatory sociopaths.
 

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Frankly, it doesn't matter. I see where you're coming from with the whole, "what about the dumb people who are too dumb to protect themselves" argument.

Sigh... unfortunately its protection of these people that makes america the shithole it is. Since this is getting political, I'm going to step out of this one. You know where I stand and that won't change.
 

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What if I was just really good at playing make believe?

The work of children is play. And the purpose of play is to learn the difference between make believe and reality.

However the vulnerable usually have impoverished childhoods and never learn the difference between make believe and reality, and so are ripe for exploitation as adults by the unscrupulous.
 

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Frankly, it doesn't matter. I see where you're coming from with the whole, "what about the dumb people who are too dumb to protect themselves" argument.

Sigh... unfortunately its protection of these people that makes america the shithole it is.

I think this speaks for itself.
 

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I think this speaks for itself.

So... what do you think we should do. Shut down all psychiatrists because we suspect they're passively preying on the weak?

While we're at it, lets shut down all chiropractors.

Lets shut down all acupuncturists.

In fact, anything heuristic, lets ban that too.

Hmm, investment advisors. Lets get rid of those.

Hmm, economic advisers, get rid of those.

Historians? Eh, they weren't actually there. Lets get rid of those.

You know what, Casinos prey on the weak lets get rid of that.

While we're at it, golf club prices are a little too high for what they do. I think they're evil and preying on the weak. Lets get rid of those.
 

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Do no harm

So... what do you think we should do. Shut down all psychiatrists because we suspect they're passively preying on the weak?

While we're at it, lets shut down all chiropractors.

Lets shut down all acupuncturists.

In fact, anything heuristic, lets ban that too.

We should make sure our psychologist is a member of a registered Psychological Association.

Such an Association will monitor the psychologist to ensure they do no harm.
 

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Hmm, I heard people were selling generators for 500% during hurricane katrina. That sounds mean. Lets just make that illegal too and let the government sell the generators.
 

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We should make sure our psychologist is a member of a registered Psychological Association.

Such an Association will monitor the psychologist to ensure they do no harm.

So what kind of perfect entity do you think is permitted to judge the validity of such an institution?
 

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Hmm, I heard people were selling generators for 500% during hurricane katrina. That sounds mean. Lets just make that illegal too and let the government sell the generators.

You seem to value the exploitation of the vulnerable. So I would suggest caveat emptor.
 

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So what kind of perfect entity do you think is permitted to judge the validity of such an institution?

The American Medical Association ensures doctors do no harm, and the American Psychological Association ensures psychologists do no harm.

The first rule of helping people is do no harm.

But perhaps you are wise not to join such an Association because they strike off members who exploit or harm others.
 

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The American Medical Association ensures doctors do no harm, and the American Psychological Association ensures psychologists do no harm.

The first rule of helping people is do no harm.

But perhaps you are wise not to join such an Association because they strike off members who exploit or harm others.

I see...

But you still didn't answer my question. I don't care about the actual institutions in play. Obama could enact the "bumblefuck center for kids who can't read good" and it won't make a damn bit of difference.

I want you to explain to me the actual infrastructure. How do you create an institution that allows only perfectly valid science to permeate its bounds?

Who is capable of judging what logic is sound and valid?

Who is capable of judging if the logic of the judging entity is valid?

You?

What makes you so special, because you said so?

What about stephen hawking, I hear he's a pretty cool guy. Lets put him in charge of our science.
 

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I want you to explain to me the actual infrastructure. How do you create an institution that allows only perfectly valid science to permeate its bounds?

Well, we might start with Peer Reviewed Journals where any published scientific work is subject to critical analysis.
 

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Well, we might start with Peer Reviewed Journals where any published scientific work is subject to critical analysis.

I see.

So, how large should this governing peer review body be?
 

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Look, I think the problem is that you don't accept the first rule of helping people, and that rule is, do no harm.

Everything else is transparent manipulation.
 
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