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Another Person Confused About Type

Owl

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As it relates to MBTI theory, would you call this a "thinker's" process or cognition itself? Because if this is only specific to the thinking process (Ti/Te) then all feelers must also be thinkers. However, in no definition of thinking do I see any indication that a thinker must also be a feeler to some degree. Jung's definition of thinking explicitly precludes this.

Or am I misunderstanding what feeling (Fi/Fe) is (because that is highly possible)?

I think that, insofar as he divorced feeling from thinking, Jung was wrong. I don't think you can separate feeling from thinking. What you feel primarily depends on what you think. (Physiology has some influence, but even poor dopamine production and re-uptake can be overcome by thoughtful conviction.)

I would call it cognition itself.
 

Orangey

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Nothing of public importance, I was just expressing my sexist urge to put men in their proper, i.e. inferior place.

Lol!

So you assume we are all men?
 

SillySapienne

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So you assume we are all men?

No, I sensed that you were a female, are you?

Edit: And my sexist angst was more directed towards Night and Owl, lol, to Nightowl, (har-har, I's stewpid).
 

Orangey

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I think that, insofar as he divorced feeling from thinking, Jung was wrong. I don't think you can separate feeling from thinking. What you feel primarily depends on what you think. (Physiology has some influence, but even poor dopamine production and re-uptake can be overcome by thoughtful conviction.)

I would call it cognition itself.

Well this does make more sense, but then wouldn't that basically undo the very foundation of MBTI? We would have to make distinctions as to the degree to which we use either function, and I imagine that it would all boil down to context/situation, if we could even properly distinguish between the two at all for long enough to determine that.
 

Orangey

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No, I sensed that you were a female, are you?

Sure you did :rolli:

Kidding...but yes, you are correct, I am female.
 

Night

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I think that, insofar as he divorced feeling from thinking, Jung was wrong. I don't think you can separate feeling from thinking. What you feel primarily depends on what you think. (Physiology has some influence, but even poor dopamine production and re-uptake can be overcome by thoughtful conviction.)

I would call it cognition itself.

Nicely said.
 

Orangey

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Orangey?!?!?!

C'mon now, that username is a dead give away about your sex.

Darn...I knew I should have stuck with "Motherscratcher".
 

SillySapienne

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Quiet, you.

:)
I believe that Night is a deep enough person to understand that depth is a relative term and, so hence realizes, that compared to others and depending on who's asking, he is rather shallow!

;)
 

Night

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I've ever been shallow.

It's always just a matter of approximate depth.
 

Night

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Now that's something we can definitely agree on!
 

Orangey

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Grrr...if logic *is* basic cognition, then feeling is a part of logic. And if feeling is a part of logic, then there can be no distinction between feeling and thinking (insofar as we define thinking as reasoning). If thinking is reasoning, then thinking is cognition, and it must also include feeling. So feeling is thinking!
 

Orangey

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And if feeling is a part of logic, then there can be no distinction between feeling and thinking (insofar as we define thinking as reasoning).

Wait no- let's try this again.

For all cognizant persons:

Every person is cognizant, therefore every person reasons, because cognition is defined by the presence of a basic reasoning faculty (definition agreed upon earlier in the thread).

If we define the thinking process as the ability to reason logically, then everybody who is cognizant is a thinker. If we define the feeling process as something beside thinking, and thinking is cognition, then feeling is not part of cognition. Therefore feeling is an aberration, and one need not feel in order to think.
 
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