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My boyfriend: ESTJ or ENTJ?

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All types have both S and N functions. But to hinge your entire analysis on how he dresses, whether a bit more splashy or understated, is ridiculous.

The more info the better! She gave quite a bit but it was almost split half and half.
 

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The more info the better! She gave quite a bit but it was almost split half and half.
No it's not. He displays more ESTJ than ENTJ traits. Of course the two types can display similar behaviours due to bracketing Te/Fi functions. But how he 'works' and the lack of overview, vision, you name it intuitive quality, he ain't got it, he's more than likely ESTJ.
 

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No it's not. He displays more ESTJ than ENTJ traits. Of course the two types can display similar behaviours due to bracketing Te/Fi functions. But how he 'works' and the lack of overview, vision, you name it intuitive quality, he ain't got it, he's more than likely ESTJ.

The OP describes one a bit more than the other. The ESTJ traits happen to appear at the top of the list. But you can't possibly know which behaviors he displays without getting to know the guy.

I don't have to focus on clothing and fashions either. That was just the first extra tidbit that came to mind. I would also ask if the guy has a strange sense of time. For example, does he tend to over-schedule his day? Does he always think that 30 minutes of work can be accomplished in 15 minutes?
 

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The OP describes one a bit more than the other. The ESTJ traits happen to appear at the top of the list. But you can't possibly know which behaviors he displays without getting to know the guy.

I don't have to focus on clothing and fashions either. That was just the first extra tidbit that came to mind. I would also ask if the guy has a strange sense of time. For example, does he tend to over-schedule his day? Does he always think that 30 minutes of work can be accomplished in 15 minutes?
Maybe he's an ESFJ? Anything's possible, right?
 

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Maybe he's an ESFJ? Anything's possible, right?

That was good. Not the idea that anything's possible, but that the ESFJ male tries to merge with the social ideal of masculinity.
 

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Why not ESTP?

Third in a tritype series? I would have to know how he responds to others. The ESTP is great at anticipating what others are going to say.
 

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Third in a tritype series? I would have to know how he responds to others. The ESTP is great at anticipating what others are going to say.
No. They're great at absorbing here and now and reacting quickly.
 

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No. They're great at absorbing here and now and reacting quickly.

You're denying a valid ESTP trait. Of course they're great at absorbing, AND they are great at anticipating your responses.
 

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You're denying a valid ESTP trait. Of course they're great at absorbing, AND they are great at anticipating your responses.
Let's drill down into function theory. What functions do ESTPs have that would allow them to anticipate?
 

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Let's drill down into function theory. What functions do ESTPs have that would allow them to anticipate?

Se observation and Ti smarts.
 

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Neither is a predictive or forecasting function. Keep going.

I know what you're going to say next by observing things like facial expressions.
 

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I know what you're going to say next by observing things like facial expressions.
Se sees (ha ha) the here and now and feeds it to Ti. Ti makes logical sense of what Se has fed it. Neither predicts.
 

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Se sees (ha ha) the here and now and feeds it to Ti. Ti makes logical sense of what Se has fed it. Neither predicts.

I see the here and now and feed it to Ti, that doesn't make me an ESTP.
 

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Se sees (ha ha) the here and now and feeds it to Ti. Ti makes logical sense of what Se has fed it. Neither predicts.

I've pondered that for a bit, and it sounds more like an ISTP process.
 

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I see the here and now and feed it to Ti, that doesn't make me an ESTP.
Wut? As an INTP, you have Ne as your aux function. Ne and Ti combined can be somewhat predictive with multiple pathways, after they understand the here and now.

ESTPs are reactionary based on concrete environment feed first and then, subjectively logical thinkers. You're a subjectively logical thinker being fed by an intuitive (synthesizing) function.
 

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Wut? As an INTP, you have Ne as your aux function. Ne and Ti combined can be somewhat predictive with multiple pathways, after they understand the here and now.

ESTPs are reactionary based on concrete environment feed first and then, subjectively logical thinkers. You're a subjectively logical thinker being fed by an intuitive (synthesizing) function.

First of all, you got the ESTP process incorrect before. If Se feeds Ti, then that puts Ti first, in that Se serves Ti evidence for a theory or hypothesis, let's say, why the car is putting out so much smoke.

Secondly, this analysis isn't capturing the essence of any personality under question here. Pod'Lair got it right by stating that their version of Se-dom focuses on the enjoyment of the senses, it is not merely engaged in the gathering of information like a computer.
 
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