What flavor enneagraham cracker am I?

[Starry]

You're not really questioning your type Stigmata are you? I feel you are one of the few accurately typed members accurately typed.


Probably 5w4 4w5 9w1
strong connection to 7

 

[Stigmata]

You're not really questioning your type Stigmata are you? I feel you are one of the few accurately typed members accurately typed.


Probably 5w4 4w5 9w1
strong connection to 7

That seems to be the consensus. Every 6 months or so I have a type identity crisis, in which I speculate and dissect different aspects of my personality and rearrange them to fit the frameworks of other types, like taking various pieces from different puzzle sets that somehow through matching shapes can be arranged into something complete different, yet new.

I'm glad I have people here to throw jagged rocks at me when this happens and snap me out of it.

 

[Lord Lavender]

Overall id say based on your presence around the forum id say you are 513/514 tritype wise, you to me to have a obvious double competency outlook first and what makes me unsure of 3 or 4 is the fact you are double competency outlook that will make you seem to have a third comp outlook and this could be the case with you. Overall Id lean more 514 though.

 

[Lady Lazarus]

You're not really questioning your type Stigmata are you? I feel you are one of the few accurately typed members accurately typed.


Probably 5w4 4w5 9w1
strong connection to 7

Yeah. I think the people who suggested 5w6 may have had this weird notion of 5w6 as the emotionally stable one as opposed to 5w4, for some reason. Probably because 4 is always Sylvia Plath suicidal in people's minds and 6 isn't.

In reality though, Stigmata is the least 6 person I have ever not met. I am more 6 than him and I am a 9. I understand him as a true individual in that he can exist inside a structure completely untouched by it in any way. So in reality he's not even inside it at all but has broken free completely. Which I so cannot do even as someone who only has an oblique link to 6. Stigmata doesn't have that outwardly facing form of reactivity at all though from what I have seen of him.

 

[Starry]

Not ENFP

 

[Starry]

Yeah. I think the people who suggested 5w6 may have had this weird notion of 5w6 as the emotionally stable one as opposed to 5w4, for some reason. Probably because 4 is always Sylvia Plath suicidal in people's minds and 6 isn't.

In reality though, Stigmata is the least 6 person I have ever not met. I am more 6 than him and I am a 9. I understand him as a true individual in that he can exist inside a structure completely untouched by it in any way. So in reality he's not even inside it at all but has broken free completely. Which I so cannot do even as someone who only has an oblique link to 6. Stigmata doesn't have that outwardly facing form of reactivity at all though from what I have seen of him.

ha Plath. I don't know what their internal experiences are but many 4s come across as really upbeat and cheerful (e7). I think a lot of 4w5s/5w4s are comedians, etc. 6 no. Sorry there was more I wanted to say here but I lost it... It might be my fear that I'll offend someone talking about type (not stigmata).

 

[Metis]

[MENTION=13112]Stigmata[/MENTION], you are a honey graham cracker cinnamon waffle.

You're so 5w4, it's painful. Don't even bother questioning it.

And...no bland crackers for you. Moreso, artisan crackers full of fibre and dried fruit but be careful since you can crack a tooth on surprise seeds and nuts.

Yours is probably healthier.

Overall id say based on your presence around the forum id say you are 513/514 tritype wise, you to me to have a obvious double competency outlook first and what makes me unsure of 3 or 4 is the fact you are double competency outlook that will make you seem to have a third comp outlook and this could be the case with you. Overall Id lean more 514 though.

LOL. You like to do in-depth ones.

I do it this way:

Round One

1 - nah
2 - nah
3 - nah
4 - maybe
5 - maybe
6 - hmm
7 - don't know
8 - nah
9 - maybe; don't know

Round Two

4 - maybe
5 - maybe
6 - eh
7 - nah
9 - maybe; don't know

Round Three

4 - not overtly, in an "INFP-4-ish" way, but it like shows up in your sense of humor
5 - okay, I can buy it
9 - *shrug*

Conclusion

Probably 5, but let's see if he does anything weird that gives him away as a 4 or something else.

 

[Lord Lavender]

[MENTION=13112]Stigmata[/MENTION], you are a honey graham cracker cinnamon waffle.

Yours is probably healthier.




LOL. You like to do in-depth ones.

I do it this way:

Round One

1 - nah
2 - nah
3 - nah
4 - maybe
5 - maybe
6 - hmm
7 - don't know
8 - nah
9 - maybe; don't know

Round Two

4 - maybe
5 - maybe
6 - eh
7 - nah
9 - maybe; don't know

Round Three

4 - not overtly, in an "INFP-4-ish" way, but it like shows up in your sense of humor
5 - okay, I can buy it
9 - *shrug*

Conclusion

Probably 5, but let's see if he does anything weird that gives him away as a 4 or something else.

I actually like your method, its simple yet effective, you narrowed it down to withdrawn triad so there is something magical about your method. BTW Id love to see you try out other people with that method.

 

[rav3n]

Yours is probably healthier.

I deliberately chose something healthy and interesting for him since not only is he our resident wit (interesting), he's also not prone to fits of crazy (healthy), instead prone to withdraw like other 5w4s. 5w6s can be combative, particularly 5wcp6s.

Yours looks delicious. Let's health it up with wholewheat!

 

[Stigmata]

Yours looks delicious. Let's health it up with wholewheat!

* has plate with wholewheat waffle in front of him *
* slowly reaches for butter and syrup *
* sees the [MENTION=10808]bechimo[/MENTION] death stare out of the corner of his eye -- withdraws hand slowly; eats dry waffle halfheartedly
*

 

[rav3n]

* has plate with wholewheat waffle in front of him *
* slowly reaches for butter and syrup *
* sees the [MENTION=10808]bechimo[/MENTION] death stare out of the corner of his eye -- withdraws hand slowly; eats dry waffle halfheartedly
*

*nods approvingly and passes reasonable amounts of organic butter and real maple syrup*

 

[Metis]

*nods approvingly and passes reasonable amounts of organic butter and real maple syrup*

*also nods approvingly at Stigmata*

 

[Stigmata]

A detailed comparison and contrast between Fives and Nines is warranted because so many Nines mistakenly think that they are Fives; typically, the misidentification almost never happens the other way around. Particularly if they are well educated and intelligent, average male Nines tend to think that they are Fives. (As noted in the discussion of Twos, average female Nines tend to think that they are Twos.)

Of all the personality types, Nines have the most difficulty identifying which type they are because their sense of self is undefined. Average Nines have little sense of who they are apart from those they have identified with; hence, they are usually at a loss to know where to begin to find their type. (As we have seen, either they think they are Fives or Twos or they see a little of themselves in all the types and make no further effort at identifying themselves. If they have no guidance, Nines in this predicament usually shrug their shoulders and give up on the Enneagram and more important, on acquiring self-knowledge.)

Even relatively healthy Nines still have a somewhat diffused sense of self because it is based on their capacity to be receptive to others—and to be unself-conscious. Moreover, average Nines have problems identifying their type because doing so arouses anxiety, something completely anathema to them. Whatever disturbs their peace of mind is ignored or met with a blind eye. They avoid introspection in favor of entertaining comforting notions about themselves, whatever they may be. Maintaining an undefined understanding of themselves, and thus, maintaining their emotional comfort, is more important to average Nines than acquiring deeper insights.

None of this is true of Fives, and the two types are opposites in many ways. Nines are gentle, easygoing, patient, receptive, and accommodating, whereas Fives are intense, strong-minded, argumentative, contentious, and highly resistant to the influence of others. Nines like people and trust them; perhaps at times they are too trusting. By contrast, average Fives are suspicious of people and are anything but trusting, perhaps at times too cynical and resistant. Both types are among the three withdrawn types of the Enneagram, and (as we have seen with Fours and Nines), there are genuine similarities between them, although only superficial ones (PT, 433-36).

Despite their similarities, the main point of confusion for Nines arises around the notion of "thinking." Nines think they are Fives because they think they have profound ideas: therefore, they must be Fives.

Part of the problem stems from the fact that individuals of both types can be highly intelligent, although as a group Fives are probably the most intelligent of the nine personality types. (When Nines are highly intelligent, they can be as brilliant as Fives, although their intellectual prowess is compartmentalized. They are brilliant at work but unfocused and inattentive everywhere else, whereas Fives are focused and attentive everywhere all the time.) Although intelligence can be manifested in different ways, being intelligent does not make Nines intellectuals, just as thinking does not make them thinkers. As we have seen, the pattern as a whole (and the motivations) must be taken into consideration, not one or two traits in isolation. Since all the types think in one way or another, thinking alone, with no further distinction, is not a sufficient basis for a personality diagnosis.

The fundamental difference between the thinking of Nines and that of Fives is that Nines are impressionistic, involved with generalities, imaginative ruminations, and fanciful situations. Nines typically do not concern themselves with details, nor are they usually good at following up once they have acted. By contrast, the thinking of Fives is highly focused, penetrating, and almost microscopic in the narrowness of its frame of reference. Fives love details, losing themselves in research, scholarship, and complex intellectual pursuits. They think in depth, concentrating so much that they block out other perceptions (eventually to their detriment). By contrast, even brilliant Nines tend to have problems concentrating; they also tend to lose interest quickly and to allow their attention to drift off when they become bored or anxious.

Nines tend to spin grand, sweeping, idealistic solutions to problems, while Fives tend to speculate on problems, then on the problems that their problems have raised, then on those problems, ad infinitum. Nines may be gifted storytellers, able to communicate simply and effectively to others, even to children. Fives usually communicate to only a few or keep their ideas entirely to themselves. (Moreover, their ideas may be so complicated that they are difficult to communicate to all but other specialists.) Nines usually do not consider the consequences of their actions; Fives are extremely interested in predicting the consequences of every action. Nines idealize the world and create imaginary worlds in which good always triumphs over evil; Fives analyze the real world and create horrifying scenarios in which evil usually triumphs over good or exists in tension with it. Nines simplify; Fives complexify. Nines look to the past; Fives to the future. Nines are fantasists; Fives are theorists. Nines are disengaged; Fives are detached. Nines are utopians; Fives are nihilists. Nines are optimists; Fives are pessimists. Nines are open; Fives are resistant. Nines are non-threatening and nonjudgmental; Fives are defensive and contentious. Nines are at peace; Fives are in tension. Nines end in dissociation; Fives in paranoia.

Comparisons and contrasts such as these could be multiplied almost indefinitely because, while these two types are such opposites, they are also paradoxically similar. What they have in common is the tendency to ask "What if?" questions. The difference is in their response: Nines tend to ruminate on their fantasies, while Fives attempt to see if their ideas could come true. The Nine's ideas usually involve a single insight that, while true enough, is often impractical and goes nowhere. For instance, a Nine may think that the way to world peace is "for everyone to love one another." While this is doubtlessly true, the problem not addressed is how to get everyone to love one another. A Five wondering about the same problem would write a treatise on world peace after doing exhaustive historical research, eventually erecting a grand theory of peace. (The Five's ideas may also come to nothing, but at least they are pursued, and practical results may eventually come of them.) To give another example, a Nine might wonder what it is like to fly and make up a story about it. A Five might wonder how to fly and invent an airplane or do research on birds or design a rocket.

In short, Nines have an active fantasy life and think that they have deep thoughts. Sometimes they do, of course, although the thinking of intelligent, well-educated Nines tends to be in the direction of simplifying reality and cutting through abstruse thickets to get at the kernel of truth beneath. Nines tend to see things the way they want them to be; they reinterpret reality to make it more comforting and less threatening, simpler and less daunting. By contrast, the thinking of Fives is complex. By attempting to arrive at a grand unifying theory that encompasses and explains everything, average Fives end up involved in increasing complications and abstractions. Their thought is focused on specifics, often highly technical and concerned with foresight and the consequences of acting one way rather than another. But at an extreme, Fives risk seeing reality not as it is but as a projection of their preoccupations and fears. They distort their perceptions of reality so that reality seems more negative and threatening than it actually is.
Fives are afraid of being overwhelmed by the world, and their intellectual efforts are an unconscious defense against the world, an attempt to master it intellectually. There is a world of difference between these two types since they see the world so differently. Compare Charles Darwin (a Five) and Walt Disney (a Nine), Albert Einstein (a Five) and Jim Henson (a Nine) to understand the similarities and differences between these two types more clearly.

Yeah....there's a strong possibility I'm a 9 instead of a 5. 954 tritype.

 

[Luminous]

Yeah....there's a strong possibility I'm a 9 instead of a 5.

I think that could work. Yep.



Welcome to the club!

Here's your rule book, badge, and say this to get into the clubhouse *whispers the secret code word*.

We'll teach you the secret handshake later.

Have some crackers:

 

[Stigmata]

Having my annual type dilemma (mild case this time). Let's talk tritype turkey. I feel fairly settled on some combination of 5,9,4, yet I just can't determine the order. Also I feel like so/sp is right, but some feedback on that would be helpful as well...

 

[Saturnal Snowqueen]

Having my annual type dilemma (mild case this time). Let's talk tritype turkey. I feel fairly settled on some combination of 5,9,4, yet I just can't determine the order. Also I feel like so/sp is right, but some feedback on that would be helpful as well...

I like so/sp for you Stig. You don't really strike me as 4 core, but I can definitely see a 5 or 9 core. What's got you so confused on order?

 

[Maou]

I'm a 4 first, and we have been compared. I personally don't think we are that similar except maybe humor. So you are either 5 or 9 first.

I actually would put you as 954, rather than 594. You have the vibe of intensity under the surface that a lot of 9-4 have. But you don't come off as investigating or pushing either. On discord, I also don't think I've seen you take initiative in conversations. You much prefer to play off of what others put out first. That has always seemed more 9 to me.

I would also put sp/so or so/sp for you too.

 

[Peter Deadpan]

Let me halp, frand:

I think from a distance, So/Sp is the easy answer for you, but you are not at all like the other social 5s I know. They are much more noisy and abrasive about their views of humanity... you will know what a social 5 thinks about at least one group of people. I tend to go through periods where I get rather annoyed with my social 5 friends because they can be very dismissive of or even blind to individualism, rather lumping people together and drawing patterns that are too broad and generalized. With that in mind, perhaps you are Sp? Instincts carry down through the fixes, and I think Sp 4 probably also fits you better than So 4. I don't think everyone can sense what is under the surface with you, unless they are somehow a bit like you and know what hiding certain things feels and looks like. In 4s, that strategy definitely goes to the self-preservation subtype.

If anything is socially oriented in you, I think it's your sense of humor. You are good at making crazy detailed Ne jokes about people or types of people. In short... I may have to think about it some more. 5w4, 594 seems pretty good though. If you cried a few more times a year in your blog, I'd maybe say 549, but you are pretty chill and low-key... your wing barely shows in that sense, and it almost shows more by comparison of a lack of stronger 6-wing.

 

[Burning Paradigm]

Based on our so-far brief interactions, you struck me as a 5 with a 9-fix. So-dom based on your knowledge of and attunement to sports (I'm half-kidding).