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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Just trust it? What kind of rubbish is that?
    It's rubbish that gets results.

    Quote Originally Posted by Winter View Post
    Alright. So out of those, INTP and ISTP sound the closest. Function-wise, I sound INTP.
    She's now at least got a starting place.

    *

    Here's some more resources you can check out, Winter:

    http://www.mypersonality.info/personality-types/intp/
    http://www.mypersonality.info/personality-types/intj/

    http://www.mypersonality.info/personality-types/istp/
    http://www.mypersonality.info/personality-types/istj/

    How accurate does INTP sound? How about ISTP?
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    "I trust what you are doing though…I just see it a little differently.
    I don’t see it as you stepping away from the fire. I see it as the fire directing your course.
    No matter how airy or earthy or watery you become... to many of us you will always be...a super nova."

    "Behind these gates of seeming warmth sits, loosely chained, a fierce attack dog. Perhaps not crazy, but dangerous"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    It's rubbish that gets results.
    A result can only be as good as the process used to obtain it.
    If the process sucks, so will the results.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.
    — Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    A result can only be as good as the process used to obtain it.
    If the process sucks, so will the results.
    That isn't true.

    A shitty process can actually get you the right results, time and time again.

    Just look at Ptolemy's astronomical predictions...

    That being said, when it comes to my process, worrying about the fact that "equipped" is misspelled is about as trivial a complaint as can be.
    The Justice Fighter

    INTJ - 6w5 8dw 3w4 sx/so - Neutral Good

    "I trust what you are doing though…I just see it a little differently.
    I don’t see it as you stepping away from the fire. I see it as the fire directing your course.
    No matter how airy or earthy or watery you become... to many of us you will always be...a super nova."

    "Behind these gates of seeming warmth sits, loosely chained, a fierce attack dog. Perhaps not crazy, but dangerous"

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    Those who are honest with ourselves are doomed to see a lot of variation in "functions" play out in our lives.

    That said, it might be a good start to focus on what doesn't play out as much.

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    Well, after the need for honesty, comes the need for accuracy.

    Seeing a lot of variation in functions could be due to a lack of honesty, or a lack of accuracy, or because it really just is the case.
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    INTJ - 6w5 8dw 3w4 sx/so - Neutral Good

    "I trust what you are doing though…I just see it a little differently.
    I don’t see it as you stepping away from the fire. I see it as the fire directing your course.
    No matter how airy or earthy or watery you become... to many of us you will always be...a super nova."

    "Behind these gates of seeming warmth sits, loosely chained, a fierce attack dog. Perhaps not crazy, but dangerous"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    That is not true.

    The shitty process can actually get you the right results, time and time again.

    Just look at Ptolemy's astronomical predictions...

    That being said, when it comes to my process, worrying about the fact that "equipped" was misspelled is about as erroneous an error as can be.
    Ok, Victor . . .

    To insinuate that the misspelled word has anything to do with a process/result is nothing more than a weak attempt to take the conversation off course. Save those switcheroo games for the kiddies. We both know the "processes" used to assess type stinks. Oh, unless you want to ask Winter whether she/he prefers mustard or ketchup, then you will certainly have created the process to hit the mother lode of accuracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Ok, Victor . . .
    C'mon... if you're gunna complain about a weak attempt to take a conversation off course...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    To insinuate that the misspelled word has anything to do with a process/result is nothing more than a weak attempt to take the conversation off course. Save those switcheroo games for the kiddies.
    Umm... actually, I was just continuing the line of conversation...

    To review:

    Quote Originally Posted by Winter
    The INTP one spelled 'equipped' wrong. How do I know that information's accurate?
    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra
    Heh. Just trust it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar
    Just trust it? What kind of rubbish is that?
    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra
    It's rubbish that gets results.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar
    A result can only be as good as the process used to obtain it.
    If the process sucks, so will the results.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra
    That isn't true.

    A shitty process can actually get you the right results, time and time again.

    Just look at Ptolemy's astronomical predictions...

    That being said, when it comes to my process, worrying about the fact that "equipped" is misspelled is about as trivial a complaint as can be.
    The only issue raised with my process at that point was the misspelling of the word "equipped", which is why I laughed.

    If you want to take specific issue with another part of my process, feel free to raise that issue -- but it has not been raised yet, so I was not pulling a switcheroo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    We both know the "processes" used to assess type stinks. Oh, unless you want to ask Winter whether she/he prefers mustard or ketchup, then you will certainly have created the process to hit the mother lode of accuracy.
    Well, that's fine and all, but, per her words:

    Quote Originally Posted by Winter View Post
    Type me, please?
    Find my MBTI thing?
    ...
    So, like, feel free to ask questions or whatever to help determine my type.
    Please and thank you! :3
    I was just doing as she asked.
    The Justice Fighter

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    "I trust what you are doing though…I just see it a little differently.
    I don’t see it as you stepping away from the fire. I see it as the fire directing your course.
    No matter how airy or earthy or watery you become... to many of us you will always be...a super nova."

    "Behind these gates of seeming warmth sits, loosely chained, a fierce attack dog. Perhaps not crazy, but dangerous"

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    Let's try this again. A result can only be as good as the process used to obtain it.
    If the process sucks, so will the results.

    If you don't agree, I don't care.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Let's try this again. A result can only be as good as the process used to obtain it.
    If the process sucks, so will the results.

    If you don't agree, I don't care.
    It's not that I don't agree that better processes are better than worse processes.

    It's also not that I don't agree that the functions could be make-believe, or that MBTI-prescribed function order could very well be wrong.

    Nor do I disagree that tests could simply give you a result to those tests, and not actually be telling you anything real about yourself.

    And I know that you know that I don't make those kinds of assumptions, cuz I contend as much with pretty consistent regularity...

    But, if someone's trying to find her MBTI-type, regardless of whether or not that's something useful or real at all, I do have a process for helping them find it.

    Putting the reality of the MBTI model aside, who knows, maybe my method is not accurate... but, likewise, hell, maybe it is...

    I've done it for a number of other people who ended up thinking that the result was pretty much spot on.

    How do I do it?

    I ask them three questions, and then offer them the most likely profiles, according to their answers.

    1. I ask them a question to see whether they are an introvert or an extrovert.
    2. I ask them a question to see whether they have a higher preference for thinking or feeling.
    3. I ask them a question to see whether they have a higher preference for intuition or sensing.
    4. And, finally, I have them read the profiles for the two (or four, or eight, or 16) types I could have potentially narrowed them down to, based on their answers to 1,2, and 3.

    I don't tell them they are absolutely that type, can be nothing else, and that there's no more complexity to their personality than these 16 discrete, distinct, cut-and-dry boxes.

    I give them a number of potential fits, and information for further consideration/study.

    And if they have further questions about typology's reality or complexity, I'm here to help them with what information I can.

    The Justice Fighter

    INTJ - 6w5 8dw 3w4 sx/so - Neutral Good

    "I trust what you are doing though…I just see it a little differently.
    I don’t see it as you stepping away from the fire. I see it as the fire directing your course.
    No matter how airy or earthy or watery you become... to many of us you will always be...a super nova."

    "Behind these gates of seeming warmth sits, loosely chained, a fierce attack dog. Perhaps not crazy, but dangerous"

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