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ENTP, INTP, INTJ, or INFP?

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I've had some trouble figuring out my type. I almost always test INTP and I find that it describes me with some accuracy, but I have some doubts about the truth of the matter.

E vs I

I have always avoided crowds and prefer being by myself rather than with others, but I've come to realize that this is usually because of the people rather than myself. I just don't find conversations with most people interesting or worth my time. I'm not saying most people aren't intelligent, spending time with them simply isn't fun. I've met a few cool people in my life, many of whom were introverts, and I seemed to want socialization with them more than they wanted socialization with me, which is why I doubt I'm an introvert. If I lived in an island where everyone was an extremely intelligent, open-minded, socialist then I'd be the most extroverted person in the world.

N vs S

I am almost certainly an N. I enjoy concepts and ideas instead of concrete facts. There is no way I am an S.

T vs F

I have a very logical thinking process and I notice patterns everywhere. Graphs, shapes, and symbols fly through my head whenever I think. I'm not very emotional either. I never cry and usually laugh at overly-dramatic people. I almost never get offended at anything and am usually on the offending side, especially on the internet. However, I tend to get frustrated easily and become emotional in those situations. A couple of weeks ago I had an argument with a creationist and in the middle of a debate I just broke down and started half-screaming expletives and offending their intelligence. I ended by saying that religion is a regressive force in society and that religious worship should be illegal. Obviously, I dont' believe that but I nevertheless said it in the heat of the moment.

Something else that makes me doubt my T is that I have a very keen sense of other people's motivations and emotions at any given time. I can see right through others. I don't know if this is an F thing or a T thing, since finding out people's moods is sort of a logical process.

P vs J

I am very disorganized, am a huge procrastinator, and my room is extroardinarily messy. This points towards me being a P, but I also am impatient with other people; the creationist debate is an example. It seems like I have the worst aspects of both P and J at the same time. I also tend to arrive early to interviews, but I'm not sure that's a very big factor...

Functions

I would rate my functions in this order:

Ni, Ne and Ti, Fi, Te, Si, Fe, Se.

My understanding of Ni is that it "recycles" ideas and concepts and uses them to help understand another concept, sort of like I used "recycle" in this very sentence. I do this constantly; I learned about dissipation, for example, in economics and I immedeately made the connection with physics, which helped me understand the concept much better. This also happens with every-day activities as well. If that's wrong, then Ni is definately not first on the list.

Ne and Ti are virtually tied. None of them overpower the other.

Closing

Anyway, please help me find my type. Thanks. This was sort of poorly written since I was in a hurry, so let that not distract you from the subject matter.

edit: recessive vs regressive
 

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You vibe me INT. There's no way you're an INFP.

Something else that makes me doubt my T is that I have a very keen sense of other people's motivations and emotions at any given time. I can see right through others. I don't know if this is an F thing or a T thing, since finding out people's moods is sort of a logical process.

This doesn't really seem to be T or F per se, but using your F function with your intuition preference.

INTJ, ENTP, and INTP all have different interaction styles. Here's some links on those. After the description, there are four other descriptions which briefly describe how the interaction style manifests itself in each type-

ENTP is get things going- Get-Things-Going
INTP is behind the scenes- Behind-the-Scenes
INTJ is chart the course- Chart-the-Course

INTJ links-

INTJ
INTJ - On A Team

INTP links-

INTP
INTP - On A Team

ENTP links-

ENTP
ENTP - On A Team

There's also information on the cognitive processes on this site. Hope that helps.
 

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How would you differentiate between an INTP and an ENTP?
 

JocktheMotie

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ENTPs are insufferable until about 20 years old or so. INTPs are always insufferable.

In all seriousness, the ENTP will prefer action over thought, the INTP vice versa.
 

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I also forgot to add something that could maybe point towards ENTP: I love messing with people and making them uncomfortable unless it would somehow jeapordize me. For example, I would walk down an empty street except for one person and say "excuse me" while looking at him and continue walking, talking with myself. On the bus I sometimes break out in laughter after staring at the floor to make the people sitting near me uneasy. Those are pretty bad examples because, like I said before, I am in a hurry, but I hope it gets the general idea across.
 

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In what way are they insufferable?
 

Fecal McAngry

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You are a heartless, revoltingly messy, hermetic and antisocial INTP. You pick your nose and eat your own boogers. You haven't showered in 19 days, and probably won't again for at least that long. Sometimes you "forget" to wipe. Your heroes are Ralph Nader and Noam Chomsky.
 

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I also forgot to add something that could maybe point towards ENTP: I love messing with people and making them uncomfortable unless it would somehow jeapordize me. For example, I would walk down an empty street except for one person and say "excuse me" while looking at him and continue walking, talking with myself. On the bus I sometimes break out in laughter after staring at the floor to make the people sitting near me uneasy. Those are pretty bad examples because, like I said before, I am in a hurry, but I hope it gets the general idea across.

You're just a dick.
 

JocktheMotie

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In what way are they insufferable?

VVVVVV

I also forgot to add something that could maybe point towards ENTP: I love messing with people and making them uncomfortable unless it would somehow jeapordize me. For example, I would walk down an empty street except for one person and say "excuse me" while looking at him and continue walking, talking with myself. On the bus I sometimes break out in laughter after staring at the floor to make the people sitting near me uneasy. Those are pretty bad examples because, like I said before, I am in a hurry, but I hope it gets the general idea across.
 

VagrantFarce

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How would you differentiate between an INTP and an ENTP?

I would look at the Tertiary Function - INTPs have Si, whereas ENTPS have Fe.

Do you relate to either of these:

Tertiary Si (INxP): "I can't possibly go along with this, I don't have any reliable concepts or map to anchor myself with: it's all arbitrary and untrustworthy and meaningless. I'd be diving in without any orientation; I'd be tripped up or harmed from any random direction, and my efforts wouldn't be cumulative. I just won't budge. I'll build myself some barricades and wait for the storm to blow over." The Secondary Function (Ne) would say: "Look around, shake up the pot, see what new arises, and deal with it imaginatively; there must be better alternatives available than being stuck here."

Tertiary Fe (ExTP): "I'll lay a guilt trip on this guy, tell him all I've done for him and suggest that the next time he's in a tough spot, he might need my help. Well, hmm, ok, I'll be all friendly. I'll smile, tell him I like him, what a great guy he is. Well, hmm, that's not working, either. Ok, I'll make him look bad in the eyes of his friends." The Secondary Function (Ti) would say: "What is the truth? Not what people would agree is true, not an angle on the truth for making it palatable to someone, but the whole, honest truth?"

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Note said:
I also forgot to add something that could maybe point towards ENTP: I love messing with people and making them uncomfortable unless it would somehow jeapordize me. For example, I would walk down an empty street except for one person and say "excuse me" while looking at him and continue walking, talking with myself. On the bus I sometimes break out in laughter after staring at the floor to make the people sitting near me uneasy. Those are pretty bad examples because, like I said before, I am in a hurry, but I hope it gets the general idea across.

Haha, what?
 

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I also forgot to add something that could maybe point towards ENTP: I love messing with people and making them uncomfortable unless it would somehow jeapordize me. For example, I would walk down an empty street except for one person and say "excuse me" while looking at him and continue walking, talking with myself. On the bus I sometimes break out in laughter after staring at the floor to make the people sitting near me uneasy. Those are pretty bad examples because, like I said before, I am in a hurry, but I hope it gets the general idea across.

i did shit like this to my sister when i was 12 and under. but, many types messed with their siblings this way, so i wouldn't say this is a type thing. but a 'something else' thing.

maybe it's time you asked mom for a little brother. i don't know.
 

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INTP who doesn't understand functions well enough yet to recognize that Ni is not high in his cognitive hierarchy. (And no, it doesn't matter what a cognitive functions test told you.)
 

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I gotta agree with the NTP with no idea of Ni. Your description of Ni is pure Ne.
 

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After further research, it seems like I am an INTP. However, I'm unusually combative for an INTP and love conflict (not physical, I mean debates and arguments), and seem to be more of a dick than most INTPs as well.
 
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I would look at the Tertiary Function - INTPs have Si, whereas ENTPS have Fe.

Do you relate to either of these:

I have a hard time with this tertiary Fe description. It's seems so dude-ish and purposely manipulative. Fe isn't like that at all for me- I'm not really consciously manipulative, I'm just trying to present my best self, or wanting someone to like me because I like them as well.

It's more like, "He's not calling me back? Okay, I'll write him an email and tell him I'm totally sorry. Wait. He didn't respond. I'll write him a joke text and tell him I was kidding so that he doesn't think I was being serious because he probably didn't even care. Still no word? What the hell is his problem? I hate him and his whole family because they so obviously hate me. No, next time I see them, I'll just be extra chill and calm and rock them with my dry wit. Once they see how I really am, they won't be able to help but love me."
 

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You are most certainly INTP.

Being frustrated with others has to do with your rigid internal sense of logic. You simply cannot understand why on earth someone would believe in something illogical. Ti is a judging function, so it has to do with your value systems and why you find certain approaches to life important. It's difficult for anyone to see past this.

Also introverts do not necessarily hate being around everyone, we're just pickier and more reserved about the people we let in to our lives. Your description makes perfect sense.
 

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It's more like, "He's not calling me back? Okay, I'll write him an email and tell him I'm totally sorry. Wait. He didn't respond. I'll write him a joke text and tell him I was kidding so that he doesn't think I was being serious because he probably didn't even care. Still no word? What the hell is his problem? I hate him and his whole family because they so obviously hate me. No, next time I see them, I'll just be extra chill and calm and rock them with my dry wit. Once they see how I really am, they won't be able to help but love me."

So you're telling me that this is not a steady decline into desperate manipulation? ;)
 
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brainheart

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So you're telling me that this is not a steady decline into desperate manipulation? ;)

Well... yeah... but I'm not trying to be manipulative. I just don't know how to solve it and I want things to turn out how I want them to turn out. I just... want to be... loved! :cry: (Unless I don't love you, then forget it, don't even try. I mean, seriously, leave me alone.)

Geez, vagrant, do you have to go and be so on point?
 
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