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  1. #1
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    Default What type is the chaos ?

    So now that I figured you got some self-derailment going on, I choosed to step in.

    I read this in Socionics and that is basically the same like an ENTP, but every function position is flipped:


    INTJ - LII , The Analyst

    Ego block
    The LII is usually a conceptual thinker with clearly delineated views and ideologies. Unless life forces him to earn a living doing physical labor, the LII prefers to apply his analytical thinking skills to non-material aspects of things: planning organizational structures, developing ideas, analyzing data, and reaching conclusions. No matter what he does or where he works, the LII will have a distinct focus on clarifying thought and ways of looking at things.

    1. Introverted logic
    The LII naturally assesses statements, opinions, and actions in terms of conformance to certain principles. These principles may in practice be rules of thumb based on experience, but LIIs will usually appeal to more general, self-evident reasons, if the need arises. The LII is most engaged in communication when he is critically analyzing people's decisions and actions as well as how they generally are or are not consistent with certain pre-established goals. His dual, the ESE, likes hearing the LII's judgment, and simultaneously softens its edge by shifting his focus to how he is communicating his ideas, letting him see the intellectual thought process from the outside. The ESE appreciates and praises his ability to take the information seriously, but the ESE will find funny ways of reminding him of how he is coming across when he seems more serious than he realizes.

    "Just because" is not in an LII's vocabulary. If there is a reason for something, the LII will probably want to find it. The LII can effortlessly reduce things to their most essential aspects, and mentally recreate the whole from the bottom up. The LII's theoretical tendencies can often leave him out of touch with reality, and if unchecked may lead to "crackpot" theories that are internally consistent but seem somewhat eccentric to others.

    The LII may explore many avenues of thought, but in the end only tell others his refined conclusions, because he sees the intermediate steps as irrelevant. He is often too concise for his own good, making it difficult for others to understand his ideas.

    2. Extroverted intuition
    The LII often applies Ti in an academic field such as mathematics, one which allows for abstract speculation to be realized in concrete conclusions. The LII does not much care for implementation or hands-on work, requiring some degree of independence from material demands in order to develop his own ideas. If the LII feels made to do a task he perceives as boring, he will try to find an original way to do it, if simply for the sake of developing an interesting idea. The LII can think on his feet, and is able to consider multiple viewpoints, although if he feels that he has fully analyzed an idea in the past, he may dismiss it out of hand with Ti.

    The LII is always in tune with the "big picture", looking at things from the most general perspective possible. Given this frame of reference, he sees many ways ordinary life could be changed to meet his vision of how things should be. Thus the LII is often seen by other more practically-minded types as naively idealistic.

    The LII does not come up with ideas simply for their own sake, but tries to relate everything back to "the main point". He quickly becomes impatient or disinterested with discussion that is simply meant to generate ideas, instead of realizing them.

    Super-Ego block
    3. Introverted ethics
    The LII is acutely aware of social conventions, such as saying "please" and "thank you", and expends much effort to conform to these rules to maintain the status of a "nice" person. But he tends to overdo the conventions themselves, as opposed to the relationships they are supposed to establish, and so ends up stepping on other people's toes (violating some less easily definable convention which he would never really want to conform to anyways). He prefers an easy-going environment where such conventions don't exist in the first place. When in a heated argument, an LII can alienate others by his natural tendency to hold and defend strong opinions (Ti).

    If asked to express a unique, personal sentiment, such as a favorite color or football team, the LII may find difficulty choosing if there is no "obvious" answer. He often feels like he has no real personal, subjective feelings at all, and usually has to make a conscious decision where other types could easily supply an instinctive reaction.

    The LII also is very sensitive about how other people see him, feeling depressed if he has affections that are not returned. For this reason, he tends to avoid expressing signals that show interest in certain people (as opposed to signals about his general mood and demeanor, which he feels to be much more natural), but of course it just aggravates his loneliness, instead of relieving it.

    4. Extroverted sensing
    The LII hates being ordered what to do, and chafes especially under orders that don't make sense to him. In such cases the LII is likely to criticize the authority but if he does he is not subtle about it, and usually ends up being marked as a "rebel" and feeling even more frustrated than he did to begin with. An LII works best alone, so that he doesn't have to subordinate (to) others or constantly negotiate his priorities (Fi), which strains his patience and diverts his time and attention away from reworking his understanding; if he is forced to waste time defending what he already knows, he gives up the freedom to deepen his understanding further. He does not tolerate pushiness combined with close-mindedness.

    The LII does not like being simply told "get real" or "get off your duff", which he views as crude, intrusive, and even insulting to his intelligence. He strongly prefers to be left alone or better, included in an atmosphere of open discussion that is receptive to his thoughts and at the same time will inspire new generalizations and refinements thereof.

    If the LII has a problem that cannot be solved intellectually, but requires direct personal confrontation, he may resort to total avoidance rather than approaching the person directly, which he thinks will produce only frustration and contempt. The LII wishes that everyone would just listen to reason instead of immaturely insisting on having their own way.

    Super-Id block
    5. Extroverted ethics
    Being a naturally private person, the LII finds it difficult to believe that others would be interested in what he is thinking or feeling at any given moment. He feels stifled if his interaction with the people around him is too distant, yet he only rarely makes an effort to venture into more intimate spheres.

    To this end, the LII, above all things, appreciates others' attempts to get him to "open up" and share his hopes, fears, and view of the world in a non-judgmental and interactive way - not just to observe, but to participate in his world and bring it to fulfillment. Visible demonstrations of emotional warmth play a major part in this: something as simple as a big smile and a hug is enough to brighten an LII's day. The LII can be attracted to insincere displays of affection, even if he consciously realizes that they are only in jest.

    The LII is often at a loss for what to do in social situations, and appreciates others who make him feel included in a new group and in the emotional side of a situation. The LII tends to take life very seriously, and appreciates others who can show him the lighter side of things.

    6. Introverted sensing
    The LII has poor control over his physical well-being, neglecting matters of simple hygiene relatively easily. He dislikes having to take care of mundane details of work, but simultaneously derives pleasure from aesthetic neatness and organization.

    The LII is easily annoyed by sensory over-stimulation, including loud noises, bright light, and temperature. On the other hand, he easily becomes "addicted" to more pleasurable things, such as music, which have a corresponding effect on his mood (Fe). When left to his own devices, the LII tends to oscillate unhealthily between total indulgence of the senses and total neglect (the latter especially when working on something he feels to be extremely important). He tends to feel guilty for indulging in hedonism for the sake of hedonism.

    On the surface the LII can seem easygoing, but in work projects or at home his critical nature will become more obvious.

    Id block
    7. Extroverted logic
    The LII can easily criticize whether something is impractical or not, but if he does so he will always feel it necessary to explain exactly why it is impractical - since he wouldn't expect any less from someone else; in fact he wouldn't believe them without an explanation. He dislikes rote memorization of dates and the like (often going to incredible lengths to avoid it), but paradoxically will often have a mental store of many arcane pieces of information (such as the first 100 digits of pi) he finds interesting or equally absurd technical skills (like mastering a video game). Such skills and information will either be a part of his leisure activities, or relate directly to his main interests, which he chooses not based on their immediate practical consequence, but on how interesting they are.

    The LII only exchanges such information in conversation for entertainment, and criticizes overly bland or rambling analyses, especially if he feels they have no point.

    8. Introverted intuition
    The LII criticizes others for employing overly obscure or personal concepts, seeing them as pretentious or muddled. He can accurately predict the consequences of actions, but avoids directing or giving warnings to others, preferring to simply make the decisions himself. Broad analyses of historical trends based on factual evidence are uninteresting to him after he has "mined" them for their more salient features or concepts.

    Common social roles
    The lone repository of truth the last stalwart in a crazy world of illogic and delusion.
    The self-sacrificing workaholic who works hard, not in order to earn money, but because he doesn't want to give anything less than 100%.
    Mr. or Ms. Literal, who says exactly what (s)he means, and trusts that you will too.
    The book worm who spends every moment of every day reading.
    The smart aleck who never lets authorities tell him what to think and always finds a way to get the last word.
    The specialist who devotes every waking moment to excelling in an extremely narrow but highly competitive field.


    I do read a lot of truth in there. Fact is I follow my projects through or at least I dont forget about them and do it someday later. But when I say it, I make it !

  2. #2
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    "Being a naturally private person, the LII finds it difficult to believe that others would be interested in what he is thinking or feeling at any given moment. He feels stifled if his interaction with the people around him is too distant, yet he only rarely makes an effort to venture into more intimate spheres."


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