I liked the thread
Kinesthetic Intuition?.
One big tell is whether or not you have pockets of sensory rigidity/sensitivity. It's difficult to find the right word, but there is a huge difference between strong Se and inferior Si, but it is very familiar to me to spot. People who are Se dom or aux will have a kind of command of sensory experience in the moment that enables them to be very aware, but also very adaptable. I can give a few specific examples like a handyman that used to work on my house who was an ESTP. When I asked the group of people what they wanted on their sandwich for lunch, the tertiary or inferior Si people were extremely specific about their sandwiches because they needed the flavor to exactly match their internal expectation. The Se-dom guy said whatever basically constitutes a sandwich would be great. The Se-dom will be very aware of how the sandwich tastes, but there isn't an internal mapping of what it is supposed to be like, so they can enjoy a dozen different sandwiches with the same level of gusto. Si has more internal mapping and needs the sandwich to match expectations. In this way people with Si will tend to seem more discriminating about sensory details and more sensitive to finding experiences that match expectations which can be driven by familiarity or quality and taste. When Si is tertiary or inferior it will tend to be less consistent, often being absent in the face of obliviousness that results from their abstract, intuitive focus. Someone with strong Ne and low Si might become enthusiastic about the "idea" of some exotic sandwich, and may be able to enjoy it because of internally wanting to like it combined with being somewhat oblivious to how horrible it actually tastes to them. The strong Se person will try out the weird sandwich and enjoy a wider range of possibilities because of having less judgment about what tastes "good" or "bad". Not to say they don't have any, but it is not as detail oriented as Si.
I switch between being particular and being adaptable for some things. I don't eat certain meats and I do some other ones, overall I got less picky with food than as a kid. Not really picky with things otherwise and can make myself adapt to things ok. Especially when I am focused on some task to be done. Or when I just decide to be adaptable. When I said I'm not really picky tho'...I do get particular bc I just fall into that routine thingy but I easily adapt when I need to or I just adapt anyway. I only am truly picky with the meat stuff and even that's less true over time.
Weird sandwich: assuming it's not the meat stuff I dislike, I'd try it out if I like the looks of it or I just feel like it. I'd dislike it if it tasted horrible. There is no way you or any abstract thought can distract me from noticing it tastes horrible, lol... I can like some weird combinations tho'.
Overall I'm good with noticing the details and good with recognising them for the next instance of the same thing, but I don't get attached to some of it. Or I get attached for a while then one day I'm in the mood for change so I drop it and I switch to something else instead. It really is hard for me to think of anything where I was truly attached for longer than a few months or whatever before switching.
Um, ok the one exception from that is the systems I made myself for some things. I mean I keep those for decades even. I don't see the need to change these and don't like the idea of doing so. But if we speak of truly sensory preferences then yeah yeah it automatically changes every few weeks/months/whatever.
Here is a weird little guide (correct me if I'm wrong) to how perceptive functions relate to sandwiches.
Si: These are the specific sauces needed, but they need to be added in specific amounts proportioned 1:3:2, and just a dash of this spice only two shakes of the bottle - one on each side of the sandwich. It needs to be toasted, but only very lightly or the flavor on the turkey will become too smokey. The cheese needs to melt just enough, but never bubble up. It is also important to keep the bread fluffy at all times.
Se: I may try a couple of sauces this time and double meat and cheese. Which type? Any of them will be fine. Whatever you need to use up first.
Ne: I'm curious to try this type of sandwich they make in Outer Mongolia where there are spices that cannot be found any place else in the world. Oh, or I can just create my own sandwich unlike any sandwich ever imagined by a human.
Ni: What is a sandwich? How is it that humans the world over have created breads to hold meats and vegetable to eat. Is there something instinctual in the human mind that keeps recreating the same food concepts in a kind of polygenesis. "What?" "Sure, I'll have some mustard sauce" "Oh, am I holding up the line?"
Edit: I just started a sandwich thread based on this post bc I thought it would be fun.
Si: damn, I'll never waste this much time in the kitchen on a turkey. So staying with sandwiches or other really simple quickly made foods, ... I kinda what I do is, I do the thing once, two times, three times, and by then I'll have some little system of steps coming together that I just automatically repeat. I'm not totally precise with all of the looks/proportions of things etc but I have an instinct for getting it right anyhow and the steps/timings are the same automatically.
Se: I sometimes switch things up like that. If I feel in the mood for it. Not often. Which type of cheese....I'd have several I like to choose from. I would like some of them less, I'd have some favourites. But I could switch to a bit less liked one if I feel like it sometimes or nothing else is left. But I do want to maximise enjoyment so I won't switch from the several favourites/"good enough" options often. Except when I try the new thing sometimes when in the mood to switch things up.
Ne: Ok? If someone else does it? Not me, I have zero patience for bothering with food this much. But I've known people who do have a talent to make exotic food like that and I enjoy the results often - idk if they are Ne people but deffffinitely N types. They look for the new *and* quality and bc they care about QUALITY, I like the results bc they are enjoyable...
Ni: The fuck? Please I'll just shoot you if you want to distract me from the enjoyment like that. Take your ontology bullshit elsewhere. This is really depressive to me trying to find meaning in the smallest simplest things that are just to be enjoyed. Depressive or even psychotic lololol. The sentence
"Is there something instinctual in the human mind that keeps recreating the same food concepts in a kind of polygenesis" was abstract enough to not bother me like, it doesn't get in the way of enjoying the actual stuff. So I can listen to such stuff okay. As long as it makes a little sense at least : P (Idk how the polygenesis thingy would make sense : PP but it sounded nice abstract at first lolol, and the rest of the sentence too)
Overall the Se felt a bit too chaotic and unnecessary overkill to always switch things up. Too non-discriminating where it says any type of cheese is fine, again, whatever's to be used up first...what? no. When having to pick and buy it in a shop then yeah maybe. But otherwise I have some favourite cheeses, tho' I otherwise can eat all kinds of cheeses sure. Si felt like overkill too, I don't care to be this particular, but it was normal enough otherwise. Ne was ok for possibly good quality stuff, otherwise can't be bothered to focus on trying to do novel things like that. Ni was half psychotic lol and half interesting abstractness if it's actually sensible logically whatever's being said but yeah very not me again.
I found your sandwich explanation absolutely remarkable. I'm definitely Se in regards to sandwiches (lol). I literally tell my friends to put whatever on a sandwiches, I'll eat it already knowing full well what the options would be. Sometimes I've told people to just "surprise me".
I will say though, one stereo type I concerned myself with, was not coming off as coordinated or "athletic" enough. There are times I day dream or "zone out". But then I remind myself on the teachings of mindfulness and redirect my thoughts to the present moment. I feel its forced, due to spiritual enlightenment, without truly knowing If I'm naturally living in the moment. However, I know for a fact, I wont learn something, unless I'am physically doing it myself.
No way I'd just tell people to just surprise me bc I don't like some meat. There's some other things I don't like for food but I could deal with those more if I force myself to. I could with those types of meat too if I really had to but I want to enjoy what I eat, too.
I don't get the idea of mindfulness. Bc I almost never zone out and I really dislike to. I was under high stress for a while where I noticed I started zoning out and I disliked it. Didn't get pissed over it enough tho to get out of it right there and then. I only gradually came out of that disconnect into the sortof random-ish internal thoughts. Thank god I got out of it for the most part by now.
Ah and a principle of mine is, I don't daydream. ... waste of time, drains me, it's too airy-fairy a thing for me to do. I want to get things in reality, not in a daydream, that'd just annoy and frustrate me that I don't have it in actual tangible reality.
I'm a kinesthetic learner too but this actually means I commit things to memory best by doing. I um, understand things first by some sort of analysis of actions or by learning of explicit written rules/instructions I guess. I memorise those details after organising them enough (has to be organised before I can memorise!!). And then I commit that better to memory by doing, especially repeated doing/practice. That's when I truly feel I've committed it all to memory deeply strongly viscerally so that's a sortof learning too. That's when I get to fully trust my knowledge, really. I trust it before that too but there is just some extra added. I like to call that synergy. That's when my knowledge/understanding gets to start to flow better, less rigid. Tho' initially it can still be rigid if it's a lot of learned rules/instructions of a system. Then it takes awhile to make it not so rigid. But even while it is like that, I still can already utilise the knowledge/understanding pretty fast and okay. It just doesn't give me the synergy I feel I get to have when I changed it to less rigid and more seamlessly one with actions for doing things, tasks, while working for goals. Not literally "one", it's more just synergy really... because I still like to keep the technical details separate in my mind. I love having those on top of the actions/tasks that I do.
Whatever that means.
It can be frustrating dealing with Si for me. my high Si grandmother used to call me a barbarian in the kitchen. I still refuse to believe that it's "normal" to "eat with your eyes" The Se philosophy helped me get through the more frustrating aspects of the military eating experience, because it doesnt have to look or taste like anything in particular as long as it works.
Lol. I sometimes feel a barbarian in the kitchen and elsewhere too but I'm not that bad overall. Maybe a bit of a barbarian for a girl tho'. I just get impatient and use raw force where others would be more careful and detail-oriented. I'm just forceful in general. I can make myself switch to detail-oriented patient but eh. I mean, I do get the feeling sometimes that I want things to look nice and then I try and make myself switch to detail-oriented. Or I get to feel like it's a challenge to make it nice neat so switch then too. Do you relate to any of this at all?
As for the military part...I wasn't in the military but for a dietary regimen I do drop care about enjoyment. If it's the best food for my training and racing (I'm competitive) then I don't care how it tastes. Luckily I haven't had to eat the meat I really dislike, lol. But if it was truly important (in some weird thought experiment here) for my racing, I'd force myself to eat that too. Somehow I'd manage to, I'm sure.
So. I dunno, I dunno, I'm so 50/50 between this impatient forcefulness and between being neat&detail-oriented. .... Is that normal. lol
It really does play out in my life a lot.