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    It's been more than a year now. Things changed. Lets see how much.
    Early 20s, girl from Italy, uni student. Nothing particular to declare. Got some selfies around the forum.

    Personal concepts
    1. What is beauty? What is love?
    Beauty is a concept created by people, thus completely inexistent. It should be the aderence to some pre-established parametres, such as symmetry or a phantomatic poetical meaning.
    I see love as a series of chemical reactions which determine several sensations. It's all in our head, in a mechanistic way.

    2. What are your most important values?
    I don't think I have many values. The first one maybe is knowledge, a thirst for understanding even more. Ignorance is what annoys me the most in people, with the denial to know.
    I value actions on a scale of "is it a stupid or mentally degrading thing?". Often I feel really annoyed if something doesn't pass this test.
    But overall, also the "live and let live". I don't care about most of the actions you could make.
    3. Do you have any sort of spiritual/religious beliefs, and why do you hold (or don't) those beliefs in the first place?
    Undecided between atheism and agnosticism.
    Logically, my reasoning stops at agnosticism (during history, several religions alternated before being debunked. Thus it's impossible that yours is the "real" one.)
    If there must be something that started it all, who says it's sentient o a divinity? It could also be some kind of physical force in conditions of relativity, so maybe in a condition where time's virtually inexistent.

    Instinctively, I'm an atheist, and have been since I was a kid. The world as I see it is mechanistic and deterministic, no metaphysics involved.
    In high school, while studying philosophy, only one thing had me a hard time: "Pascal's bet".
    If you bet on God's existance and win, you really do win after you die. If you lose, you don't lose anything. If you bet on his non existance, if you win, you win nothing, if you lose, you're damned in hell.
    4. Opinion on war and militaries? What is power to you?
    I dream about an utopistic world where they aren't needed. They're a waste of resources and humans which could be used for the better, such as education or helping others.

    Interests
    5. What have you had long conversations about? What are your interests? Why?
    I'm a chemistry student, so lately I'm having long conversations about new results in research, mainly understanding how they work more than actually implementing them. Last one was about carbon nanotubes, which could be used by nasa to build a "space elevator".
    Besides that, I've always been into computer science (I'm gonna attend a phd in computational chemistry), so I'd like to go back to coding more often.
    Languages. During my life I've studied, besides english which is supposed to be my second language and italian, my first one, spanish, french, latin, ancient greek, russian and arabic. The last two on my own, the other ones in school.
    I love studying languages as much as I hate studying literature. I love to try and decipher the scheme and set of rules which define the language, while literature needs more memory than reasoning, I feel it "colder".
    When I was younger a was a lot into astronomy, now just occasionally I look at the sky and try finding the constellations, back then I used to study everything I could find about astronomy and astrophysics.
    6. Interested in health/medicine as a conversation topic? Are you focused on your body?
    It'd bore me to death. It's the only science I can't stand, except for farmacology.
    Since I've been in hospital for a month last year because a sinusitis had excalated in meningitis and orbital cellulitis and I was risking losing an eye, I'm very anxious about my health. I often check my heartbeat, I'm afraid something could go wrong.
    7. What do you think of daily chores?
    Boring. I procrastinate and pile them up until I'm forced to do them.
    9. What has made you cry? What has made you smile? Why?
    Last time I cried was linked to a breakup. It's been 6 months now, if I think about it I become gloomy and shed a tear.
    Smiling... after a messed up period in my life I've finally found friends and peace of mind. With them I feel wanted. So pretty lately while I was thinking about that.
    10. Where do you feel: at one with the environment/a sense of belonging?
    At one with the environment: never happened and never will, I don't see why or how should I feel I.
    A sense of belonging: I've recently moved to the other side of Italy in order to have a fresh new start. It worked. In my new city I can feel that sense of belonging

    Evaluation & Behaviour
    11. What have people seen as your weaknesses? What do you dislike about yourself?
    Weaknesses: disorganization, being too much emotive when I finally express my feelings.
    Right now I don't dislike anything about me. I've made major improvements to me and my life.
    Time ago I'd said the inability to behave in social gatherings, but now not anymore.

    13. In what areas of your life would you like help?
    Feelings management. They're really hard for me to grasp, understande and act accordingly.
    If something makes my happy, I start walking in circles and thinking about it for hours. If I'm truly sad I can become a bit of a drama queen.
    14. Ever feel stuck in a rut? If yes, describe the causes and your reaction to it.
    The environment in my family was toxic. I was stuck in the routine of arguments and hatred. My reaction was "fuck this, I'm out", maybe cowardly.


    People & Interactions
    15. What qualities do you most like and dislike in other people? What types do you get along with?
    Cleverness, gentleness, being able to guide me in social situations. My interactions are generally based on saying jokes in a light-hearted atmosfere.
    I hate ignorance, roughness, harshnwss.
    My friends are ENTPs, ESFJ, ISFJ, INTJ, ENFP.

    16. How do you feel about romance/sex? What qualities do you want in a partner?
    Confused. I couldn't have occasional sex, not without some kind of emotional connection before. But when the chemical reaction that I mentioned in the first answer is triggered and you feel good with a single person, then yes.
    But really often it doesn't work for me, I find it really hard compaired to others to fall in love.
    In a partner, I look for someone similar to me. Bonus points if he can take emotional initiative.
    17. If you were to raise a child, what would be your main concerns, what measures would you take, and why?
    I don't want to have a child, I don't feel that impulse. But I'd focus on reasoning with his more than scolding him and making sure he grows gentle and knowledgeable.
    18. A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward and outward reaction?
    Externally, I immediately proceed to explain why not. Internally, I'd think "that makes no sense, are you dumb?" and feel extremely annoyed.
    20. How do you choose your friends and how do you behave around them?
    It just happens. But with them, I can come across as bubbly or hyperactive. I make a lot of jokes and to things to annoy them, then I get tired of social interaction and become silent for hours. As I said, light-hearted atmosphere and a lot of jokes.
    21. How do you behave around strangers?
    I used to be really formal and stiff until a year ago. I'm kind of still am, but not that much. Awkward, a lot.
    Last edited by Methylene; 07-07-2019 at 06:22 PM.
    I don't think that it's so personal
    Anymore
    I don't think that it's irreversible
    Anymore
    Sometimes I feel like I'm a sentimental trooper.

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    From seeing a picture of you, I got a clear impression of ENTP.

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    Also, I saw a post from you recently where you were describing the steps you take in completing a report. That sort of thing is good for determining your type, because it's a way of seeing if you start with Ne, then go Ti then Fe then Si, or if you start with Ti, then go Ne then Si then Fe. Function order literally manifests in a sequential ordering a lot of the time. So think about whether the ideas or the logic is what you start with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    From seeing a picture of you, I got a clear impression of ENTP.

    --

    Also, I saw a post from you recently where you were describing the steps you take in completing a report. That sort of thing is good for determining your type, because it's a way of seeing if you start with Ne, then go Ti then Fe then Si, or if you start with Ti, then go Ne then Si then Fe. Function order literally manifests in a sequential ordering a lot of the time. So think about whether the ideas or the logic is what you start with.
    Let me guess, the one in lab?

    Discussing projects, I've always felt like my N was pretty weak. I know some ENPs, those guys are capable of throwing up at your face half a dozen ideas not really unrelated one to the another.
    For myself, it's more of "okay, this is the final goal, which are the ways strictly related to it that make sense and can help me?". I've found the "make sense" part is a major difference with other ENTPs. I've recently had a discussion with an ENTP colleague because I was extremely pissed off at his unprofessionality in lab and how he would just go nuts over possibilities while I was trying to actually finish the lab experience and understand what I was doing.

    Also, care about the report. The scheme I mentioned is given to us by the teacher and for some subjects even decided by law, so we're forced to go "theory, then procedures, then etcetera".
    I don't think that it's so personal
    Anymore
    I don't think that it's irreversible
    Anymore
    Sometimes I feel like I'm a sentimental trooper.

    6w5 - 3w4 - 9w8 so/sp
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    LII-Ne.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Methylene View Post
    Let me guess, the one in lab?

    Discussing projects, I've always felt like my N was pretty weak. I know some ENPs, those guys are capable of throwing up at your face half a dozen ideas not really unrelated one to the another.
    For myself, it's more of "okay, this is the final goal, which are the ways strictly related to it that make sense and can help me?". I've found the "make sense" part is a major difference with other ENTPs. I've recently had a discussion with an ENTP colleague because I was extremely pissed off at his unprofessionality in lab and how he would just go nuts over possibilities while I was trying to actually finish the lab experience and understand what I was doing.

    Also, care about the report. The scheme I mentioned is given to us by the teacher and for some subjects even decided by law, so we're forced to go "theory, then procedures, then etcetera".
    I mean the recent picture posted alongside that one where your face can be clearly seen. I'm typing based on facial features, not contextual clues. Basically... I have some idea of what each type looks like based on facial features, so I drew the connection based on that, but my accuracy isn't that high. I often get INFJ and ENFJ confused, so getting INTP and ENTP confused isn't a longshot.

    Ok, so you're following a standard procedure, which might say more about the average chemistry major or whoever made the procedure rather than you. But the idea of looking for sequential ordering of functions is what I think you'd want to focus on because that allows you to make judgement calls between types with the same last 3 letters.

    For example, in your post which I'm quoting now, you said "Let me guess..." which is an indicator of Ne. So you started with Ne, indicating it's likely to be the dominant function. However, you were also replying to an INFJ, and it's possible that skipping the Ti and going for the Ne was the response which made sense based on the situation.

    I'm having a look through some of your posts now to see if I can determine your function order, but I've been drinking so it might not get done. Lelz.

    From reading through the OP of this thread, you do mention an asocialness, but I just read that as Ti, not necessarily as Ti dominant. And you mention hyperactivity which I read as being ExxP, but maybe IxxP could fit that too.

    I'd still guess ENTP but if I can identify your function order from your posts I'll be sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    From reading through the OP of this thread, you do mention an asocialness, but I just read that as Ti, not necessarily as Ti dominant. And you mention hyperactivity which I read as being ExxP, but maybe IxxP could fit that too.

    I'd still guess ENTP but if I can identify your function order from your posts I'll be sure.
    This could be useful, at least I hope so: throughout my life, sociality has always been a major problem. I had decided to work on it as soon as I got out of teenage years, and it has been extremely painful and hard. My ENTP ex, ESFJ and ESTP friends helped me by giving advice and explaining me how I should've behaved according to the situations I was in.
    So, last year I moved to a new city 500kms away to live on my own, "new city, new me" and tried to make it better. Now I'm more sociable than before, but to the expense of a ton of energy.
    Same for the hyperactivity, I'm definitely fluctuating. A few hours I'm hyperactive, the rest of the day I'm on my own and don't feel like speaking with anyone.
    I don't think that it's so personal
    Anymore
    I don't think that it's irreversible
    Anymore
    Sometimes I feel like I'm a sentimental trooper.

    6w5 - 3w4 - 9w8 so/sp
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    LII-Ne.

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    I agree with @Legion, you seem ENTP to me.
    I wouldnt take INTP out of the table although.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vendrah View Post
    I agree with @Legion, you seem ENTP to me.
    I wouldnt take INTP out of the table although.
    Got it. But one thing which's always convinced me I wasn't Ne dom (I've typed ISTP as a young teen and ISxJ a few years ago) was that I actually suck at brainstorming or producing random ideas, I just often can't think of any. To me, that's often just random crap useless to the final purpose, while working in lab I often get annoyed at other ENTPs for wanting to experiment and not following the procedure.
    Other than that, I've always felt like I had a decent grasp on my Si, mainly related to nostalgia and associating a lot of sensations to certain memories, which I've found ENTPs rarely do, or also being extremely good at noticing differences with the past. It rarely was cause of anxiety, instead of my Fe or anything concerning the emotional sphere until a year ago.
    I don't think that it's so personal
    Anymore
    I don't think that it's irreversible
    Anymore
    Sometimes I feel like I'm a sentimental trooper.

    6w5 - 3w4 - 9w8 so/sp
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    In this case, I would like to invert.
    INTP, without getting ENTP out of the table.
    INTP has thertiary Si, strong thertiary Si explains the Sensing results in the past.
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    I looked through many of your posts. I found your Ne and Ti harder to read (harder to identify/classify, I mean) than your Fe and Si, but the latter half of posts, where relevant, were the more Fe+Si half. I spotted many examples of Si being used after Fe, and Fe being used directly after Ti, thus confirming my hypothesis that you are an ENTP. (if you'd like I can PM you with the particular posts I looked at and which functions I interpreted them as referring to)

    What I notice is that there is an Si theme that runs through many of your posts. So the reason that you may not seem as Ne as other ENTPs, and instead are more focused on the end-goal, may be that you're focusing on getting to the Si right from the very beginning. An Ne dominant can still do that. Doing so is likely useful in chemistry where there is a heavy ISFJ presence, but in general it's best to let your intuition roam free without necessarily tying it to "the purpose". The Si is still an important step, but I suspect you're overdoing it.

    For an Ni dom, it would be like only considering concepts/theories that are known to be present in reality. While it's good when a theory can be shown to refer to the outside world, requiring it before the speculative phase has even taken place would be stifling.

    (note: my analysis may not be correct, it's just what I'm seeing)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    I looked through many of your posts. I found your Ne and Ti harder to read (harder to identify/classify, I mean) than your Fe and Si, but the latter half of posts, where relevant, were the more Fe+Si half. I spotted many examples of Si being used after Fe, and Fe being used directly after Ti, thus confirming my hypothesis that you are an ENTP. (if you'd like I can PM you with the particular posts I looked at and which functions I interpreted them as referring to)

    What I notice is that there is an Si theme that runs through many of your posts. So the reason that you may not seem as Ne as other ENTPs, and instead are more focused on the end-goal, may be that you're focusing on getting to the Si right from the very beginning. An Ne dominant can still do that. Doing so is likely useful in chemistry where there is a heavy ISFJ presence, but in general it's best to let your intuition roam free without necessarily tying it to "the purpose". The Si is still an important step, but I suspect you're overdoing it.

    For an Ni dom, it would be like only considering concepts/theories that are known to be present in reality. While it's good when a theory can be shown to refer to the outside world, requiring it before the speculative phase has even taken place would be stifling.

    (note: my analysis may not be correct, it's just what I'm seeing)
    I like this analysis, at least it makes sense.
    But allow me to understand this one. I know I'm in a period of profound changes in my life, so it's hard even for me to understand.
    I've always thought I had a really good grasp on my Si (thus, the sp/so, and ISxJ typings). It has never been source of anxiety or discomfort in my life, I even used to use it to make other people feel better instead of directly going for Fe (could've been just because it was underdeveloped during my teen years, but who knows). I've always been the one to give a logical analysis about your problems, then maybe try to feel you better by providing sensory stimuli, not emotional help or even a hug, I'm terrible at that. It only began causing me anxiety after ending up in hospital last year, but I had risked either dying or losing an eye according to the docs, they called me a miracle for gaining back full health with no complications. Before that, my anxiety has always been Fe related, even if it could've just been an untreated social anxiety.

    During my teen years, my reasoning with other people would be "they've behaved like X in Y situation, so I should do X. If they do Z and in past it meant W, that's what it means", so it was Si before Fe.

    Also, another difference I've seen with my other N-first friends was when studying organic chemistry. It's very different from the other branches of chemistry because it's just "a dance of the electrons" and further rearrangings. I've always been terrible at that, prefering a field orchestrated by hard formulas, where X leads forcefully to Y everytime, you can easily understand it even when starting from Y, and I don't have to resort to spacial intelligence. With this I don't want to say that ENPs and INJ aren't present in physical chemistry, they actually are, but that I've observed that N-doms prefer other ones where they are freeer to go with their instinct and ideas ("the e- could go here, here, here, and here. Let me check which one is the more logical one") as opposed to "this is my goal. This one is the way that makes more sense, because this formula means X, now that I've reached my goal let me double check by considering the other possible ways".

    Another thing that I can't understand, is that excessive Ne annoys me a lot on the workplace and in everyday life. I would just go "could you please, please, would you shut up and consider what makes sense?".
    I've never been able to generate random unrelated ideas or let my intuition freely roam, that's why I've almost placed my Ne subdued to other functions.

    I'd also like to get your opinion about this post, because it's always been a strong recurrent motive throughout my life, and it's still present nowadays:



    I had read that considering people "blank noise" and unneeded is a sign of underdeveloped Fe. Could either be Fe-last or an unused tertiary.
    I don't think that it's so personal
    Anymore
    I don't think that it's irreversible
    Anymore
    Sometimes I feel like I'm a sentimental trooper.

    6w5 - 3w4 - 9w8 so/sp
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