[MENTION=18736]reckful[/MENTION], you've succeeded in not answering my question twice.
I'm looking to understand whether these things resonate with you personally 
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He makes one point that INTJs have a particularly difficult time putting their thoughts into words. It's been a lifelong challenge for me which I've worked hard to overcome because transferring meaning to others is essential to getting anything done in this world. Here is an excerpt from something I have written lately that I have not shared with anyone yet.
"There is this challenge with INTJs that they feel like they know the answer but are not very good at explaining why. An INTJ’s thought process is led through a form of intuition that is removed from consciousness. It is like there are a massive number of thoughts swimming around in your head, an answer pops out and you don’t know how you got there. This happens every day that you live and the timing of the insights you get is unpredictable. As INTJs, we live for these insights. It works the same way for INFJs. The process takes time. While extraverts quickly banter back and forth, the person who leads with dominant introverted intuition (INTJs and INFJs) is often still thinking. They haven’t had time to solidify their perceptions or form a conclusion, so they often say nothing. This is often a great loss to others because they can have important perspectives.
I cannot begin to tell you how frustrating this way of being was early in my life. I knew that I had good ideas but I could not get them implemented because I couldn’t communicate them well to others. From the standpoint of interacting with others, your timing is often off. You have a tendency to bring things up after others feel like they have already talked and arrived at conclusion and so your insights are ignored. You have a tendency to interject things into conversations when they pop into your head vs. when it may the most optimal time to do so. This is complicated of course by the fact that you can’t explain why you got to the answer you did. You just know. Here you are with all of these great insights and ideas and most people you interact with have absolutely no idea the depth of thinking that goes on in your head thus you are unappreciated. "
I don't think other introverts have this same issue to anywhere near the same extent. The only type I have known who is similarly challenged in articulating things verbally is the ISFP.
By the way, I am not some wallflower. I work the room at parties. I can be reasonably articulate. Some people have even called me polished (though I feel that goes too far). Mostly I've found a way to work around things.
I'd say I already answered your question to a greater degree than you're giving me credit for.
If an INTJ profile asserts that INTJs tend to breathe through their mouths and noses, would that "resonate with me personally"? No.
For something in a
type profile to
resonate with me personally in any meaningful way, it has to
both be something that applies to me
and be something about me that I think is
significantly truer of me than the average person. And my previous post noted that "there are plenty of things [Pierce] describes (see above) that are either Foreresque (not really more applicable to INTJs than the average person) or arguably
less likely to apply to INTJs than to the average person." And I pointed to a couple examples from your bullet points.
On the more specific issue in your latest post: not only have I never had an above-average difficulty in putting my thoughts into words, but on the contrary, I'd say I've always been substantially above-average (going back to my school days) in the articulateness department. I'm somewhat infamous, as you surely know, for my l-o-n-g forum posts (here and at other forums), and I'd be a less prolific producer of those if they were anything like a struggle for me to produce. But they're not. Depending on the post, I may spend a fair amount of time gathering my thoughts and hunting up quotes and etc., but then, thoughts gathered, I don't find putting them into words to be much of a challenge.
I definitely prefer writing to speaking, and don't like having to "think on my feet" — but even there, I'd say I'm significantly more articulate than the average person.
And as for your notion that "an INTJ’s thought process is led through a form of intuition that is removed from consciousness," I think that's pretty much just cognitive-function-based hoohah, and
here's a post about what I refer to as the "mystical taint" that you sometimes find in N (and especially Ni) descriptions.
Do I occasionally have an "aha!" moment. Yeah. Do I have them more often than the average person? Maybe, but I wouldn't swear that's true. Do I have them more often than the average N? I doubt it. (So much for "Ni.") But most importantly, do
most of the understandings I come to have seem to have a kind of "aha!" or out-of-nowhere quality?
Not. Even. Close.
And am I typically frustrated by a sense that there's something I "understand" in some kind of inchoate way but just can't seem to
put into words? No. Hardly ever, in fact.
Finally, as far as your frustration in conversations with your "timing" being off goes, I already acknowledged that I dislike having to "think on my feet," but that's been described as a typical
introverted characteristic going all the way back to Jung — and Myers was also on board with that.
Jung described the characteristic
slowness of introverts in conversation, and the awkwardness that resulted from their greater need (as compared to extraverts) to react inwardly for a substantial time before feeling they're ready to express their own thoughts. Chapter 9 of
Psychological Types is a discussion of Ostwald's
Great Men — a book where Ostwald had talked about two kinds of famous men, the "romantic" types (who Jung explained were basically extraverts) and the "classical" types (who Jung said were basically introverts). And Jung basically concurred with Ostwald's notion that one of the core differences between "romantic" and "classical" men (i.e., extraverts and introverts) was the difference in the subject's "speed of reaction" — which Jung explained resulted from the introvert's characteristic need to mull things over more thoroughly than extraverts, and the introvert's characteristically greater desire to have their expressions be more along the lines of a
final product than the extravert's off-the-cuff thinking-out-loud.
I don't believe either Jung or Myers viewed that particular aspect of personality as more characteristic of Ni-doms than other introverted types, and I suspect you may be misattributing your own sense of awkward timing in conversations to a function-based notion you have that your characteristic mode of thinking involves your
unconscious to a substantially greater degree than every type other than INTJs and INFJs.
I think re-watching this video with a clearer frame of mind rather than trying to take a point out of it makes it all the more pleasurable to watch.
