^ @Norexan K. So how do you figure?
Cause no one really knows how you came to those conclusions, without some form of explicit reasoning and explanation.
And the people that have different conclusions have no reason to change them, while those that already hold such conclusions are just getting a nice confirmation bias.

But I don't know whatever. Every now and then I try to get into a discussion on stuff like this in many places and I just wish sometimes people would seek to agree on things more. My own problem, I know, but still. It's like wth, why bother, for everyone involved.