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    Sadly, I've seen this a lot and I agree with you.

    They are not stupid, just have common sense which a lot of ppl lack.
    I've seen lots of compliants that ISFP cut ppl off, but these ppl forgets there isn't a contract that states these ISFP have to stay with them... Plus, IxFP that ik don't give up on real rrelationships, and will put up with stuff if you prove they're meaningful to you.

    Literally, if you can't respect and comprise yourself to get along with someone else, just like meet them in the middle, why in the world would anyone wanna be with you? Its a two way street. IxFP will notice when you're not gonna budge or invest on your side, so most likely will not stay in it.

    I love the ppl ik that are IxFP the most patient/ responsible
    / understanding/ interactive/ normal/ calm/ problem solvers, even can handle complexity in some aspects. You can see why I get addicted to them. :p
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    ISFPs are great athletes

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    hitler was terrible but stalin and churchill were just as bad
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    I've read a few times that ISFPs are one of the most misunderstood types, which kind of makes sense to me as ISFP thoughts and emotions are often kept to themselves or expressed only through action. Other types don't really work that way and can only make assumptions based on what they see without understanding what's going on underneath. I believe the misunderstanding, along with people possibly mistyping those they interact with, is why ISFPs get the weird descriptions and unflattering stereotypes that they do. Speak up, ISFPs! I know it's hard with that inferior Te being the sole source of communication (I struggle with that too!), but people aren't going to know better otherwise. Others have said this before (I don't recall if it was on this forum or on another - I lurk around quite a bit), but maybe get some ISFPs together and come up with a description of what it really means to be your type. Let everyone know how very awesome you really are! And know that not everyone is against you - you have many, many kind allies throughout the MBTI kingdom ^-^

    Btw, @DidYouSaySomething , just curious. What does Hitler, Stalin and Churchill have to do with ISFP? o.O

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    I think the thing about type descriptions is that that's all they are -- they are descriptions of Archetypes -- of one of 16 generalities, if you will. Since you only have 16 generalities, the descriptions are just going to be highlighting what tends to stand out about that particular archetype in comparison to the other 16.

    I never had a huge issue with the ISFP descriptions tbh - much of what was featured/highlighted about them were things I could relate to and that probably do tie into some of my key strengths/traits. However I think descriptions become an issue when one realizes everything they *don't* mention that still may be a trait one has. 'Good at intellectual pursuits and analytical thinking' may not be featured or mentioned in the ISFP description simply because it's not the key feature of the ISFP archetype -- however it doesn't mean the ISFP is incapable of it or lacking in that department. And there are all kinds of other things in the description that aren't mentioned that an ISFP can still embody.

    The other issue with descriptions is that everyone else then takes that description and runs with it -- so then you have the issue online of all the other types puffing up their feathers that they're the ones who are intellectually superior, or are the only natural leaders, or are the only ones who are truly empathic, or are the only ones who could possibly have a high i.q., or any number of stupid things. So imo it's reading all of the nonsense from everyone else and the fact that many people end up utilizing mbti in ways that enforce silly stereotypes that weren't even implicit in most of the descriptions in the first place.
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    Most often, I find profiles to be attempts to sell the system or something to people. This is why I prefer cognitive functions since they're silent on judgments and conclusions, allowing the individual consuming the information to conclude on their own.
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    Great points. The thing that makes me wonder, though, is that these descriptions or archetypes are written through the lens of the author’s own personality type, which, certainly, might contain some bias towards different types. I’d be interested in seeing each type write an honest description of their own personality, therefore extinguishing unwarranted stereotypes.

    Additionally, while functions are great, I’ve heard plenty of judgments being made based on their use - selfish Fi, fakey Fe, hedonistic Se, Te jerks...escaping stereotypes seems difficult to do when you’re dealing with people and their egos.

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    ISFPs are much better than negative stereotypes make them sound. That goes for all groups. I think people just like to portray dominant Fi as this whiny, emo function for whatever reason.

    Just keep bring you. That's all you can do.

    Every type have has negative stereotypes.
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    There's a lot more hate for SJs in the typology community than any other type. The reason for that is because SJs are everywhere IRL and nobody who shitposts on the internet wants to be called a normie. Its true, ISFPs are terrible at leadership, and INFPs are notorious soyboy wrist slashers, but every type has some shit side effects.

    Generally speaking, the type I get along with the easiest IRL are ISFPs because they tend to be very mellow and my incessant INTJ shit talking is amusing to them so I don't have to sensor myself like I'm forced to in the presence of FJs for example. A lot of them are into artsy shit, which is cool. They also tend to be full of esoteric yet useful information like for example which brand of whipits fucks you up the quickest. ISFPs and INFPs do tend to be insecure and needy though, which I find fucking annoying, but that's probably because they get a lot of shit from people for being useless in the work environment. Not all of them though of course. I once worked with an ISFP audio engineer who really knew his shit but he still had to be prodded to do his job from time to time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borns View Post
    I love the ppl ik that are IxFP the most patient/ responsible
    / understanding/ interactive/ normal/ calm/ problem solvers, even can handle complexity in some aspects. You can see why I get addicted to them. :p
    An ISTP that likes INFPs? Next thing I know an ENTJ and ESFJ are going to be involved in a mutually pleasant conversation.

    ISFPs are portrayed as dull, neither here nor there, while INFPs are INFJs with flaws. Show any semblance of intelligence as an IXFP and suddenly you're no longer an IXFP. Other types get the raw end of the stick due to INXJ favoritism though, specifically XSTJs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notmyapples View Post
    An ISTP that likes INFPs? Next thing I know an ENTJ and ESFJ are going to be involved in a mutually pleasant conversation. ISFPs are portrayed as dull, neither here nor there, while INFPs are INFJs with flaws. Show any semblance of intelligence as an IXFP and suddenly you're no longer an IXFP. Other types get the raw end of the stick due to INXJ favoritism though, specifically XSTJs.
    Well, my ISTP Dad has a soft spot for NFPs. That's probably a result of multiple decades of having an ENFP daughter who has a tendency to befriend and bring home INFPs with the occasional ISFP thrown in there. He actually has always seemed to like my FP friends.

    The way people interact can be odd and unpredictable.

    I do think SJs get the worst stereotyping though. None of it is pleasant, but I find that people on the internet fa be ruthless against SJs. For instance, xSFJs are portrayed as nosy, gossipy mother hens for example. And even if there is some degree of truth for some people, you'll meet others who don't coincide with that.

    Also, people tend to bash SJs for being too conservative. One of my friends though is an ISTJ and definitely a liberal. Well, I suppose it's natural for him being transgender. He's not going to go along with an ideology that denies his identity and, to be frank, treats transgender people as if they are less than others.

    Stereotypes simplify people. Even when they are about something neither positive or negative. Therefore, they are not good.
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