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[ESFP] The ESFP haters thread

d@v3

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"Oooh something bright, shiny, and new to distract me...." :D <--- Although I suppose that could be an ENFP too?:huh:
 

OrangeAppled

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That's not proper construtive criticism. It's just a bunch of vague assorted stereotypical traits, based on superficial observation of unhealthy SFP stereotypes. The "critic" is just jealous of our supreme extroverted awesomeness :D.

Trying to critize a type which you share a function with is a two edged sword, your bound to find parallel problems in yer own type deary!.

"Illogical and blind to own faults", ROFLMAO :D

Sorry deary, "blind to own faults" is not an INFP problem. Quite the contrary - we nitpick ourselves to death. Stop trying to deflect the criticism. Something else I notice ESFPs do: they won't accept any blame and will push it on the people trying to hold them accountable :tongue:

My criticism is based on the observations of many, many ESFPs that are swarming the earth. I wonder how many INFPs you've even encountered in real life, much less spoken to.
 

Edgar

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I tried hating ESFPs, but I just can't.

If it wasn't for the ESFPs, porn would be hard to come by and there would be no "Jackass the Movie".

What kind of a dull, horrible world would that be?
 

King sns

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That's not proper construtive criticism. It's just a bunch of vague assorted stereotypical traits, based on superficial observation of unhealthy SFP stereotypes. The "critic" is just jealous of our supreme extroverted awesomeness :D.


Trying to critize a type which you share a function with is a two edged sword, your bound to find parallel problems in yer own type deary!.

"Illogical and blind to own faults", ROFLMAO :D

To quote jebus the almighty
""Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"

Criticism of the tribe will not be cordoned, even in a unserious tone. This inquisition is self-righteous!! :D.


At least no one can say we're too humble or meek.
 

ColonelGadaafi

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Sorry deary, "blind to own faults" is not an INFP problem. Quite the contrary - we nitpick ourselves to death
So according to you, no INFP's have self-perception problems? :huh:. And supposedly this trait is only inherit in ESFP? LOL. Most people are unaware of their own flaws be they ESFP or not(including INFP's, even if their FI supposedly gives them extremely good self-perception). This is why the term unhealthy was used in the MBTI in the first place.

Stop trying to deflect the criticism.
It's not a matter of taking in criticism, it is a matter of evaulating the validity of your supposed criticism. So far you've only brought childishly gross generalizations and superficial stereotypes to the table. Your devaulating the credibility of your own criticism by default.

Something else I notice ESFPs do: they won't accept any blame and will push it on the people trying to hold them accountable :tongue: .

And then i guess all INFP's are a bunch of hippies, spending their time smoking weed, singing kumbaya, teaching the world about the tenents of peace? :doh:.


My criticism is based on the observations of many, many ESFPs that are swarming the earth.
Convinent en masse argument. I'd say your perception is skewered if all esfp's you encountered possessed those flaws.

I wonder how many INFPs you've even encountered in real life, much less spoken to.
I know some INFP's. two that i know to a personal degree, one that is a close friend of mine, and 3 others from school, enough to give me a rough sketch of how certain types within the INFP profile function, but not enough to make a giant absolute of judgement of the hole profile.
 

invaderzim

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:shock:Wow, you are taking this too personally. Its called ESFP haters thread for a reason.
But while we on the topic, I'll add self-righteous to the list.
 

ColonelGadaafi

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:shock:Wow, you are taking this too personally. Its called ESFP haters thread for a reason.
I am too detached to take shit personally. I just give off that impression due to the arguementive tone. What offends me is the lack of objectivity. Not to speak of taking the shit out generalizing in a thread meant to be harmless.
 

Azseroffs

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honestly how could you hate ESFP?
Even I, a reserved INT, love ESFP!
they might as well change the lettering to F-U-N
 

simulatedworld

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honestly how could you hate ESFP?
Even I, a reserved INT, love ESFP!
they might as well change the lettering to F-U-N

Ask the SJs, those dirty P-haters. =P
 

King sns

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Yea, why take things so personally?

This is a list of observed ESFP faults as observed by others.
It is not a personal attack against you, or me, or anybody else.
I read most of them, and some apply to me, but most don't. Nobody on this website knows me, and nobody said that I personally have these faults. But the thread about general ESFP faults is just that. One that is going to create a list of general ESFP faults. Tendencies that ESFP's may have.
Not your own personal faults.
Besides, the answers depend on perception, not fact. This is an opinion thread. There is no sense in arguing someone's perspective or opinion, since the argument will either go nowhere, or even make the other opinion stronger.

(Can I have an NT license now?)
 

Azseroffs

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Yea, why take things so personally?

This is a list of observed ESFP faults as observed by others.
It is not a personal attack against you, or me, or anybody else.
I read most of them, and some apply to me, but most don't. Nobody on this website knows me, and nobody said that I personally have these faults. But the thread about general ESFP faults is just that. One that is going to create a list of general ESFP faults. Tendencies that ESFP's may have.
Not your own personal faults.
Besides, the answers depend on perception, not fact. This is an opinion thread. There is no sense in arguing someone's perspective or opinion, since the argument will either go nowhere, or even make the other opinion stronger.

(Can I have an NT license now?)

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. I said no one could hate ESFPs, not that they were smart.:D

im jk it's a good point

but srsly
ESFP = :huh:
I had to contribute to thread somehow
 

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I only know two ESFP well enough to form an opinion. One I love and one I can't stand.

The one I can't stand has deeper problems than type.

Like she lies constantly, never budgets her money, always has the extended cable packages, buys all the latest gadgets, gets professional fake nails and hairdos, goes out drinking all weekend, refuses to drive a car older than four years--her favorite phrase when car has trouble? "It died" and then she has to buy new car rather than get old car fixed, she says "I just can't trust that car now!" (all expensive habits that her income can't support) and into her fifties is living off her parent's and other family member's generosity. Threatened suicide once when refused money.

Spent her late teens and early 20s dating men who were involved in criminal activites and lied to family members about this and placed her loved ones into dangerous situations once these men turned on her.

She spent the remaninder of her youth dating a married man while being good friends with his wife. Then when he finally ended it once she was no longer young and fun, she married a man much like herself and together they live the same as she always has, getting money now from both sides of their family.

She has significant health problems, pain and insomina that prevent her from even keeping her house adequately clean but she refuses to care for herself, won't pace her energy, won't stop smoking and drinking vodika daily, won't lose weight. Just runs herself until she drops. Her sisters worry constantly that she's going to drive herself to an early death. (And should someone else be sick or have fatigue problems, she's the first to call them fakers and criticize them for needing to rest. :rolleyes:)

She spent her 40s trying to get pregnant a second time (wasn't able to though) and when asked "Do you really think you'll be able to adequately care for the needs of helpless baby when right now you barely make it to your desk job each day and come home and crash as soon as you walk in the door and you already cannot pay your own bills?"

She replies "Absolutely!"

Says she will never "forgive" her daughter-in-law for marrying her "baby" and taking him away from her. Makes this person's life hell whenever she can.

I am biased in this situation, this person struck hard at me during a very vulnerable time because she was mad that my husband refused her money. I door slammed her. (I am not the DIL though, that's someone else she pissed off in a major way and got ISFJ doorslammed by!)
 

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I only know two ESFP well enough to form an opinion. One I love and one I can't stand.

The one I can't stand has deeper problems than type.

Like she lies constantly, never budgets her money, like always has the extended cable packages, buys all the latest gadgets, gets professional fake nails and hairdos, goes out drinking all weekend, refuses to drive a car older than four years--her favorite phrase when car has trouble? "It died" and then she has to buy new car rather than get old car fixed, she says "I just can't trust that car now!" (all expensive habits that her income can't support) and into her fifties is living off her parent's and other family member's generosity. Threatened suicide once when refused money.

Spent her late teens and early 20s dating men who were involved in criminal activites and lied to family members about this and placed her loved ones into dangerous situations once these men turned on her.

She spent the remaninder of her youth dating a married man while being good friends with his wife. Then when he finally ended it once she was no longer young and fun, she married a man much like herself and together they live the same as she always has, getting money now from both sides of their family.

She has significant health problems, pain and insomina that prevent her from even keeping her house adequately clean but she refuses to care for herself, won't pace her energy, won't stop smoking and drinking vodika daily, won't lose weight. Just runs herself until she drops. Her sisters worry constantly that she's going to drive herself to an early death. (And should someone else be sick or have fatigue problems, she's the first to call them fakers and criticize them for needing to rest. :rolleyes:)

She spent her 40s trying to get pregnant a second time (wasn't able to though) and when asked "Do you really think you'll be able to adequately care for the needs of helpless baby when right now you barely make it to your desk job each day and come home and crash as soon as you walk in the door and you already cannot pay your own bills?"

She replies "Absolutely!"

Says she will never "forgive" her daughter-in-law for marrying her "baby" and taking him away from her. Makes this person's life hell whenever she can.

So...how about the nice one?


Yea, why take things so personally?

This is a list of observed ESFP faults as observed by others.
It is not a personal attack against you, or me, or anybody else.
I read most of them, and some apply to me, but most don't. Nobody on this website knows me, and nobody said that I personally have these faults. But the thread about general ESFP faults is just that. One that is going to create a list of general ESFP faults. Tendencies that ESFP's may have.
Not your own personal faults.
Besides, the answers depend on perception, not fact. This is an opinion thread. There is no sense in arguing someone's perspective or opinion, since the argument will either go nowhere, or even make the other opinion stronger.

(Can I have an NT license now?)

You may! *applauds*
 

ColonelGadaafi

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Yea, why take things so personally?

This is a list of observed ESFP faults as observed by others.
It is not a personal attack against you, or me, or anybody else.
I read most of them, and some apply to me, but most don't. Nobody on this website knows me, and nobody said that I personally have these faults. But the thread about general ESFP faults is just that. One that is going to create a list of general ESFP faults. Tendencies that ESFP's may have.
Not your own personal faults.
Besides, the answers depend on perception, not fact. This is an opinion thread. There is no sense in arguing someone's perspective or opinion, since the argument will either go nowhere, or even make the other opinion stronger.

(Can I have an NT license now?)


Again thats not the point for the defensive stance. Ah nvm i went way over my head with objective standards that i expect.

These thread's have no other constructive use then clarifying and reaching certain accord's.
 

King sns

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I only know two ESFP well enough to form an opinion. One I love and one I can't stand.

The one I can't stand has deeper problems than type.

Like she lies constantly, never budgets her money, always has the extended cable packages, buys all the latest gadgets, gets professional fake nails and hairdos, goes out drinking all weekend, refuses to drive a car older than four years--her favorite phrase when car has trouble? "It died" and then she has to buy new car rather than get old car fixed, she says "I just can't trust that car now!" (all expensive habits that her income can't support) and into her fifties is living off her parent's and other family member's generosity. Threatened suicide once when refused money.

Spent her late teens and early 20s dating men who were involved in criminal activites and lied to family members about this and placed her loved ones into dangerous situations once these men turned on her.

She spent the remaninder of her youth dating a married man while being good friends with his wife. Then when he finally ended it once she was no longer young and fun, she married a man much like herself and together they live the same as she always has, getting money now from both sides of their family.

She has significant health problems, pain and insomina that prevent her from even keeping her house adequately clean but she refuses to care for herself, won't pace her energy, won't stop smoking and drinking vodika daily, won't lose weight. Just runs herself until she drops. Her sisters worry constantly that she's going to drive herself to an early death. (And should someone else be sick or have fatigue problems, she's the first to call them fakers and criticize them for needing to rest. :rolleyes:)

She spent her 40s trying to get pregnant a second time (wasn't able to though) and when asked "Do you really think you'll be able to adequately care for the needs of helpless baby when right now you barely make it to your desk job each day and come home and crash as soon as you walk in the door and you already cannot pay your own bills?"

She replies "Absolutely!"

Says she will never "forgive" her daughter-in-law for marrying her "baby" and taking him away from her. Makes this person's life hell whenever she can.

I am biased in this situation, this person struck hard at me during a very vulnerable time because she was mad that my husband refused her money. I door slammed her. (I am not the DIL though, that's someone else she pissed off in a major way and got ISFJ doorslammed by!)

She sounds a little manic along with other things!
Ugh! Also sounds like one ESFP I know too though. (Only one, thankfully.)
Interesting.
 

callmemigs

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Shallow. Follow the herd. Go with what is popular in music/fashion. Over-emphasize the way things looks, but are lacking individual taste. Don't like to read (possibly don't even know how to). Seem to revel in stupidity (these are the people who think it's cute to play dumb or do stupid things). Cannot grasp concepts that are infantile to other types. Not usually very intelligent, but can be successful in life based solely on social skills (seriously annoying to someone like me). Attention whores. Drama queens. Self-absorbed with a seemingly phony, surface interest in others.

That should do it. :devil:


I will note that I know a lot of ESFPs (cuz they are EVERYWHERE and so freakin' LOUD) and I do like some. Some. :tongue:

Stereotypes still do prevail in some people's mindset huh?

MBTI shouldn't be used as a criteria to judge other people, it should be used to understand other people.
 
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