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[SJ] Are many SJ's ever on the left?

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I was just thinking that I don't really know any or have come across many that are. I think the furthest is libertarian?
 

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Yes.

http://www.typologycentral.com/foru...si-conservative-semantics-misconceptions.html

It's a stereotype that all SJs are conservative. To the point where it actually leads to mistypings. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a subculture of self-identified INFPs who are really ISFJs.

I at times have thought there is a lot of mistypings out there, but I wonder if that's just my own projections.

Apparently Emma Watson and Natalie Portman are SJ? they strike me as people you could consider on the "left" leaning in a sense.
 

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I at times have thought there is a lot of mistypings out there, but I wonder if that's just my own projections.

Apparently Emma Watson and Natalie Portman are SJ? they strike me as people you could consider on the "left" leaning in a sense.

It may be a generational thing as well. Many SJs reflect the ideals of the time period they grew up in. This is why Si is wrongfully labelled conservative--and many older SJs are conservative (not all, of course). But it's very different for the younger SJs of today. I have a large pool of SJ friends who are my age, all of which are left leaning. However, most of the older SJs I know lean towards the right.
 

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Truth be told, growing up I was scared of anyone who I thought might be an SJ, because all the one's I grew up and was raised were such staunch conservatives that they frightened the beejevus out of me.


Of course, I have realized that through my travels and experience that many people of all types are like this. I have met other INFP's who are the same way, and I find too many people define themselves too much by tradition and the past, IMHO. It's really annoying. I just wish I could find an environment where people who are open-minded, free and like to experiment. But maybe that is just some far off ideal, I do not know.

Oh wait, I guess that seems sort of insulting to people because being future or forward looking isn't all that naturally coming to people. Well you know, it could be in a way, be more understood and accepted then I don't think it would really matter all that much.
 

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Most people on this forum seem to be liberal, including SJs.

(Obviously there are those that starkly contrast, but that is besides the point.)
 

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Most people on this forum seem to be liberal, including SJs.

(Obviously there are those that starkly contrast, but that is besides the point.)

Really? how would you define liberal?


But yeah, it seems oddly relaxed and quite peaceful here. It's quite surprising to me often as I am not all that used to it. I don't know if I would wholly define myself by any of those terms, would I know that many would still categorize me as being on the "left"

But like, just speaking for myself I offend EVERYONE with my opinions just about, lol. See, one of my favorite political speakers is Noam Chomsky and he is often considered a "liberal" but even a lot of liberals are offended by him

:unsure:
 

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It may be a generational thing as well. Many SJs reflect the ideals of the time period they grew up in. This is why Si is wrongfully labelled conservative--and many older SJs are conservative (not all, of course). But it's very different for the younger SJs of today. I have a large pool of SJ friends who are my age, all of which are left leaning. However, most of the older SJs I know lean towards the right.

It might also be that the ideas they believed in stayed the same, but what was considered left changed over time. That is....to paraphrase Grandpa Simpson, "I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what's new seems weird and scary."
 

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Well, I would believe that ESFJ would be the most conservative of the SJs, due to being Extroverted (blends in with the majority) and Feeling (value-based decision making). On the contrary, ISTJ would be the least conservative SJ for being Introverted (less being concerned with interconnecting with people) and Thinking (pragmatic decision making).

SJs are more community and society oriented than the other types, thus they are often on the opposite side of individualism. Currently the right-wing is very concerned of self-centered well-being, opposed to the communial well being. This makes SJ look more left-wing.

On the other hand, Fordism looks very SJ. It also goes along with conservative politics. I think that's why some older SJs are more conservative.
 

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Can't speak for other SJs but I look for evidence in supporting or not supporting an ideology because I'm a rational person. There is very little good that leftist ideology has done and very great harm. The Nazis, the Commies, and Marxists are all leftists who've murdered, plundered, and destroyed countless lives. Conservatives (mostly islamofascists) have done similar evil around the world and throughout history.

The libertarian position is the most rational position because it has produced the greatest nation that has ever existed - the USA. The evidence is overwhelming.
 

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I don't necessarily feel the need to label my political opinions with a title, but most of my concerns are aligned with liberalism, especially regarding social issues. However, for all intents and purposes, I consider myself politically independent. I think it is silly to commit yourself to a specific party and only vote for people within that party. I like to keep my options open, explore all of my representative options, and find whose views best align with mine individually rather than "because my party thinks so."

This may sound like common sense, but I've encountered a scary number of people (usually young, unfortunately) who blindly vote for whoever's in "their party" or whoever their parents are voting for, regardless of what party that is.
 

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Really? how would you define liberal?

Ah sorry, I'm using it to mean socially liberal, aka left-leaning (economically liberal = right...but it is not a phrase that is commonly used where I am, the US).

But yeah, it seems oddly relaxed and quite peaceful here. It's quite surprising to me often as I am not all that used to it. I don't know if I would wholly define myself by any of those terms, would I know that many would still categorize me as being on the "left"

So...are you interested in labeling your political ideologies because you do not know how to label them? (I'm not saying that's a bad thing, just asking.) Just using right and left to describe everything isn't necessarily precise enough to explain things on their own. Some people like the political compass, which has two axes for clarification, but it remains simple enough to get your point across. I am not entirely sure how left libertarianism works.

In speaking of libertarianism, there are many forms. Again, not sure what country you are in, but in the United States for example...we have a very small Libertarian Party. They are actually economically right, not left. I am not familiar with all forms of libertarianism, but I have heard people throw out terms like right-libertarian and left-libertarian.
 

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This may sound like common sense, but I've encountered a scary number of people (usually young, unfortunately) who blindly vote for whoever's in "their party" or whoever their parents are voting for, regardless of what party that is.

I actually can understand the viewpoint. Our main political parties here in the United States very clearly lay out the basic views that most party members will have. So you know that every Republican candidate will have similar viewpoints to each other for example. Yes, it's important to find out if they are a shitbag or have some really unusual views hidden in there, but even this is not necessarily easily discernible with scrutiny.

Bernie Sanders was an example of one of those outliers within their own party. However, he is still closest in viewpoints to the Democratic Party than the Republican Party, no matter how you slice it.

Really, one of our biggest problems here is that we have essentially a two party system.
 

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Most people on this forum seem to be liberal, including SJs.

(Obviously there are those that starkly contrast, but that is besides the point.)
:hi: :2ar15:

I actually can understand the viewpoint. Our main political parties here in the United States very clearly lay out the basic views that most party members will have. So you know that every Republican candidate will have similar viewpoints to each other for example.
Aside from Donald Trump, who changes his mind on most issues every 5 minutes or so. :laugh:
 

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I'm fairly fiscally liberal and VERY socially liberal.

Also... basically what [MENTION=23583]Yamato Nadeshiko[/MENTION] said on the first page of this thread. Type =/= predictor of political belief.
 

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I consider myself a center-left Democrat. Not sure how far to the left you're looking for, but there you go
 

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SJs are "guardians" of how they were raised. SJs with hippy parents tend to be hippies, too. SJs with conservative parents tend to also be conservative. More or less. The main thing is "how they grew up and how they were taught".

Si types tend to "think inside the box" and have difficulties thinking "outside of the box", so most of their understanding depends on what was put in that box to begin with. As Si types mature, Ne starts coming into play more and more, and they get comfortable with thinking outside the box, but tend to rely on that core Si box. Changing what's inside that Si box is very difficult for them to do (but it IS doable, it's just very difficult and painful to process).

In contrast, Ni types tend to "switch out boxes", where they have a huge library of possible "boxes" or "templates", and overlay those templates on what they see, and then deduce which template is correct based on how well it matches up. (The tough thing for Ni types to give up is a bunch of "boxes that work", but it's difficult to even tell that that is what the problem is and communicate it to them.) As such, Ni types will tend to have political views that are out of sync with both right and left - and not necessarily in a good way (think conspiracy theories). In political threads, I see Ni types tend to be more extremist and ideologically pure, but with only very specific colors on the left/right spectrum. I see pure socialists, pure communists, pure capitalists, pure libertarians, all arguing condescendingly to each other on forums like INTJf. ;)

Se types are more like, "Dude, why are you worrying about boxes, man?! This is real life. You can't put life in boxes!"
 
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