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[ISTJ] ISTJs & Feelings

burkeus

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what I really really want to know is when there is a conflict of interest between the heart (for lack of a better word) and the brain... why does the brain ALWAYS win?

With regards to human interaction I will let thinking override feeling purely to avoid being vulnarable or possibly making a fool of myself. Potentially expressed emotions(that heaven forbid! could possibly bring softness to the situation) gets suppressed by very strong thinking/rationalization of why it would be stupid to express these emotions.
 

bbites

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I usually plan things. On the rare occassion I let my feelings override my plan I experience guilt afterward. And then I feel I have to go back to the beginning of the plan.

I apologize if this isn't the sort of response you were looking for.
 

2XtremeENFP

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No, i understand that makes sense...
so is it safe to say that ISTJ's tend to feel guilty so they try not to feel that way?
 

Anja

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Guilty feelings are a major hook for my ISTJ.
 

Cimarron

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I was just about to say that I feel guilt very strongly. Maybe it's Fi, inward-pointing emotion?
 

Cimarron

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It would be nice if someone could explain this.
Explain what? Keep in mind that I may just be talking "out of my rear".
 

Bella

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Explain what? Keep in mind that I may just be talking "out of my rear".

No, you're 'rear's' doing just fine....

I was talking about ISTJ's guilt issues. It seems like a few of us agree on this.
 

mlittrell

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i truthfully wish there were more sensors on mbtic, im enjoying this much more then half that crap on the intuitive boards lol.
 

Bella

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i truthfully wish there were more sensors on mbtic, im enjoying this much more then half that crap on the intuitive boards lol.

Ah, really? That's nice to hear. Something other than N snobbery for a change.
(yes, I know, not every N's a snob)
 

Virtual ghost

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Ah, really? That's nice to hear. Something other than N snobbery for a change.
(yes, I know, not every N's a snob)

If you want to know I also think that forum needs more sensors to become what it should be.
 

swordpath

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Sensing is where it's at.

*digs nose into the carpet and continues sniffing about the room*
 

Giggly

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Ah, really? That's nice to hear. Something other than N snobbery for a change.
(yes, I know, not every N's a snob)

:yes:

Also, ISTJ's seem to have very strong feelings to my perception. They're just not big on expressing them at every chance they can like other types do.
 

Clownmaster

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My brother is an ISTJ. We joke about how between the 2 of us we have all our bases covered, seeing as we cover all 8 possible MBTI letters.

To me, it seems he doesn't understand his feelings and that they get in the way of his logic on the rare occasion that his soul decides to jump into his decision making process. I'm sure if he could live in a world without feelings, he'd be a lot more comfortable there. The flipside to this is that he has very definite emotions that he calls upon whenever he's in a very comfortable situation like talking with his closest friends or to me (I kind-of acted as a pseudotherapist for him during our younger years I guess, maybe just because I was the only person close enough to him that was willing to listen), so I can see his emotional gears turn underneath all the brainwork. Comprehending him still confuses me to a degree, though.

I think he knows that feelings can sometimes take priority and have a heavier influence on how you should act as long as its a feeling-related event taking place (as in relationships, he's going to delve into his heart and try to see how he really feels and explain it to himself with logic internally to help him better enforce his epiphanies when the time comes for emotional debate)

I hope most of that made sense.
 

hermeticdancer

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Very interesting! My husband is ISTJ. After 16 years of marriage, only now am I beginning to understand him.

He definitely thinks through any decision he makes (and re-thinks, and scrutinizes...)

It takes him several months to decide on a car. He will research magazines, internet, in person, etc. He will ultimately know more about a vehicle than the salesperson does. Boy, does he beat himself up if every step isn't planned and executed very precisely.

Ive seen this in my ISTJ bf too.
He would rather maximize, or inspect everything before making a decision.
He talks a lot about what he may, or may not buy, and things.
Like motor cycles, and guns, and just things he wants. He's been wanting to go on a trip for years but hasn't done so yet because he's a perfectionist.

I'm wondering if he has Obsessive Compulsive personality disorder... lol

He is certainly preoccupied with details of all the things in this damn world.
 

PinkIceTD

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I'm wondering if he has Obsessive Compulsive personality disorder... lol

No seriously though, does this thing about thinking and scrutinizing and re-checking ever become a hinderance to the ISTJ or is just to other people that it becomes a problem.

Like with the person that said their husband has been going on a trip for years and hasn't gone yet...I would think you decide it you want to go, plan for it, then go. All this detailing just gets in the way.
 

Cimarron

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No seriously though, does this thing about thinking and scrutinizing and re-checking ever become a hinderance to the ISTJ or is just to other people that it becomes a problem?

Like with the person that said their husband has been going on a trip for years and hasn't gone yet...I would think you decide it you want to go, plan for it, then go. All this detailing just gets in the way.
Yes, it can be a hindrance at times, it really can. :( Don't know how to explain it, but it follows the train of thought that "as long as I can sort this all out, and figure out every detail, I can fix everything in the end". I even have little nervous habits (comparable to biting fingernails) that seemed to be based on this principle, somehow.
 

hermeticdancer

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Yes, it can be a hindrance at times, it really can. :( Don't know how to explain it, but it follows the train of thought that "as long as I can sort this all out, and figure out every detail, I can fix everything in the end". I even have little nervous habits (comparable to biting fingernails) that seemed to be based on this principle, somehow.

Total OCD!
I can relate to this though. I tend to obsess about relationships. Perhaps the ISTJs obsess about something else. I think we all be better people on Zoloft:violin::violin:!

Kind of a sweeping generalization but who knows.
 

hermeticdancer

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I can't consider the feelings of someone else when I make a decision. I don't consider myself a cold-hearted so-and-so (although others do); it's simply a matter of expediency. Since I have no sense of how another human being internalizes anything (each will react according to his or her own sense of values and experiences) attempting to factor that into a decision seems kind of counter-productive.

With regard to my own feelings, I express them; but I also understand why I feel happy, sad, etc. As an example, one of the things that amuses me about people is when they drive. People who speed up to pass me and then slam on the brakes to stop at the light that I know is going to turn red always gets a wry smile from me. The smile is not based on what theydid (or didn't do); it's the feeling of wondering if they learned something from the experience and realizing they probably didn't. They are then classified as potential hazards and the feeling passes.
You sound pretty detached and cynical.
lol
 
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