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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Yes to the above post or to the OP?

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    I personally think it's a stereotype. Actually, I find Si particularly interesting, as Si users prefer to utilize direct experience as their primary source of knowledge and judgment. So you could see how that could play out into giving the impression of SJs who share many experiences being fairly similar, but when you find two SJs with very different experiences, they may be more different than two Ns in the same scenario, for example.

    I do think, though, that SJs tend to be more practically-minded, but that does not equate to boring or not unique in my mind, either. I would say it is true that you are probably less likely to find the giant model rocket in the garage of the SJ than the NJ, but that doesn't mean that SJs aren't quirky in different ways. I feel like SJs tend to be more picky than others about specific details, for example.

    Also, I do often hear that "SJs are most common" in the population, and maybe that is true, but I don't think it's by nearly as wide a margin as I have heard suggested. People seem to repeat that Ns are a minority, but frankly, I don't think it's very true; seems like "special snowflake" syndrome to me.

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    We're more normal, you fucking freaks.

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    I conform with those rules, traditions, and expectations that I agree with. It really is a mixed bag when it comes to conformity.

    For example, I don't conform to popular tastes in music and culture:

    I don't watch American Idol, ever. I don't watch Jersey Shore, Jerry Springer, Oprah, the View. Lady Gaga is ok in small doses; don't care much for Bieber, Swift, Miley, Hip Hop, and R&B. I don't do pot lucks; I don't celebrate birthdays or holidays. I don't do drugs of any sort; I don't drink alcohol (It tastes bitter; don't really get the appeal of getting high). I can't stand crowds or loud music. I don't attend church; I'm not a member of any organization. I don't have a smart phone or a tablet and I don't plan on getting one. I don't have a Facebook account either.

    Here are some things that I do conform with because I agree with them:

    I don't go more than 5 miles over the speed limit (because I don't want to get ticketed). I tip at restaurants (15% unless the service is really bad). I want the whole traditional family with the picket fences and the 2 kids deal. I like the police. I pay my taxes early. I exercise regularly and eat well. I sleep at around 11:00 pm everyday and I get up at around 6:00 am.

    I would agree with the OP that I am more "normal" than other types using my definition of "normal".
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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    Also, I do often hear that "SJs are most common" in the population, and maybe that is true, but I don't think it's by nearly as wide a margin as I have heard suggested. People seem to repeat that Ns are a minority, but frankly, I don't think it's very true; seems like "special snowflake" syndrome to me.
    Yeah, I agree. I don't think some types are as 'rare' as people seem to believe them to be. I think people tend to show their 'normal' side in public, leading to other people mistyping them as 'S' -- not that people are very good at typing themselves or other people anyways.
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    If people have to debate their type, and take binary tests to figure out which mass of humans they're categorized with....then it's hard to argue that anyone is significantly less normal than anyone else. A non-SJ is unique just like everyone else...SJs included.
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    If by "unique" you strictly mean fewer in number, then I would say no...we're not as unique as NFs or NTs

    Otherwise, I don't see why an SJ is any more or less unique than anyone else. There are things I'm sure I could do better than other people and vice versa

    I doubt I fit the stereotype of the typical SJ who lives in the deep South...

    -I'm an atheist
    -I'm a center-right Democrat
    -I'm pro-choice and pro-gay marriage
    -I'm for the legalization of pot but I'm not yet sold on legalizing other illicit drugs

    The image of the SJ here in the south is the conservative Christian Republican who has socially conservative values. In some areas I might fit that bill but in most I really don't. In my own family I seem to possess this strange dichotnomy: I am both "the good son" in that I perceived as being 'straight laced and responsible', a perception that I don't feel is wholly accurate but I'm also the odd one out as I am the only Democrat in my household AND the only atheist. I play both down significantly at family gatherings as to not cause any arguments or such but I do get the occasional glance during a family prayer or something while I 'play along' and go with the group.

    I think you need to tweak your definition of unique
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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    Some people considered themselves to be non-conformists, but then they just end up conforming to something else. That's still adherence to standards, it's merely different standards. I do not believe this should be considered to be more "individidualistic" because it's really not. For instance, someone might get involved in the punk scene, and then start bitching about how too many people in the scene aren't "punk" enough. I can never wrap my head around why some people consider that "better" than the other thing (unless it's perhaps merely what they would do anyway).
    Omg I've bitched about this SO MANY TIMES.

    Ok, I've been persuaded that the answer lies somewhere in the middle, and good points have been made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Omg I've bitched about this SO MANY TIMES.

    Watch every south park episode that features the Goth kids.

    As for the rest of the thread, I think you are right in the conclusion that it is somewhere in the middle ground. Allegedly normality is where you find it but it tends to be more true for me that normality is beyond the view of conscious awareness.

    After all having met so many normal people and considering myself to be quite bland and normal, (well ok I think I am weird and slightly insane but I don't consider that a unique or interesting set of traits), I have realised that excessive normality is usually a very strange thing indeed.

    My mum used to say "what is normal?" as a form of pep talk when I was socially ostracised at school and called abnormal. But then at meals and social events, she expected me to conform to some set standard of conduct befitting of the environment we were in. Later I learned this was a contradiction and having found out that I had been raised in contradiction so much of my reality became cartoonish and hilarious, as well as the unconscious elements of myself becoming more clear.

    It can be fun to push someones idea of normality to the limit, watch them snap and then see just how 'normal' they really are.

    Still i'm a bit of a coward and social convention was pressed upon me so much, not necessarily just from my mum, that I have conformed to it somewhat, while still underneath eyeing it suspiciously.

    But to me laughter is as welcome at a funeral as tears. Deluding oneself into a concept of normality only serves to invite walls around each other, surely we know that as a species by now? But apparently not.

    What a normal thing for humanity to do.
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    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
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    It seems like the SJ definition is getting more and more like the Six one. Considering that apparently SJs can also be rebellious and whatnot.

    Besides thinking about it, wouldn't you say that SPs are the least unique of them all? After all it's honestly quite so hard to find someone who is so anal about the rules, and society. Most people don't give a fuck until they have an excuse to beat up minorities, whine or fuck up the man. After all Hank Hill is more unique than say Stan Smith (conservative SP) personality wise.
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