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[ENTP] ENTPs--TALK TO ME

Ene

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Sure. You keep mentioning pal, but I think Eilonwy's feedback was about lifelong romantoc partnership, which one is it?

I spent forever typing you a great reply and the system timed out on me and I lost it. Oh, crap.

I originally said that I wanted to have a life-long friendship and asked what were some things ENTPs valued in friends.

Let me explain a little. See, Mr. ENTP and I are both a part of a group of martial artists and the very nature of our group is that we are "spiritual" brothers [except I'm the only female] and the connections are supposed to be for life. I take that seriously and I take my commitment to friendships very seriously. In my world, this is far more important than romantic partners. I don't know how to describe our relationship...League of a Assassins?...just kidding, but you get the idea. I do "love" this guy, but not in the way that I want to sleep with him. It's deeper than that, if that even makes sense. Anyhow, some people within our circle were supposed to be his "brothers," comrades, etc. and they managed to hurt him. It came out in anger, but it was hurt. And that is why I ask what ENTPs value in friends. I genuinely want to know what it is that he values and I don't want to do something to mess with those values because I respect him and he's important to me.

So, that is at the root of this thread. I have an ENTP friend that I care for very much and I want to be able to convey to him that I respect him and value him and I don't want it to sound insincere or patronizing. I want to be that person he calls when he's sixty-five to tell me that he lost his dentures or whatever. Nah....he's kind of kinky. He'd probably call to tell me that he was selling Viagra on the black-market or something like that.
 

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I spent forever typing you a great reply and the system timed out on me and I lost it. Oh, crap.

I originally said that I wanted to have a life-long friendship and asked what were some things ENTPs valued in friends.

Let me explain a little. See, Mr. ENTP and I are both a part of a group of martial artists and the very nature of our group is that we are "spiritual" brothers [except I'm the only female] and the connections are supposed to be for life. I take that seriously and I take my commitment to friendships very seriously. In my world, this is far more important than romantic partners. I don't know how to describe our relationship...League of a Assassins?...just kidding, but you get the idea. I do "love" this guy, but not in the way that I want to sleep with him. It's deeper than that, if that even makes sense. Anyhow, some people within our circle were supposed to be his "brothers," comrades, etc. and they managed to hurt him. It came out in anger, but it was hurt. And that is why I ask what ENTPs value in friends. I genuinely want to know what it is that he values and I don't want to do something to mess with those values because I respect him and he's important to me.

So, that is at the root of this thread. I have an ENTP friend that I care for very much and I want to be able to convey to him that I respect him and value him and I don't want it to sound insincere or patronizing. I want to be that person he calls when he's sixty-five to tell me that he lost his dentures or whatever. Nah....he's kind of kinky. He'd probably call to tell me that he was selling Viagra on the black-market or something like that.

I can't say that I relate to the specifics of your league dynamics, but I understand your given con-text reasoning. Thoughts, first with a qualifier, for better delivery: I think it's fine and nice and everything spice re your concerns about your friend, they indicate empathy and nice personthy and all that about you.

Now, with that out of the way and without bruising ur ego too much...don't ask us, ask him. Be there. Not in a [typology] enneagram 8 control freak police interrogation way[/typology] but as a person, as that friend, that is, the embodiment of all these nice attitudes and values that you shared to have towards friends and such.

The biggest trigger for me, in all of this, is that of a duality I see in the difference between:
a) the idea behind the story - which you shared with us, but also before that, with yourself - about who and how you are, and, how you want to be, towards this person-friend, in order for how you want him to be towards you, up until when he's 65 and beyond, comes to be.
b) the being that way which will result in the same thing.

To me the trigger part lies with the control aspect of it. This might not be very evident to you at all, because of your belief in your own story. Not that having a belief means it's a bad story, but, it's a story we all have. And we believe in our story and then play our role in it, IRL. And that's the problem that can/will lead to inadvertently causing hurt, to others and ultimately ourselves.

So how do you do that thing you describe wanting to do that will give you those results you want to have? No idea. That is, of specific steps. But as per the above, it strikes me your biggest challenge will be to divorce yourself from expectation, which might be the hardest part, right AFTER being able to see it in the first place, and find the answers that you seek here, by BEING, as in show up, and in the moment, with your friend, to get to know what his story is, why it is, why it hurts, how, and how not to hurt, and achieve your results through this exercise with and towards him, and not asking the internet. I know the latter might be additionally challenging, specially in the context of this forum, and all the implications that has, towards the stock put on the yet another belief system of typology.

I wadge that 98% of the above isn't what you sought out for by starting this thread, but I hope my effort isn't entirely wasted, and that after stripping it off of my own story, the remnants can still be of positive use to you.
 

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[MENTION=6723]phobik[/MENTION]
I can't say that I relate to the specifics of your league dynamics, but I understand your given con-text reasoning. Thoughts, first with a qualifier, for better delivery: I think it's fine and nice and everything spice re your concerns about your friend, they indicate empathy and nice personthy and all that about you.
Thank you.

Now, with that out of the way and without bruising ur ego too much
...Don't worry about that. I'm pretty thick skinned.

don't ask us, ask him. Be there. Not in a [typology] enneagram 8 control freak police interrogation way[/typology] but as a person, as that friend, that is, the embodiment of all these nice attitudes and values that you shared to have towards friends and such.

I am not quite sure why I did post online. I'm not even certain of my own motivation now.

The biggest trigger for me, in all of this, is that of a duality I see in the difference between:
a) the idea behind the story - which you shared with us, but also before that, with yourself - about who and how you are, and, how you want to be, towards this person-friend, in order for how you want him to be towards you, up until when he's 65 and beyond, comes to be.
b) the being that way which will result in the same thing.

Yes, I think that is it. But I think that the answer lies in what you said about getting rid of expectations that I may not even have been aware that I had in the first place. So, that piece of advice alone makes this entire thread worthwhile to me and I think that maybe that's what I was looking for, some nugget that I was missing, that was "there" all along but that I just wasn't taking into account. Yes, I should be talking to him and not online and the key is letting go of expectations. So, that's what I will do.

I wadge that 98% of the above isn't what you sought out for by starting this thread, but I hope my effort isn't entirely wasted, and that after stripping it off of my own story, the remnants can still be of positive use to you.
Actually, it is very useful to me and it has helped me wade through some thought processes, so thank you.

[MENTION=27425]Listening[/MENTION]humor is vital to me, too. I really don't like to be around people who don't laugh with me.
 

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Sure. You keep mentioning pal, but I think Eilonwy's feedback was about lifelong romantoc partnership, which one is it?

To me, my feedback was about connection in any of its forms, not just the lifelong romantic form.

ETA: From my perspective, INFJs and ENTPs define what levels of connection look like differently--another topic to communicate about rather than make assumptions.
 

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[MENTION=6723]phobik[/MENTION] I am not quite sure why I did post online. I'm not even certain of my own motivation now.

I don't know your personal motivation, but I can speculate from a typological pov. J's prefer to plan. You were asking for guidelines in order to formulate a plan that, in your story, would give a high percentage of success in reaching your goal of lifelong friendship because you value that friendship. But that sort of planning ends up reducing the other person to just a piece of the plan and can end up feeling controlling to them, in spite of your good intent.*

Have you ever read "The Four Agreements"?

*ETA: Because we Js end up believing that the plan leads to success, any deviation tends to feel like failure, even though that might not be true. That feeling of failure is where the controlling aspect kicks in--trying to get the plan back on track.
 

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I have the day off tomorrow so I can visit Type C. Yay!

Okay, I'm getting to know an ENTP.

I really like this person.

I want a life-long friendship.

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Tell me what you look for in a friend. What do you value?

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Tell me how not to break my ENTP.

Keep the emotional honesty at a distance

And thank you for taking the time to respond to me.

No, thank you.
 

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To me, my feedback was about connection in any of its forms, not just the lifelong romantic form.

ETA: From my perspective, INFJs and ENTPs define what levels of connection look like differently--another topic to communicate about rather than make assumptions.


I do think it's relevant/important to assess the type of relationship, perhaps more to oneself more, in order to have a clear awareness of the implications it will necessarily have on one's expectations and behavior towards the other person.

I think Ni vs Ne plays a role, despite the shared judging, and that extends beyond just the two types, but I have trouble putting much stock in typology on these matters, chances are after enough exposure and life experience, the lines begin to blur a lot, and common sense kind of kicks in to highlight it's just people, doing people things, within the spectrum of their conditioning and the human existence.
 

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Spent a long time talking to ENTP tonight. .

I was an open book. I exposed my real self and thoughts and he loved it.

So, we are good.

I just wanted to let you all know because you had invested time and effort into my thread, giving me feedback. I asked HIM the stuff I had originally asked you guys. It was great.
 

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I think Ni vs Ne plays a role, despite the shared judging, and that extends beyond just the two types, but I have trouble putting much stock in typology on these matters, chances are after enough exposure and life experience, the lines begin to blur a lot, and common sense kind of kicks in to highlight it's just people, doing people things, within the spectrum of their conditioning and the human existence.

Cherry picking and going off on a bit of a tangent:
I think typology can be relevant in getting across the concept of "all common human behavior, just need to look in different areas", except that's not how typology is usually understood, at least from my pov.
 

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Spent a long time talking to ENTP tonight. .

I was an open book. I exposed my real self and thoughts and he loved it.

So, we are good.

I just wanted to let you all know because you had invested time and effort into my thread, giving me feedback. I asked HIM the stuff I had originally asked you guys. It was great.

Yeah, it's when people basically refuse to share anything personal that it really gets on my nerves. There's no friendship without some sharing.
 
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