I think I was born this way. And I tested INTJ on 4 tests I took. I thought I was INTP for a little bit though.
What makes you think I am F, not T? I have never been very good at the emotion stuff, though I do make the effort. And I try to be polite so I don't scare too many people off.
Actually, I only scared one person away from a webgroup (not this one) - that I know of - and she had some major self esteme issues.
Ilah
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08-18-2008, 04:01 PM #11
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08-18-2008, 04:05 PM #12
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well you think too much, to test as an F. But from what I have seen from your posts you get fairly deeply into the human soul (your human soul) and some posts were really touching.
Cant give you a definite answer to your questions, but my bet is you are iNFj. That's what fits you well
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08-18-2008, 04:09 PM #13
I used to be pretty unfocused, but I have really improved since I got a more responsible job (by that I mean more people depending on my ability to finish things)
My secret is the little black notebook(Moleskin to be more exact). I usually get lots of ideas while working on a project and I have a great urge to investigate these new things, but of course that means not focusing on the original project, ... you get the idea
So when I get a new idea, instead of pursuing it immediately, I write it down in my notebook for later time - so I can deal with it when I finish the current project(s).
Also you have to find out what your limits are. For example, I found out I can work on (and finish) up to three projects at the same. If I go above this limit, things usually do not turn out too good
Hope this helps
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08-18-2008, 05:31 PM #14
The key to finishing projects for me is to have feedback and interaction with others. I wrote a long story back in the day, and the only reason I finished it over one summer was because I had people constantly critiquing and reading it. It was exciting to see how they saw my ideas and plot devices. I could tell you the best way for an ENTP to work is to hone their Introverted Thinking, but that would be a lie and ultimately a fruitless statement. The best way to get stuff done is to make it more than just an exciting concept: make it a dialogue with others who are interested.
"The very existence of flame-throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."--George Carlin
"There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle." --Albert Einstein
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08-19-2008, 06:55 AM #15
Spirituality seems to be based of my N. I am not saying it works that way for other people, but that is how it works for me. Sometimes I can sense a spiritual presence or energy. Often I am drawn to specific spiritual or metaphyscial things. If I had to put this into MBTI terms it seems to fit most into N.
Ilah
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08-19-2008, 10:08 AM #16
An amendment to my previous post. I just took a cognitive process test on line. My top results were Ni, Ne, Te, Fi in that order. However, the numbers for the tope 4 were very close, Ni was within 3 points of Fi. Te and Fi were almost tied at 41 and 40.8. Assuming the test was correct and that the top 4 scores were close to tied, I could be almost anything that didn't have an S. Well not quite anything, but I see 4 possibilities, ignoring things not allowed by MBTI like NiFi and NeTe.
NiTe = INTJ
TeNi = ENTJ
NeFi = ENFP
FiNe = INFP
Not INFJ though because my Fe was really low.
Ilah
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08-19-2008, 10:43 AM #17
Hmmm... that's not bad at all... feed your ambition all the fantasies it wants (in twenty years I'll get the Nobel Prize), but while you're dangling that carrot in front of your impulsive side, you get down to the details... (that's how my mind interprets what you wrote!!!)
YES! I need to keep reminding myself of why something is important... that's something I'll keep in mind... why I am I doing this? I'm amazing (albeit very stressed) when I have deadlines imposed from outside... I have to get this paper done by x time or I'm maxing out with a B in this course... no matter what, I get it done and I'm typically happy with the result...
URGENCY... a good word...
Yes... this is so in sync with the concrete, with the urgent... and my Fe is loving the fact that you've caught on something really key for me...
IT'S PAINFUL... psychologically painful... when I have to keep doing the same project for a long period of time... it's something I have to suffer...
You'd be a great motivational speaker, LL... you really got me intense about finishing my projects with the way you wrote here...
I'm confused... I thought you said to forget the end, but then you say to keep the bigger picture in mind... I'm going to work this in with the prior posts somehow...
I get it... but it's the motivation to stick to it which gets me...Madman's azure lie: a zen miasma ruled.
Realize us, Madman!
I razed a slum, Amen.
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08-19-2008, 10:50 AM #18
Ah... I empathize... you've hit on something crucial here... the need for approbation... in lucid moments I understand why it is I want to do certain things for themselves, but most of the time I get immersed in the expectation of how the world will see me and my work... and then I get frustrated, because I see everything else the rest of the world has accomplished and is accomplishing even as we speak and I get completely overwhelmed by negativity... and I shut myself in a room... I need to think about why it is that I want to do something... maybe envision myself in a deserted island and understanding what it is that would make me happy under those circumstances... then try to fit it into the real world... which might make me focus less on others and more on my self... because in the end no one can help me realize my projects...
This is a great idea, Ilah! I mean, I write a lot... but I generally get very antsy about listing what it is I like and want to do... in a more Benjamin Franklin sort of way... and I can see how it would be extremely helpful in putting things into perspective... frankly, when it's swimming around in my head, I find it easier to procrastinate on any one thing and to pretend that everything will somehow get done... I get caught up in magical thinking and forget about the practicalities of life and work... since one has to work hard to get things done... which goes back to LL's point about the pain (for people like us) of actually focusing on one thing..
Though I imagine that after one crosses a certain threshold, habit takes over and allows us to get over the pain of monotony and to appreciate the growth that's constantly taking place as a result of our consistently putting in more and more effort into a single task... which becomes something different... the reward comes, I gather, often when one's completely forgotten about it....
Yes.... it does help! Ilah and you have reinforced each other's excellent strategy... something that I've been loathe to do... but I am going to start doing that...
And how very awesome of you... Moleskin notebooks... I had one of those and it was fantastic.... but imagine this... I scrawled tons of stuff on ten pages and now I have no idea where it is!
I'm going to definitely try this... it'll certainly make things more concrete and allow me to better understand my limits, since I'll actually be having to account for my progress on paper as opposed to simply thinking away 'results' by pushing them into the fog of a hundred ideas...
That's good... I actually wanted to get an e-mail list going back in college with friends, where we'd bat around ideas from any discipline, people would give each other feedback... an e-mail creative workshop, but the range was anywhere from ideas for novels and short stories to experimental rock bands and quartets... I got totally derailed by drinking...Madman's azure lie: a zen miasma ruled.
Realize us, Madman!
I razed a slum, Amen.
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08-19-2008, 10:56 AM #19
Thank you all! Of course, this thread isn't only for me... it's for everyone... there's a lot of people out there with this problem... and I'm sure I'll be coming back to this thread in a few months with positive feedback on the aids... let's see how I do... college is starting up in a couple of weeks, so there'll be plenty of things for me to juggle and I'll see if I can keep up with schoolwork while still giving into some of my wayward projects... we need diverse stimulation, our kind...
Madman's azure lie: a zen miasma ruled.
Realize us, Madman!
I razed a slum, Amen.
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08-23-2008, 01:49 AM #20
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Here are some random thoughts on the subject:
If you're not interested in something anymore, why do you want to keep going with it? The experience and knowledge knowledge from your last expedition will help on your next. Are you worried that you're just not reaching your potential? What do you think you're missing that you're trying gain?
If you like creating businesses, you might build them, sell them, and move on. It's always fun and challenging this way. Is this perceived as a bad practice? You're actually doing one thing, it just looks very jumbled in the real world.
You could always start a project that never ends, but that always challenges and inspires you. My website is an example of that.
Question your motive for doing something. If you foresee that what you're seeking will be easy to obtain, then perhaps you've got the wrong approach. For example, if you play basketball to impress chicks. Skip the basketball, skip impressing the chicks, and just build your self-esteem, cus that's what you're really after.
I'm pretty scattered myself. The main problem is that I usually quit doing something right before I'm able to get the maximum benefit from it. Like if you roll a rock up a hill 90% and then quit. All it takes is another 10%, then the downhill will be easy. I guess it all depends on what you want out of it.
I've started and quit a few things, including sports, websites, and small businesses. Nothing too special so don't ask me to explain them."When a resolute young fellow steps up the great bully, the world, and takes him boldly by the beard, he is often surprised to find that it comes off in his hand, and that it was only tied on to scare away the timid adventurers." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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