[NT] INTJ vs ENTJ

[Bilateral Entry]

I can't count how many times I've seen ENTJs pay a gallon of blood for something they could have prevented with a gram of empathy.

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[Zeldon]

What do you think is the differences between ENTJ and INTJ?


I happened to have an ENTJ brother, and an INTJ father and INTJ teacher, and this is what I noticed about the 3 of them:



The ENTJ is much more practical and action-oriented than INTJs. The INTJs is more philosophical and contemplative than the ENTJ.

The ENTJ is bossier than the INTJ and he tend to give unsolicited advice a lot such as he will keep giving me advice on how to improve on myself. The INTJ is more laidback in this aspect.

The ENTJ cares a lot about his appearance. He drives a sports car, and he is always wearing nice clothes. The INTJs aren't as appearance-conscious and he isn't afraid of wearing ugly clothes.


The ENTJ appears much more approachable and has better people-skills than INTJ. The INTJ can have really acidic tongue at times, whereas the ENTJ is much more diplomatic and tactful in this aspect. The ENTJ appears very charming and polished, whereas the INTJ appears more aloof and mysterious. Both INTJs and ENTJs can be pretty reserved, but if you put an INTJ and an ENTJ in a social situation, you will notice that the ENTJ is always going around socialising with everybody whereas the INTJ only socialise with familiar people. The INTJ tend to give off a "Don't mess with me" vibe whereas the ENTJ tend to give off a softer and warmer vibe but when you get to know them better you realised they aren't as soft as they appear to be.


The ENTJ becomes even more calm and rational under stress and his first reaction under stress is to go into problem-solving mode whereas the INTJ displays anger outbursts and tantrums under stress.


The ENTJ is much more driven than INTJ. He is always doing something. He is always busy. His schedule is always filled with activities. The ENTJ also has this tendency to get things done immediately. For example, my ENTJ brother was helping me to download this software a week ago, and the computer ended up crashing. And he immediately went to buy all the different computer components and then he fixed all the different components into the computer and downloaded the software all within a week. Despite his busy life with work, wife and children, he still managed to finish fixing the computer and installing the software all within a week. The INTJs are more laidback in this aspect


And also, I remembered reading a thread before "Which intuitive has the biggest anger issues" and everybody mentioned ENTJ. But I wanna clear up this misconception.
Based on the INTJ and ENTJ whom I interacted with, the ENTJ is actually very calm and rarely loses his temper, the INTJ is actually much more emotional than the ENTJ. My ENTJ brother only loses his temper once every few years, whereas my INTJ father and INTJ teacher loses their temper on a much more frequent basis.





Anyway, these are just some of the differences that I observed between the ENTJs and INTJs whom I interacted with in real life.

What major differences have you observed between INTJ and ENTJ? I'd love to hear your opinions too

If this were all true it would be obvious that I am a INTJ, but I am not.

 

[Riva]

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Well shit, now that I think about it...



I totally disagree that INTJs are the most empathetic of NTs. Most of -NTPs I've met appeared to be more empathetic than me.
But I would concur that ENTJs are the least empathetic of the NTs.

Majority of ENTJs I've met made me look like a pussycat, and most of y'all old-timer-bitches on this board know that I'm not exactly a gentle fella. I get the sense that a lot of ENTJs are victims of their own success - they are very effective at getting things done by relying solely on brute force of Te and disregard of societal norms, so they never develop emotional intelligence. I can't count how many times I've seen ENTJs pay a gallon of blood for something they could have prevented with a gram of empathy.

I laughed while reading this.

At the highlighted. NTPs due to Fe appear more empathetic than INTJs but from my experience INTJs COMPUTE people's feelings much better than NTPs. I am NOT saying they are more empathetic - as I don't know what's going in their heads - but they are definitely more considerate of others' feelings OR capabilities. They are definitely more helpful than NTPs. I can't think of NTPs ever being reliably helpful. INTJs are some of the most helpful people I know.

Also there is this saying:-
INTPs - warm on the outside, cold on the inside.
INTJs - cold inside and out.

I agree with the INTPs description but not of the INTJs. There is this little thought in the minds of INTJs - 'is this appropriate or how will this person handle this' which makes them a bit more considerate than NTPs.

Is this empathy? or is this a thought of 'how will this person handle this'? I don't know. I am not a INTJ.

But I do know they are better at computing others' reactions more than NTPs. This makes them slightly more considerate of others than NTPs.

 

[Coriolis]

Is this empathy? or is this a thought of 'how will this person handle this'? I don't know. I am not a INTJ.

But I do know they are better at computing others' reactions more than NTPs. This makes them slightly more considerate of others than NTPs.

As an INTJ, I find this is more of a deliberate calculation rather than an instinctive feeling. If it is empathy, it is what is often called cognitive empathy: we can determine what someone is probably feeling and experiencing based on knowing their situation, not because we somehow feel it directly.

As for being considerate and even helpful, I think this comes from our overall goal-oriented perspective on life. We understand we will get more cooperation out of people and less trouble if we are considerate. Taken to its extreme, this is the search for that ideal "win-win" situation, in which I consider not only my own goals, but yours as well. Similarly, when I help someone, it is often because I see a problem that I am easily able to solve, so I do. The fact that it results in some significant benefit to the other person is incidental.

 

[Jaguar]

I get the sense that a lot of ENTJs are victims of their own success - they are very effective at getting things done by relying solely on brute force of Te and disregard of societal norms, so they never develop emotional intelligence. I can't count how many times I've seen ENTJs pay a gallon of blood for something they could have prevented with a gram of empathy.

If one has to resort to force, they can't be that intelligent.

 

[ubiquitin]

If one has to resort to force, they can't be that intelligent.

I observe that many ENTJs are exceptionally astute in observing the strengths and motivation of others-even motivations that individual doesnt realize they have. Pretty soon the person is doing things for the ENTJ without ever realizing they didnt want to do it in the first place-or the ENTJ [points out the inner motivation and you learn. When ENTJs use force, they often do get undercut, but when they utilize their understanding of others, they can be very impressive.


As for INTJ/ENTJ diffs?

The INTJ is the quiet, social awkward mastermind who thinks a great deal, doesnt deal well with rapid change but creates a plan to take over the world. However the INTJ has a gooey middle and can be influenced by those who showcase their values in over the top way. Generally-INTJs feel like they are morally correct, even if their ideas can be perceived by others as lacking in empathy-the INTJ can explain why it is still ok.

The ENTJ is social much more aware and astute, "large" in presence, if not in speech, bold and high in expectations-and in thier ability to deliver for those whom they care deeply for. They expect a great deal from others. Many ENTJs are actually much more quiet than ESTJs-they can easily control indirectly. In addition to all the typical ENTJ descriptions-they have knee jerk empathic responses that can contrast dramatically with their ability to not care about the rightness of wrongness of their actions. Its a very Se version of Fi that can be extremely sweet-one moment they are saving a homeless puppy, right after they gave a rough tongue lashing to an under performing employee. They are much more sexually provocative in nature than an INTJ and do enjoying toying with their prey.

 

[Agent Washington]

As an INTJ, I find this is more of a deliberate calculation rather than an instinctive feeling. If it is empathy, it is what is often called cognitive empathy: we can determine what someone is probably feeling and experiencing based on knowing their situation, not because we somehow feel it directly.

As for being considerate and even helpful, I think this comes from our overall goal-oriented perspective on life. We understand we will get more cooperation out of people and less trouble if we are considerate. Taken to its extreme, this is the search for that ideal "win-win" situation, in which I consider not only my own goals, but yours as well. Similarly, when I help someone, it is often because I see a problem that I am easily able to solve, so I do. The fact that it results in some significant benefit to the other person is incidental.

God this is so true.

This doesn't necessarily make them good people (depends on the person), and with everything, it is a choice that makes it a moral one.

Nonetheless, when they do make that moral choice, AND they utilise that cognitive empathy on such a deep level (...depends on how intelligent the INTJ is of course, but assuming a relatively intelligent INTJ in touch with Fi, and knows how to use Te effectively--), it's always highly effective. I find that cognitive empathy is more meaningful when it comes to discerning mental states than affective empathy, anyway.

 

[aeternal]

"INTJ displays anger outbursts and tantrums under stress. "

This is grip.

I don't do shared office spaces well and it took a long time to realize this. Autonomy is not an option, it's a must. The corporate world is geared toward extroverts, which is why I'm turning my passion of woodworking into a business.

Only by recently discovering MBTI and Enneagram have I begun to understand myself. I am different, eccentric, weird or whatever you want to call, and i'm slowly beginning to embrace it rather than consider it a bug - which it may still be. lmao

 

[Tiger Owl]

As an INTJ, I find this is more of a deliberate calculation rather than an instinctive feeling. If it is empathy, it is what is often called cognitive empathy: we can determine what someone is probably feeling and experiencing based on knowing their situation, not because we somehow feel it directly. As for being considerate and even helpful, I think this comes from our overall goal-oriented perspective on life. We understand we will get more cooperation out of people and less trouble if we are considerate. Taken to its extreme, this is the search for that ideal "win-win" situation, in which I consider not only my own goals, but yours as well. Similarly, when I help someone, it is often because I see a problem that I am easily able to solve, so I do. The fact that it results in some significant benefit to the other person is incidental.

I agree with this. I am not without the capacity for emotional empathy but I am more comfortable with the application of cognitive empathy.

 

[Norexan]

 

[notmyapples]

As an INTJ, I find this is more of a deliberate calculation rather than an instinctive feeling. If it is empathy, it is what is often called cognitive empathy: we can determine what someone is probably feeling and experiencing based on knowing their situation, not because we somehow feel it directly.

I'd just like to point this out because I feel like this is something nobody talks about with Fi, but this is very much Fi empathy. Fe feels instant emotional response because it is externally functioning, Fi is an internal judging function and almost processes emotions in the same way that Ti processes information. Meaning that Fi's way of empathizing is commonly taking the steps to relate to another person's misfortune or even fortune by comparing how they themselves would feel in their shoes, verifying they understand the reason behind such a feeling and then empathy. And even that empathy is more of a 'yes, I understand this' than 'yes, I am overcome with emotion for you.' Fi can have a hard time comforting others too because it is not natural to the introverted function. This is something I see characterized almost only to XXTJ types, but speaking as an Fi dom who has also interacted with other Fi users, learning to comfort and knowing how to properly react outwardly to another's emotions without feeling like you are faking it is something that all Fi placements struggle with. That doesn't mean that Fi doesn't have empathy, it's just a different cognitive and what is defined as empathy tends to be very Fe reaction based.

So to any XXTJ types who think they're heartless or doing it wrong by being calculative with emotion, you're functioning healthily and experiencing empathy in a common Fi way.

 

[Digital Lion]

I'd just like to point this out because I feel like this is something nobody talks about with Fi, but this is very much Fi empathy. Fe feels instant emotional response because it is externally functioning, Fi is an internal judging function and almost processes emotions in the same way that Ti processes information. Meaning that Fi's way of empathizing is commonly taking the steps to relate to another person's misfortune or even fortune by comparing how they themselves would feel in their shoes, verifying they understand the reason behind such a feeling and then empathy. And even that empathy is more of a 'yes, I understand this' than 'yes, I am overcome with emotion for you.' Fi can have a hard time comforting others too because it is not natural to the introverted function. This is something I see characterized almost only to XXTJ types, but speaking as an Fi dom who has also interacted with other Fi users, learning to comfort and knowing how to properly react outwardly to another's emotions without feeling like you are faking it is something that all Fi placements struggle with. That doesn't mean that Fi doesn't have empathy, it's just a different cognitive and what is defined as empathy tends to be very Fe reaction based.

So to any XXTJ types who think they're heartless or doing it wrong by being calculative with emotion, you're functioning healthily and experiencing empathy in a common Fi way.

Very helpful, thanks. Mind if I pick your brain?

Now please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I once watched an INFP youtuber say something to the effect that Fi is always asking,"how does this make me feel (according to what I value and hold to be important)?" That unlike Fe which scans the outer emotional landscape/environment and then reacts/"talks" through feelings, Fi finds emotional "meaning" and resonance from within by way of "listening" and internally filtering incoming information through feelings. Does that ring true?

Also, if an Fi dom, similarly to tertiary and inferior Fi users, cognitively processes empathy and therefore may have a cold or detached outer "affect," is it true for you that, internally, you might be experiencing emotions very intensely? Because I can feel things but it seems rather blunted and shallow in comparison to other Fi users. Is it because Fi is lower in my stack and higher in yours? Or is the difference simply rooted in the degree to which an Fi user personally relates to another person's plight?

 

[Norexan]

Difference?
Fi feels a lot. Shows little.
Fe Shows a lot. Feels little.

 

[notmyapples]

Very helpful, thanks. Mind if I pick your brain?

Now please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I once watched an INFP youtuber say something to the effect that Fi is always asking,"how does this make me feel (according to what I value and hold to be important)?" That unlike Fe which scans the outer emotional landscape/environment and then reacts/"talks" through feelings, Fi finds emotional "meaning" and resonance from within by way of "listening" and internally filtering incoming information through feelings. Does that ring true?

Yes, I would say this is true. I think there is a lot of confusion when Fi doms say that they approach life with "how does this make me feel?" because many assume we are speaking about emotions like sad or happy, but the 'feel' rather means 'how does this fit into my moral code?' or 'what is my opinion on this subject?' Fi dominants can seem very disconnected from actual emotion at times and I suspect that many strong Fi users mistype themselves as T types when first learning about MBTI, including myself.

The filtering of incoming information through feelings tends to be Fi filtering their Te, assuming that the Fi user has healthily functioning Te, of course. Fi dominants also have the tendency of inquiring about other's emotional sensibility in a detached way when their Te is trying to logically piece together something for their Fi to understand and give educated advice on, Fe/Ti users do the opposite. Fe doesn't often see the point in going further into the details because the most relevant part is that someone is upset and their Ti will put trust in the person's judgement to make their own internally logical decision.

Also, if an Fi dom, similarly to tertiary and inferior Fi users, cognitively processes empathy and therefore may have a cold or detached outer "affect," is it true for you that, internally, you might be experiencing emotions very intensely? Because I can feel things but it seems rather blunted and shallow in comparison to other Fi users. Is it because Fi is lower in my stack and higher in yours? Or is the difference simply rooted in the degree to which an Fi user personally relates to another person's plight?

This is extremely accurate to me. I do think Fi feels things very intensely but refuses to let it show. In my own experience, if someone does or says something that is really hurtful to my Fi, I will try to not let the hurt show but it's practically impossible if the person in question is close to me because I cannot fake what I am feeling in any situation. I interact mostly with Ne and come across as rather optimistic and easygoing, but if something hurts my Fi then my Ne immediately shuts down along with my other functions and I revert into completely silent Fi contemplation. And along with not liking others to see my emotions, there is a certain shame that comes when you know that it's obvious to other people because you simply cannot fake it. I struggled with this a lot as a child too because children are expected to be very outward with their wants and needs but I wasn't so I missed out on a lot of things I wished for or loved deeply.

I think the cause is a mix of both. IXFPs are constantly filtering everything through our Fi and it's usually very hidden, but I do notice that I either feel something intensely or not at all. Usually my Fi is more of a moral filter but when I feel raw emotion, it's powerful enough to have the effect I mentioned before of uncontrollably shutting all my other cognitive functions out. The lower your Fi is, the more conscious you will be when you use it. But I will say that I've rarely if ever felt raw empathy in a Fe, pure reaction way. I used to put effort in pretending that I did but I never really have. My intense emotions only happen when it's something personally related to me, empathy for others works in the way I explained in my previous comment.

 

[Coriolis]

Yes, I would say this is true. I think there is a lot of confusion when Fi doms say that they approach life with "how does this make me feel?" because many assume we are speaking about emotions like sad or happy, but the 'feel' rather means 'how does this fit into my moral code?' or 'what is my opinion on this subject?' Fi dominants can seem very disconnected from actual emotion at times and I suspect that many strong Fi users mistype themselves as T types when first learning about MBTI, including myself.

I often end up having to make this distinction, namely between feeling as emotions, and feeling as value judgment. I didn't include the "what is my opinion" part because, at least for me, opinions are based as much on objective factors as those values. They are all inputs into the process.

 

[DragTV]

if it was a battle of ''who is the most liked overall'' then ENTJ would win

 

[AOA]

Main differences

INTJ
Scientific, introspective, schizoid, strategic, experimental, calm and collected.

ENTJ
Aggressive, extroverted, sadistic, realistic, authoritarian, action oriented.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Main differences

INTJ
Scientific, introspective, schizoid, strategic

ENTJ
Aggressive, extroverted, sadistic, realistic

Not really, that is more of a e5 vs. e8.
INTJs generally tend to be 5s and ENTJ 8s but it isn't that simple.

 

[Non_xsense]

Difference?
Fi feels a lot. Shows little.
Fe Shows a lot. Feels little.

That is how you explain NTJ egoistic/narcissistic behaviors xD.