[MBTI General] Why Female thinkers kick ass!

[sculpting]

three little children come down for dinner. I ask "how Many pancakes would you like?"

Entp boy who is six: three!
Intj boy who is six: two... Wait no three!
Istj girl who is four: I think I'll have more than them.


I love women thinkers! You guys make life so awesome.

<3

 

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[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

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[sculpting]

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My apologies, wine laced posting doesnt make for great explanations

The example cited is inspiring, as even at the age of four, the little female thinker is going out of her way to play games of one-upmanship with the boys, on even terms. She never even stops to think she shouldnt or couldnt compete with them at thier own game and she innately assumes she can win.

Past pancakes, the same pattern repeats throughout the day and it is so (somewhat tragically) funny, as it is so counter to the norm for what is epxected by social standards for a women and how most women present themselves.

When I see female thinkers stand up to buck the stereotype that society lays down for women, I find it admirable and they become role models for me. I say female thinkers, as this isnt soemthing female feelers do as often, given we tend to place what others feel above our own feelings, thus bending to the pressures exerted on us.

TJs and TPs do this in different ways, but the result is equally impressive in my mind and admirable.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Actually... gotcha. That makes a lot of sense.

 

[gromit]

Oh that explanation makes lots of sense. And it's a cute/funny story too

 

[Coriolis]

TJs and TPs do this in different ways, but the result is equally impressive in my mind and admirable.

What do you see as the differences, and how does it differ from child to adult in your experience?

 

[cafe]

My INTJ girl could roll her eyes earlier and more eloquently than I could have ever thought possible. She was looking at us like we were idiots (often justifiably) long before she could talk. It was adorable.

 

[WhoCares]

My apologies, wine laced posting doesnt make for great explanations

The example cited is inspiring, as even at the age of four, the little female thinker is going out of her way to play games of one-upmanship with the boys, on even terms. She never even stops to think she shouldnt or couldnt compete with them at thier own game and she innately assumes she can win.

Life is about one upmanship and competing with boys? Someone forgot to forward me that memo... I thought life was about creating my own outcomes using my own intelligence and believing in my own abilities with no reference to gender at all.

 

[sculpting]

What do you see as the differences, and how does it differ from child to adult in your experience?

I would give some examples, but i suspect they would be a wall of text. This book actually did a very good job of talking about the patterns of behavior seen by different types and the particular stresses seen by female vs males of each type in the workplace:

http://www.amazon.com/Type-Talk-Wor...F8&qid=1377098778&sr=1-11&keywords=mbti+books

 

[sculpting]

Life is about one upmanship and competing with boys? Someone forgot to forward me that memo... I thought life was about creating my own outcomes using my own intelligence and believing in my own abilities with no reference to gender at all.

I think you are correct-INTJs dont seem to compete as much as dominate others unintentionally through rigid implementation of thier particular vision or solution and leave no room for alternatives. I suspect they always feel they are being reasonable, and they sort of bully others into compliance unfortuantely.

 

[gromit]

Life is about one upmanship and competing with boys? Someone forgot to forward me that memo... I thought life was about creating my own outcomes using my own intelligence and believing in my own abilities with no reference to gender at all.

Of course it is, but we don't live in a vacuum, and whether we like it or not there are a lot of cultural assumptions tied to gender. Some of those we encounter from the outside, other people, but some are even within ourselves.

 

[Coriolis]

I would give some examples, but i suspect they would be a wall of text. This book actually did a very good job of talking about the patterns of behavior seen by different types and the particular stresses seen by female vs males of each type in the workplace:

http://www.amazon.com/Type-Talk-Wor...F8&qid=1377098778&sr=1-11&keywords=mbti+books

I have read this, and don't remember that much about gender differences, but I no longer have access to a copy. Your original duplicate post mentioned something about the examples perhaps being offensive. Why is that? Were they based on speculation rather than factual observation? I was more interested in your own experiences in any case.

Of course it is, but we don't live in a vacuum, and whether we like it or not there are a lot of cultural assumptions tied to gender. Some of those we encounter from the outside, other people, but some are even within ourselves.

And some of us are better at identifying these assumptions, as well as more willing to question and reject them.

 

[gromit]

And some of us are better at identifying these assumptions, as well as more willing to question and reject them.

Right. Like you say, identifying is a part of rejecting, instead of pretending they don't exist.

 

[Salomé]

Life is about one upmanship and competing with boys? Someone forgot to forward me that memo... I thought life was about creating my own outcomes using my own intelligence and believing in my own abilities with no reference to gender at all.

I got the memo, and shredded it.

I think you are correct-INTJs dont seem to compete as much as dominate others unintentionally through rigid implementation of thier particular vision or solution and leave no room for alternatives. I suspect they always feel they are being reasonable, and they sort of bully others into compliance unfortuantely.

So.... kicking ass quite literally then?

Your kid just sounds greedy to me.

 

[WhoCares]

I think you are correct-INTJs dont seem to compete as much as dominate others unintentionally through rigid implementation of thier particular vision or solution and leave no room for alternatives. I suspect they always feel they are being reasonable, and they sort of bully others into compliance unfortuantely.

Funniest thing I've ever read. An INTJ couldn't bully a kitten into a cardboard box! You do realise most people's reaction to an INTJ rigidly asserting their vision, is to clear the room.

 

[WhoCares]

Dupe post

 

[WhoCares]

Of course it is, but we don't live in a vacuum, and whether we like it or not there are a lot of cultural assumptions tied to gender. Some of those we encounter from the outside, other people, but some are even within ourselves.

I've been living in a vacumn quite happily for the past 41yrs. Other people are only relevant if you make them so. Not everyone is a prisoner to other peoples expectations. The one advantage to being an INTJ is that you never expect to be accepted so you dont bother working for it and are free to do as you will.

 

[Salomé]

I've been living in a vacumn quite happily for the past 41yrs. Other people are only relevant if you make them so. Not everyone is a prisoner to other peoples expectations. The one advantage to being an INTJ is that you never expect to be accepted so you dont bother working for it and are free to do as you will.

This is true of INTPs too. Although in our case, I think there is little desire to be accepted.
And I think our innate tendency to question all cultural assumptions works in our favour, when it comes to freeing ourselves of such toxic influences.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Although in our case, I think there is little desire to be accepted.

We like to tell ourselves that, but nothing could be further from the truth. Certainly, this is true for myself.