[INTJ] INTJ Description

[Doctorjuice]

I attempt to paint a picture of an INTJ (figuratively...) in this video. Let me hear your feedback and critiques!

Discussion/Questions I have:
-Experiences with INTJs?
-For INTJs: What are some grand ideas or interesting perspectives you have that are related to Ni? Let me into your inner world. (INFJs feel free to answer too, or anybody with Ni)
-For INTJs: When do you get emotional?

Below is my unedited, in-depth portrait of an INTJ. I use the word "He" throughout it, but remember, of course, that there are female INTJs out there too.

Ni and Te:

Here's a guy who's calculating, analytical, and not afraid to look straight at reality for what it is. He knows he's right about something when evidence and the real world stares back at him with an affirming nod. He's confident in the agendas he pushes forward or the directions he gives to people because it's all based on that affirming nod, on the evidence. He thinks, how can you argue with this judgment when the evidence is right here? He will only change his opinion when new evidence expands his perspective OR contradicts what he originally saw. These judgments are rigid and solid. They're based on the constant and stable real world.

These characteristics are what everybody sees in the INTJ, they're the things that get outwardly shown. But these are not what define the INTJ. They're not the biggest part of what an INTJ is.

Contrary to what you may think, INTJs are, at their core, observers. But not observers of the outside world, observers of their inner world, of their own ideas and how their ideas are evolving. They devote most of their energies to experiencing. But not experiencing events or what's going on around them. Experiencing impressions. For instance, somebody makes a comment about religion. The INTJ experiences something intense from this comment, an intense impression is going on inside of them. Their energies focus in on how this changes their perspectives, their ideas, their previous judgments, their world view. They sense potential in this comment and start probing the person, asking further questions, seeing how this further changes the process going on inside them.

INTJs are impression junkies. They live for finding things that leave a lasting impression on them or that which transforms their thoughts into something completely new. Unlike Ne-doms, they focus on one thing or a few things at a time. Things that leave a lasting impression on them are near and dear to them. This concept or area study or whatever it is that piques their interest is what they're completely devoted to. If they drop that one thing then they lose a lot of progress and they have to search like a lost dog for something else that had just as high a magnitude of effect on them. This is unlike Ne-doms. The object holds no special significance to the Ne-dom. Once the surface level stimulation is exhausted, they uncaringly move on to the next thing that's stimulating.

Why is the cold, analytical nature needed? Where do the rigid judgments come into play? The perspectives and ideas that they have in their heads have the most potential when they align with reality as much as possible. When they are valid. Sound judgements are used as a filter to cut out ideas that don't align with the real world, those that hit a dead end in potential because of that misalignment. Te is the process they need for this. Ideas become are developed because of Te. Ideas cannot be built on top of if they have no part of reality serving as a base or reference point. They can not be developed. In order to develop their ideas and their perspectives Te is needed. It's like the structure and raw material that keeps a building standing up. It gives the ideas form and allows them to be developed and built upon.

 

[Randomnity]

fyi, I deleted your duplicate thread in the MBTI subforum. for next time, just PM a mod and we can move your thread, no need to duplicate

 

[RaptorWizard]

It seems based on this video that INTJs can take parts from the outside world and from them inside their minds forge them together into an ever evolving construction that can develop itself with coming contingencies.

In simple terms, you are saying that INTJs are good at coming up with ideas that can transform in accordance with the context.

I would imagine that this makes them very good at pushing concepts to the limit and from them generating maximum progress.

It's interesting how the external world is used as a focus point from which the internal world expands its own awareness.

Reality I guess is a great inspiration we can use to come up with new mental images, as everything in our mind seems to have its origins in our perceptions.

We need to see the present reality in order to build the vision of the immanent reality.

 

[Ene]

First, let me say that I've watched your videos on youtube and I respect you and the effort you put into uncovering MBTI functions. Also, I'm not sure I'm INTJ as I sometimes test as an INFJ [Enneagram always comes out as a 5 though], but one thing that is constant in every test I've taken is that I have a high precentage of Ni, so I want to respond to your video and questions as honestly and candidly as I can to help you in your research, because I perceive that you strive for accuracy and sincerity in your work. In my opinion, you did a great job. Regardless of what anyone may say following my post, your video is dead on, at least for me, and if some expert of all experts feels the need to prove you wrong, thus proving me to be an ESFP or an ISTJ or some other unexpected combinations of functions, my verdict still stands.

Discussion/Questions I have:

-Experiences with INTJs?

--I can only say that I'm a lot like that. When I latch onto something and I know I'm right, I will push my agenda and come hell or high water, if I know I'm right, I will see it through to a successful end, if something happens or new evidence is presented that proves me wrong, then I'll admit to being wrong, re-evaluate and go at it from another angle. Maybe I will do so subtly, because you catch more flies with honey than vinegar, but still, I will do it. When something sparks inside me, I never give up.

-For INTJs: What are some grand ideas or interesting perspectives you have that are related to Ni? Let me into your inner world. (INFJs feel free to answer too, or anybody with Ni)

Wow, that could take awhile, but I don't have time to be long-winded, so I will give a single example of Ni at work during a daily situation in my life. It's a realtively weak example, but it's the first one that comes to mind. So, here goes: There was a certain member of our martial arts demo team that I had a gut feeling about on Sunday. I just had this sudden and unexpected realization that he was going to up and quit our team, back out. He had said nothing to lead me to this conclusion, but there were clues, the kind of clues that can only be picked up on intuitively, something about the way he held his head during our last demo and about the way he smiled and moved. Something about him was amiss, something that no one could have actually pin-pointed. I had picked up on these unspoken hints and I knew. Sure enough, yesterday morning, I got a text message from my fellow instructor that this member had quit.

-For INTJs: When do you get emotional?

You know the part of the video where you describe being in the meeting and someone makes a philosphical comment that leaves a lasting impression and the listener senses potential from the comment and latches onto it, devoting extreme focus on how it is changing their understanding? That is more me than anything I've ever read or heard in MBTI functions and yet, this video is the first place I've come across it phrased in such a way, very interesting. At any rate, when that latching onto an impression, that recognizing that some idea has the power to become something which I can develop into a reality, it is the most emotional thing in the world to me, because that is what I live for, and then of course, I am faced with the challenge of communicating that idea with others because unless people buy into an idea, it will never accomplish anything.

I am an observer of my inner world, of constantly elvolving perspectives and ideas, just like you described. That, in a nutshell, is the very essence of how my mind works.

 

[Doctorjuice]

First, let me say that I've watched your videos on youtube and I respect you and the effort you put into uncovering MBTI functions. Also, I'm not sure I'm INTJ as I sometimes test as an INFJ [Enneagram always comes out as a 5 though], but one thing that is constant in every test I've taken is that I have a high precentage of Ni, so I want to respond to your video and questions as honestly and candidly as I can to help you in your research, because I perceive that you strive for accuracy and sincerity in your work. In my opinion, you did a great job. Regardless of what anyone may say following my post, your video is dead on, at least for me, and if some expert of all experts feels the need to prove you wrong, thus proving me to be an ESFP or an ISTJ or some other unexpected combinations of functions, my verdict still stands.

Awesome. I'm so glad to hear this.

You see, I took a different approach to making the video: I just created a hypothetical image of how I thought INTJ would be and kind of combined it with parts of INTJs I've known or seen. Then I tried describing that image. Then, I condensed my description as simply as possible without losing the meaning behind it. The full description is posted in the youtube description.

I read the rest of your post as well. It offered perspective and real life examples, which was what I was looking for.

 

[Ene]

I'll definitely check out your description on youtube. I'm so glad my examples were of some benefit. I think your new approached worked well.

 

[gandalf]

Very interesting and good description! You found a new point of view into nature of INTJ I hadn't thought about earlier

 

[Entropic]

Well, it gets to the basics but I don't feel it really captures the depth of the type either. It's late and I need to sleep so I might address this at a later point.

 

[Doctorjuice]

Very interesting and good description! You found a new point of view into nature of INTJ I hadn't thought about earlier

That's great! What in particular was new to you?

 

[Doctorjuice]

Well, it gets to the basics but I don't feel it really captures the depth of the type either. It's late and I need to sleep so I might address this at a later point.

I encourage you to add on to my description OR type out your own. Then, everyone will benefit. (Provided what you type out is on target )

But yes, the description could be more fleshed out of course. It was designed for a youtube video though, so that's to be expected (unless I want to make the video longer, but the shorter the better on youtube).

 

[Doctorjuice]

It seems based on this video that INTJs can take parts from the outside world and from them inside their minds forge them together into an ever evolving construction that can develop itself with coming contingencies.

In simple terms, you are saying that INTJs are good at coming up with ideas that can transform in accordance with the context.

I would imagine that this makes them very good at pushing concepts to the limit and from them generating maximum progress.

It's interesting how the external world is used as a focus point from which the internal world expands its own awareness.

Reality I guess is a great inspiration we can use to come up with new mental images, as everything in our mind seems to have its origins in our perceptions.

We need to see the present reality in order to build the vision of the immanent reality.

I see I never responded to this. The way you worded this is really great and I appreciate it.

 

[Entropic]

I encourage you to add on to my description OR type out your own. Then, everyone will benefit. (Provided what you type out is on target )

But yes, the description could be more fleshed out of course. It was designed for a youtube video though, so that's to be expected (unless I want to make the video longer, but the shorter the better on youtube).

Well, you could explain more how Ni actually operates as a cognitive perspective which I think is important. I've already written a bit about this:

ILIs operate with Ni base, making them naturally attuned to detecting hidden trends, meanings and patterns in the world around them. With intuition being introverted, the ILI is capable of reviewing long-term patterns from the past and making predictions into the present and future. This is because Ni operates similarly to Si, in that Ni needs to build models of the world by reviewing data over longer time periods. This differs to Ne base found in ILEs and IEEs who are attuned to possibilities in the present.

Introverted intuition could be best described as finding purpose and meaning beyond what can be immediately experienced that links to greater universal but fundamental truths of how the world functions. Someone with base Ni would for instance look at a clock but what they see and experience is not the clock itself but how the clock is representative of the concept of time. Further examination of the clock and the concept of time could lead to the search for greater and deeper universal truths such as how time controls the concepts of life and death and the apparent cyclical nature of the universe itself.

Ni being a perceptive function allows for information to be stored, reviewed and distilled over time into grander, universal concepts. It is this distillation process of information that allows the ILI to make predictions into the future, and it is this distillation that associates Ni with time. By time one ought to not confuse Ni with the concept of time itself either as a standard of measurement or how we understand change and movement in the physical world, but by how Ni detects and connects to universal patterns in the sense-world. It is therefore more accurate to say that Ni is timeless -- it exists outside the detected space-time continuum. It is thus this ethereal existence that allows the Ni base type to connect to time, and one can argue that Ni is capable of seeing through time itself due to its ability to detect universal concepts and patterns that are true regardless of context specifics. An example of such pattern is that one must first be born in order to be considered a living being.

It is not always easy or possible for the Ni base type to express his or her conceptual understandings of the world due to Ni’s introverted nature. There are several reasons for this. Firstly, introverts have a greater difficulty in general to communicate with the external world due to the how their information metabolism operates. Communication with the external world relies on the acceptance of general principles. These general principles are different to the universal concepts Ni is attuned to, and expression of the universal requires the ILI to find matching external general and logical principles in order to convey the Ni visions properly.

Secondly, being of the IP temperament, the ILI tends to prefer observation over judgement. This is due to the nature of irrationality itself leading the ILI to mostly being attuned to perception data. Sorting through this data requires the active use of a judgement function, making it sometimes seem as if the ILI has troubles coming to conclusions or making decisions. Because Ni operates on detecting patterns over longer time-periods, it is possible for the ILI to find it difficult to sometimes come to definitive conclusions about the state of the world. The ILI may experience a sense of uncertainty in trusting his or her own judgements, feeling that unless a definite pattern has been formed, it is very difficult if nigh impossible to tell the true outcome of things. This could to the outsider look like unnecessary passive observation and as if the ILI does not fully know what it is he or she wants or desires and an extroverted judgement type might even experience the ILI as aimless or without a definite goal. To the eyes of the outsider, it is thus easy to mistake the ILI as a recluse who tends to drift through the world without any apparent purpose or larger life goal, predominantly defined by his or her inertia and inability to create action in the present moment even though the ILI deep down seeks a way to engage with the world in an active, rather than passive, manner.

However, to the ILI, such goals and purposes are impossible to attain without first feeling that he or she fully knows and understands what is to come due to the ILI always being guided by his or her Ni visions. Instead, decisions of importance tend to coalesce over time, resulting in a drive or move that is experienced as inevitable. As such the true nature of the irrational temperament can be observed as outsiders might wonder why the sudden movement or need for action that seems to come out of nowhere, being unaware that this spur of action has in fact been a long on-going, internal process for the ILI.

Thirdly, leading with introverted intuition means complete psychological rejection of the sense-world. All energy is focused inward, constantly distilling whatever vision the Ni base type happened to be interested in at any given moment. Intuition, working by detecting archetypal hidden meanings, is naturally difficult to explain or convey because it does not work with what is tangible, concrete and can be directly observed or experienced. This might lead to the impression that ILIs predominantly “live in their own heads” in that not only do they seem to lack interest in the world around them, but the esoteric nature of intuition might be entirely lost upon those who lack this natural ability to connect and detect hidden meanings and patterns in the sense-world. The end result might be that the Ni base type is experienced as unrealistic, unpragmatic or simply not seen as making much sense in conversation. It is therefore easy to see why the Ni base type requires the use of an extroverted judging function to be able to fully express and realize their visions in the present world.

 

[Doctorjuice]

Well, you could explain more how Ni actually operates as a cognitive perspective which I think is important. I've already written a bit about this:

ILIs operate with Ni base, making them naturally attuned to detecting hidden trends, meanings and patterns in the world around them. With intuition being introverted, the ILI is capable of reviewing long-term patterns from the past and making predictions into the present and future. This is because Ni operates similarly to Si, in that Ni needs to build models of the world by reviewing data over longer time periods. This differs to Ne base found in ILEs and IEEs who are attuned to possibilities in the present.

Introverted intuition could be best described as finding purpose and meaning beyond what can be immediately experienced that links to greater universal but fundamental truths of how the world functions. Someone with base Ni would for instance look at a clock but what they see and experience is not the clock itself but how the clock is representative of the concept of time. Further examination of the clock and the concept of time could lead to the search for greater and deeper universal truths such as how time controls the concepts of life and death and the apparent cyclical nature of the universe itself.

Ni being a perceptive function allows for information to be stored, reviewed and distilled over time into grander, universal concepts. It is this distillation process of information that allows the ILI to make predictions into the future, and it is this distillation that associates Ni with time. By time one ought to not confuse Ni with the concept of time itself either as a standard of measurement or how we understand change and movement in the physical world, but by how Ni detects and connects to universal patterns in the sense-world. It is therefore more accurate to say that Ni is timeless -- it exists outside the detected space-time continuum. It is thus this ethereal existence that allows the Ni base type to connect to time, and one can argue that Ni is capable of seeing through time itself due to its ability to detect universal concepts and patterns that are true regardless of context specifics. An example of such pattern is that one must first be born in order to be considered a living being.

It is not always easy or possible for the Ni base type to express his or her conceptual understandings of the world due to Ni’s introverted nature. There are several reasons for this. Firstly, introverts have a greater difficulty in general to communicate with the external world due to the how their information metabolism operates. Communication with the external world relies on the acceptance of general principles. These general principles are different to the universal concepts Ni is attuned to, and expression of the universal requires the ILI to find matching external general and logical principles in order to convey the Ni visions properly.

Secondly, being of the IP temperament, the ILI tends to prefer observation over judgement. This is due to the nature of irrationality itself leading the ILI to mostly being attuned to perception data. Sorting through this data requires the active use of a judgement function, making it sometimes seem as if the ILI has troubles coming to conclusions or making decisions. Because Ni operates on detecting patterns over longer time-periods, it is possible for the ILI to find it difficult to sometimes come to definitive conclusions about the state of the world. The ILI may experience a sense of uncertainty in trusting his or her own judgements, feeling that unless a definite pattern has been formed, it is very difficult if nigh impossible to tell the true outcome of things. This could to the outsider look like unnecessary passive observation and as if the ILI does not fully know what it is he or she wants or desires and an extroverted judgement type might even experience the ILI as aimless or without a definite goal. To the eyes of the outsider, it is thus easy to mistake the ILI as a recluse who tends to drift through the world without any apparent purpose or larger life goal, predominantly defined by his or her inertia and inability to create action in the present moment even though the ILI deep down seeks a way to engage with the world in an active, rather than passive, manner.

However, to the ILI, such goals and purposes are impossible to attain without first feeling that he or she fully knows and understands what is to come due to the ILI always being guided by his or her Ni visions. Instead, decisions of importance tend to coalesce over time, resulting in a drive or move that is experienced as inevitable. As such the true nature of the irrational temperament can be observed as outsiders might wonder why the sudden movement or need for action that seems to come out of nowhere, being unaware that this spur of action has in fact been a long on-going, internal process for the ILI.

Thirdly, leading with introverted intuition means complete psychological rejection of the sense-world. All energy is focused inward, constantly distilling whatever vision the Ni base type happened to be interested in at any given moment. Intuition, working by detecting archetypal hidden meanings, is naturally difficult to explain or convey because it does not work with what is tangible, concrete and can be directly observed or experienced. This might lead to the impression that ILIs predominantly “live in their own heads” in that not only do they seem to lack interest in the world around them, but the esoteric nature of intuition might be entirely lost upon those who lack this natural ability to connect and detect hidden meanings and patterns in the sense-world. The end result might be that the Ni base type is experienced as unrealistic, unpragmatic or simply not seen as making much sense in conversation. It is therefore easy to see why the Ni base type requires the use of an extroverted judging function to be able to fully express and realize their visions in the present world.

Bravo. This thoroughly deepened my understanding of Ni in Ni-doms. Really, it was wonderfully written.

After reading this, I tried to think where my description might be lacking. My description is more oriented toward those looking for an immediate but shallower understanding than what you wrote. So, as long as I give a surface level/intuitive understanding of the major facets, my description serves its purpose.

So, the question now is, are there any major areas that I did not go into? Also, were the areas that I did describe on-target enough?

I think there is one thing I skipped out on:
The long-term distillation process.

I don't feel I completely hit the nail on the head for this facet.

Or maybe I did hit it on target enough? What other areas am I missing? If I just fill in those hypothetical areas, will the description be complete (for the purpose it is serving)? Or does the whole description itself need to be changed?

These are the questions I ask myself, and I think your feedback on them would be beneficial.

 

[gandalf]

That's great! What in particular was new to you?

Shortly put, the idea of INTJs being "impression junkies." I had never thought of it that way but now that I read it, it really makes sense to me.

I think you really came up with a point of view into the essence of being an INTJ I have never seen in any type descriptions before, and I dare to say that I have read quite a bunch of them

 

[Entropic]

Bravo. This thoroughly deepened my understanding of Ni in Ni-doms. Really, it was wonderfully written.

After reading this, I tried to think where my description might be lacking. My description is more oriented toward those looking for an immediate but shallower understanding than what you wrote. So, as long as I give a surface level/intuitive understanding of the major facets, my description serves its purpose.

So, the question now is, are there any major areas that I did not go into? Also, were the areas that I did describe on-target enough?

I think there is one thing I skipped out on:
The long-term distillation process.

I don't feel I completely hit the nail on the head for this facet.

Or maybe I did hit it on target enough? What other areas am I missing? If I just fill in those hypothetical areas, will the description be complete (for the purpose it is serving)? Or does the whole description itself need to be changed?

These are the questions I ask myself, and I think your feedback on them would be beneficial.

Well, as an Ni type I kind of resist your Si perspective all together not feeling it really hits the nail at all but always kind of side-stepping what INTJ is. INTJ is first of all Ni + T. Our dominant perspective is focused on Ni, and the way we apprehend Ni data is sorting it through with Te or sometimes also seeking new data in order to feed Ni models. This is the entire article I'm writing in very unedited form, so I apologize if the sections below Ni are messy as they are not finished:

White Intuition - Ni
ILIs operate with Ni base, making them naturally attuned to detecting hidden trends, meanings and patterns in the world around them. With intuition being introverted, the ILI is capable of reviewing long-term patterns from the past and making predictions into the present and future. This is because Ni operates similarly to Si, in that Ni needs to build models of the world by reviewing data over longer time periods. This differs to Ne base found in ILEs and IEEs who are attuned to possibilities in the present.

Introverted intuition could be best described as finding purpose and meaning beyond what can be immediately experienced that links to greater universal but fundamental truths of how the world functions. Someone with base Ni would for instance look at a clock but what they see and experience is not the clock itself but how the clock is representative of the concept of time. Further examination of the clock and the concept of time could lead to the search for greater and deeper universal truths such as how time controls the concepts of life and death and the apparent cyclical nature of the universe itself.

Ni being a perceptive function allows for information to be stored, reviewed and distilled over time into grander, universal concepts. It is this distillation process of information that allows the ILI to make predictions into the future, and it is this distillation that associates Ni with time. By time one ought to not confuse Ni with the concept of time itself either as a standard of measurement or how we understand change and movement in the physical world, but by how Ni detects and connects to universal patterns in the sense-world. It is therefore more accurate to say that Ni is timeless -- it exists outside the detected space-time continuum. It is thus this ethereal existence that allows the Ni base type to connect to time, and one can argue that Ni is capable of seeing through time itself due to its ability to detect universal concepts and patterns that are true regardless of context specifics. An example of such pattern is that one must first be born in order to be considered a living being.

It is not always easy or possible for the Ni base type to express his or her conceptual understandings of the world due to Ni’s introverted nature. There are several reasons for this. Firstly, introverts have a greater difficulty in general to communicate with the external world due to the how their information metabolism operates. Communication with the external world relies on the acceptance of general principles. These general principles are different to the universal concepts Ni is attuned to, and expression of the universal requires the ILI to find matching external general and logical principles in order to convey the Ni visions properly.

Secondly, being of the IP temperament, the ILI tends to prefer observation over judgement. This is due to the nature of irrationality itself leading the ILI to mostly being attuned to perception data. Sorting through this data requires the active use of a judgement function, making it sometimes seem as if the ILI has troubles coming to conclusions or making decisions. Because Ni operates on detecting patterns over longer time-periods, it is possible for the ILI to find it difficult to sometimes come to definitive conclusions about the state of the world. The ILI may experience a sense of uncertainty in trusting his or her own judgements, feeling that unless a definite pattern has been formed, it is very difficult if nigh impossible to tell the true outcome of things. This could to the outsider look like unnecessary passive observation and as if the ILI does not fully know what it is he or she wants or desires and an extroverted judgement type might even experience the ILI as aimless or without a definite goal. To the eyes of the outsider, it is thus easy to mistake the ILI as a recluse who tends to drift through the world without any apparent purpose or larger life goal, predominantly defined by his or her inertia and inability to create action in the present moment even though the ILI deep down seeks a way to engage with the world in an active, rather than passive, manner.

However, to the ILI, such goals and purposes are impossible to attain without first feeling that he or she fully knows and understands what is to come due to the ILI always being guided by his or her Ni visions. Instead, decisions of importance tend to coalesce over time, resulting in a drive or move that is experienced as inevitable. As such the true nature of the irrational temperament can be observed as outsiders might wonder why the sudden movement or need for action that seems to come out of nowhere, being unaware that this spur of action has in fact been a long on-going, internal process for the ILI.

Thirdly, leading with introverted intuition means complete psychological rejection of the sense-world. All energy is focused inward, constantly distilling whatever vision the Ni base type happened to be interested in at any given moment. Intuition, working by detecting archetypal hidden meanings, is naturally difficult to explain or convey because it does not work with what is tangible, concrete and can be directly observed or experienced. This might lead to the impression that ILIs predominantly “live in their own heads” in that not only do they seem to lack interest in the world around them, but the esoteric nature of intuition might be entirely lost upon those who lack this natural ability to connect and detect hidden meanings and patterns in the sense-world. The end result might be that the Ni base type is experienced as unrealistic, unpragmatic or simply not seen as making much sense in conversation. It is therefore easy to see why the Ni base type requires the use of an extroverted judging function to be able to fully express and realize their visions in the present world.

Black Logic - Te
The creative function of the ILI is Te, making the ILI attuned to external logical systems and facts. The ILI utilizes Te to shape his or her internal models generated by Ni, providing it with much needed structure and stability. Information is primarily sought through the use of Te, making Te the information-gathering function for the ILI. The factual nature of Te will help to ground Ni to observeable reality.

As such, Te serves as the ILI’s contact function and the ILI will primarily choose to engage the world through the lens of Te by actively seeking and gathering data, primarily by referencing to existing logical structures and systems and facts. These systems could for instance be those found in science but could also be that found in management or whatever subject the ILI would find interesting at that very moment.

Te, being an extroverted information element, emphasizes efficiency and accuracy over internal logical consistency. This means that the ILI could be considered results-oriented in that the ILI seeks conclusions in a casual sense. Viktor Gulenko’s cognitive style of dialectical-algorithmic is definitely true in this regard in that the ILI creates propositions of if-then-else, always seeking a result of each position made so the ILI knows how to proceed forward. If the result of A is not desireable, then is B desireable and if B is not desireable, is C desireable? Dialectial-algorithmic thinking can probably best be visually depicted as a flowchart. This is not to be confused with casual-determinism whose cognition follows a much clearer casual and linear pattern: If B always follows A, C is the result of B, and D is the result of C, then D is the result of A. This is why Gulenko notes that one of the pitfalls of casual-determinism is its circular nature, something dialectial-algorithmic thinking does not suffer from.

A typical example of Ni operating with Te would be to consider what is the most effective plan in order to solve a problem. Consider for instance that the ILI is told to find the cheapest but most efficient computer on the market. The ILI would immediately solve the problem with Ni and Te -- what is the purpose of the computer? What function(s) is it supposed to serve? Perhaps the purpose of the computer is to be able to generate complex calculations. The ILI would then seek out information with Te -- what kind of hardware and software is best suited for a computer meant to generate complex calculations? After extensive research the ILI would finally have all the answers he or she needs in order to buy such a computer. It is important to note that this should not be confused with the nature of Se that helps to realize goals in the present, through action and the manipulation of physical objects in real-time. The action of buying the computer would be the results of Se, whereas the realization of what software and hardware is required for the computer to run smoothly and be the most cost-efficient is the logical conclusions of Te.

It should be noted that by external logical structures, these structures do not need to be accepted by public opinion but could equally be of a more esoteric nature. What matters is that the system is external and objective, e.g. what is written in a book, and




This is not to say that the ILI does not seek to be logical, but with Te being oriented towards the objective world, the ILI is more inclined towards what could be referred to as realistic pragmatism.

By realistic pragmatism one should not confuse the pragmatism expressed by those with sensorics and logic in the ego block who are naturally attuned to seeking practical solutions to problem-solving. Rather, the realistic pragmatism of the ILI is more in line with the ability of applying their models on the world to describe various observable phenomena. This differs to those types who favor introverted logic in the ego block who may be less concerned about creating models to describe the world without much practical application, as much as they favor the ability to logically break down the world. Examples of such models as used in everyday life are for instance the various metric systems that surround us. In this sense the ILI is not much different to those with base Te, except that with Te being located in the creative position, this use is not always as consistent.

Black Ethics - Fe
The function of Fe in the superego block makes Fe the point of least resistance (PoLR) or the vulnerable function for the ILI. Fe could be described as being attuned to the emotional atmosphere between oneself and people and provides with the ability to be sensitive to how to affect this atmosphere in various ways, both positively and negatively. In such a sense it is possible to view Fe as an element striving towards creating a sense of emotional harmony which emphasizes the connection between subject(s) rather than their internal emotional states.

What thus separates Fe from Fi is that Fe attunes itself to the emotional tones and atmospheres in a collective sense. Fe perceives the total emotional harmony created by each subject and this creates an objective emotional tone. Being attuned to Fe means being able to detect how every individual generates their own emotional tone, and how each tone blends into a greater emotional tone that exists separate from the individuals. This is why Fe is considered an extroverted element because it focuses on the extroverted nature of emotional tones and atmospheres rather than the introverted aspect of these tones and how each individual perceives these tones in a personal sense.

As an example, an Fe type would be keenly aware of the collective sense of sadness present at a funeral, generated by all the funeral participants. This awareness of extroverted ethics makes it possible to manipulate it in various ways based on standards of appropriateness or inapproriatenessso if someone is found to express an emotional atmosphere not suited when contrasted to this collective atmosphere, the Fe type might consider it important to correct this individual's behavior to conform.


White Sensorics - Si

White Ethics - Fi
Black Sensorics - Se

Black Intuition - Ne
White Logic - Ti

 

[Doctorjuice]

[MENTION=16405]LeaT[/MENTION]
I haven't read what you put in the spoiler yet.

To say it "not really hits the nail at all," I would have to disagree, as there have been several INTJs who have had profound reactions to the description.

Also, as a suggestion, I recommend that you don't have such bias against Si. It is probably overall harmful to your understanding and perspective. As an Si-user, I have no such bias against Ni.

Finally, I'll be sure to check out what you put in the spoiler when I get the chance, as I'm sure it's good.

 

[Doctorjuice]

[MENTION=14042]gandalf[/MENTION]
Awesome! I almost left that phrase out thinking people would react negatively to it. Others have liked that phrase too, which is a nice surprise haha

 

[Entropic]

[MENTION=16405]LeaT[/MENTION]
I haven't read what you put in the spoiler yet.

To say it "not really hits the nail at all," I would have to disagree, as there have been several INTJs who have had profound reactions to the description.

Also, as a suggestion, I recommend that you don't have such bias against Si. It is probably overall harmful to your understanding and perspective. As an Si-user, I have no such bias against Ni.

Finally, I'll be sure to check out what you put in the spoiler when I get the chance, as I'm sure it's good.

What I mean is that you describe it in very general terms that aren't inaccurate but they don't quite nail it either. And I am not saying I have an inherent bias per se, I am simply stating that what you think is accurate is not necessarily what I think is accurate. This should be discernable alone in the differences of our descriptions.

 

[WhoCares]

I didnt get a chance to understand any of it, it was just a busy montage of flashing images that distracted from anything you had to say. The video contained a lot of clutter, something I ferociously liberate myself from on a daily basis. Sensory overload.

 

[Doctorjuice]

I didnt get a chance to understand any of it, it was just a busy montage of flashing images that distracted from anything you had to say. The video contained a lot of clutter, something I ferociously liberate myself from on a daily basis. Sensory overload.

This has been a common complaint for this specific video. Deviating slightly from what is normally done, in this video more pictures were added and they were displayed for a much shorter period of time. The negative feedback that I received was good because it allowed me to better grasp what the sweet spot is for how many pictures should be displayed and for how long.

What would be interesting would be to see how say ESFPs would react to that amount of pictures flashing for such short periods of time.

But rest assured, pictures will be handled differently in future videos.