[INTJ] Ask an INTJ

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How do the instinct stacking affect your INTJ-ness?

MBTI is a filter.
Instinct variation, is the bean-flavored water poured through.

Edit: I can't be the only one who hates that it's called 'instinct'.

 

[Coriolis]

INTJS are not all the same. Enneagram type and stacking is just one of many factors that contribute to and help to explain our differences. Just look at the INTJs on the forum.

 

[Zarathustra]

INTJS are not all the same.

All it means to be an INTJ is that you primarily process information using Ni and then Te (with Fi and Se working somewhere in the back).

Your core fears, motivations, fixations, instincts, alignment, values, etc. can be all over the board.

 

[RaptorWizard]

All it means to be an INTJ is that you primarily process information using Ni and then Te (with Fi and Se working somewhere in the back).

Your core fears, motivations, fixations, instincts, alignment, values, etc. can be all over the board.

I am assuming then you are not a David Keirsey fan (he is INTP) who defines types solely by behavior and personality traits rather than information processing.

 

[Zarathustra]

I am assuming then you are not a David Keirsey fan...

No, I am not a fan of Keirsey.

He focuses solely on the external, and I prefer an internal approach.

I'm fine with exploring connections between the internal and external, but to focus solely on the latter is stupid.

 

[Nicodemus]

[...] to focus solely on the latter is stupid.

Why?

 

[Zarathustra]

Why?

Because to more richly understand something, it's best to look at it from more than just one perspective.

I've believed what I said about Keirsey for a long time, and I believe Ken Wilber's quadrant theory (which I only recently became familiar with [although, I've believed the sentiment it expresses for a long time]) explains my reasoning quite well.

 

[The Great One]

How do I get my INTJ brother to communicate with me? There are so many things that I wish he would talk with me about but he just never talks.

 

[Nicodemus]

How do I get my INTJ brother to communicate with me? There are so many things that I wish he would talk with me about but he just never talks.

Stop trying to get him to talk.

 

[The Great One]

Stop trying to get him to talk.

But we need to communicate. For instance we split many bills together, and we need to communicate about when we are going to both get together and pay them. He can't communicate to save his life.

 

[Nicodemus]

But we need to communicate. For instance we split many bills together, and we need to communicate about when we are going to both get together and pay them. He can't communicate to save his life.

Oh, such trivial talk. Then just send him an e-mail.

 

[The Great One]

Oh, such trivial talk. Then just send him an e-mail.

He doesn't have a computer. But we live together for God's sake.

 

[Ginkgo]

But we need to communicate. For instance we split many bills together, and we need to communicate about when we are going to both get together and pay them. He can't communicate to save his life.

Everyone can communicate; if he doesn't, then he probably doesn't want to. However, people tend to open up when you respect their boundaries and respect their ability to communicate.

 

[The Great One]

Everyone can communicate; if he doesn't, then he probably doesn't want to. However, people tend to open up when you respect their boundaries and respect their ability to communicate.

I try my damndest to respect his boundaries. It doesn't look like I can get him to communicate no matter what I do. It almost seems hopeless.

 

[Ginkgo]

No, I am not a fan of Keirsey.

He focuses solely on the external, and I prefer an internal approach.

I'm fine with exploring connections between the internal and external, but to focus solely on the latter is stupid.

Solely on external? What distinguishes his work the most is his focus on multiple intelligences. Intelligence is internal. As in, inside. Within. Interior.

 

[Ginkgo]

I try my damndest to respect his boundaries. It doesn't look like I can get him to communicate no matter what I do. It almost seems hopeless.

Then do nothing.

 

[Zarathustra]

Solely on external? What distinguishes his work the most is his focus on multiple intelligences. Intelligence is internal. As in, inside. Within. Interior.

Not within the framework I'm discussing.

Keirsey is a behaviorist, and focused on that which is external.

Jung, by contrast, focused on the internal (i.e., consciousness, psychoanalysis, etc.).

 

[RaptorWizard]

So what type was Carl Jung? CelebrityTypes.com says INFJ, but it also said Jung identified as ISTP and INTP!

 

[The Great One]

Then do nothing.

Ugh. This problem sounds like it just can't be solved.

 

[highlander]

So what type was Carl Jung? CelebrityTypes.com says INFJ, but it also said Jung identified as ISTP and INTP!

There isn't clear agreement. I believe he said he was an INTP in a famous interview but others don't interpret his words as such.