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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Hmmm...

    All I can really tell you is that it's about holding as many possibilities (i.e., perspectives) in one's mind as one can.

    Our joy literally comes from playing these multiple possibilities off one another, because, in reality, we probably have a fully array of complex opinions about each one of them, and expressing the entirety of our opinions would be inconvenient, as, to do so would require pages, essays, books even, and so, rather than express them in full, we just play around with them by referring to them rather obliquely, and allowing our dear readers to either figure it out on their own, or not. Those who can, we let into our inner circle. Those who cannot, well...
    This makes sense. It fits my relationship with my INTJ former roommate pretty well. Took me a little while to figure out her personal Ni use, but she put up with that because she found me interesting. Now we're good friends.

    But how would you figure it out in the context of trolling?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    But how would you figure it out in the context of trolling?
    Well, it's really just not that simple.

    See, from one perspective, you could say that we're always trolling.

    But, from another, you could say that we're never trolling.

    The truth lies somewhere in between.

    And the truth lies in what I said.

    You just have to learn to read those multiple perspectives that we're riffing.

    We literally play them like an instrument.

    You just have to learn to hear it.
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    @EJCC

    I should add that, as an SJ, you are almost certainly going to be bad at this.

    Ni is the trickster (7th) or demonic (8th) function of every SJ.

    I know that, of all my functions, those are the two (Fe, Si) I suck at most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Well, it's really just not that simple.

    See, from one perspective, you could say that we're always trolling.

    But, from another, you could say that we're never trolling.

    The truth lies somewhere in between.

    And the truth lies in what I said.

    You just have to learn to read those multiple perspectives that we're riffing.

    We literally play them like an instrument.

    You just have to learn to hear it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Hmmm...

    All I can really tell you is that it's about holding as many possibilities (i.e., perspectives) in one's mind as one can.

    Our joy literally comes from playing these multiple possibilities off one another, because, in reality, we probably have a fully array of complex opinions about each one of them, and expressing the entirety of our opinions would be inconvenient, as, to do so would require pages, essays, books even, and so, rather than express them in full, we just play around with them by referring to them rather obliquely, and allowing our dear readers to either figure it out on their own, or not. Those who can, we let into our inner circle. Those who cannot, well...
    Although, now that you mention it, this applies to all social interactions of INTJs with other types, not just text-based ones. Which often leads to those moments where-- for example-- some people think you love them (because you were just polite, and left out the entire explanation as to why you were being nice), some people think that you hate them (because you are sarcastically bantering with them in a hyperbolic manner) and some people think you are an arrogant asshole (because of a few self-referential/sarcastically-deprecating comments that you made). It's a complicated game, showing your meanings... And it's definitely gotten me into trouble on a few occasions.

    And I feel like all types do it to some extent, it's just that INTJs don't give a damn-- most of the time-- if the majority of their day-to-day interactions with people are confused as being significant of something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Engineer View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    ISTJ
    Oh sure, calling me names will make up for how ridiculously pretentious-sounding that post was...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Engineer View Post
    Oh sure, calling me names will make up for how ridiculously pretentious-sounding that post was...
    Note how a real INTJ never would've used that emoticon.
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    I don’t see it as you stepping away from the fire. I see it as the fire directing your course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Well, it's really just not that simple.

    See, from one perspective, you could say that we're always trolling.

    But, from another, you could say that we're never trolling.

    The truth lies somewhere in between.
    This is a good way to describe it. We're never really trolling because what looks like trolling to others sometimes is just our "natural" response to the situation or conversation. It differs from real trolling in that it generally has some constructive purpose, though that purpose will be our own and may be far from obvious to onlookers. We are always trolling because, well, that's how our behavior may come across, and our motives are not always what they seem.

    Getting to the bottom of it can be straightforward if we "like" you: just ask. We will either give you an honest answer, or an answer so blatantly sarcastic that you will know the opposite is true. Otherwise we can indeed lead most people down the proverbial garden path quite effectively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Note how a real INTJ never would've used that emoticon.
    Emoticons are the gold standard for assessing a person's type?
    This looks like something an ESFP would post:

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...roduction.html
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