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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    FYI, this is not true.

    It is true for SJs, but NTJs are finicky about different kinds of order. In my case, I tend to care about how one places dishes in the dishwasher to be most efficient, but I don't care about wiping down every single surface in the kitchen, when I don't eat off of the counter and have cutting boards I wash before preparing food. I appreciate having sufficient drawer space to organize my clothes, but lacking such, I'm happy to "organize" them on my floor.

    In general, SJs cares about physical order. NTJs care about a more abstract version of order, known as "efficiency." Efficiency for NTJs ends up being paired with an interesting kind of laziness, where the emphasis isn't on working "hard" but on sheer effectiveness. If we're working too hard at maintaining order, we're not doing it right, in our opinion.
    ah, very nice clarification here! Thank you!

    I INTJs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    Yeah, it's mostly the perceived inefficiencies, as in "WHY would you do it THAT way.
    Hehe, if I had a dime for every time… although there have been times where I suffered through the scathing lecture only to have my vindication later when it was realized that maybe I wasn’t actually being a moron by doing it that way and had well-thought-out reasoning. The vindication was in the form of ensuing silence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post
    God bless the poor soul who has to live with an ENTJ (EXTJ).
    I’m not supposed to tell you this, but they are in actuality big teddy bears.

    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post
    Not entirely true. My father is an ESTJ and he is extremely happy and fun when he is drunk. Infat he is happy and fun most of the times. I would even bet that ESTJs are happier and more socially adaptable than ENTJs.
    You’re right, it’s individual. I know some ESTJs though that just shouldn’t drink, and that's probably true for some ENTJs as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    ah, very nice clarification here! Thank you!

    I INTJs.
    Indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mia_infp View Post
    Hehe, if I had a dime for every time… although there have been times where I suffered through the scathing lecture only to have my vindication later when it was realized that maybe I wasn’t actually being a moron by doing it that way and had well-thought-out reasoning.



    I’m not supposed to tell you this, but they are in actuality big teddy bears.


    You’re right, it’s individual. I know some ESTJs though that just shouldn’t drink, and that's probably true for some ENTJs as well.



    Indeed.
    @bold, It's very amusing how tough the TJ types come off, and then you get to know them and realize that they are a gooey bundle of sugar deep inside their crispy candy shell.

    TPs always seem so fluffy at first and then you dive down and realize the fluff ended all too soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    TPs always seem so fluffy at first and then you dive down and realize the fluff ended all too soon.
    I've seen plenty of sweetness in the TP camp as well. I know an INTP and an ISTP who are just as soft, they just have a different dynamic and keep it in a different pocket than a TJ does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    @bold, It's very amusing how tough the TJ types come off, and then you get to know them and realize that they are a gooey bundle of sugar deep inside their crispy candy shell.
    I think often TJs, especially NTJs, almost expect to not be liked. They are in fact tough, but I think sometimes the show of it is out of proportion to what is appropriate or called for, which to an FiNe user, screams "I know you're likely not going to like me anyway so look how scary and intimidating I am.... I scoff at vulnerabilities......I'm in control here.... I control everything..... even the terms of my rejection....CONTROL........muwwwahahahahahaaaaa."

    Mmhmm. Riiiight.

    Too adorable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post
    God bless the poor soul who has to live with an ENTJ (EXTJ).
    ETJs are fine company. they're just like EFJs accept
    - when you establish your boundaries, they get it. with EFJs, it seems like you have to mercilessly beat them in order for them to get the concept of personal space
    - they don't pry into your emotional life
    - they aren't over sensitive whiners
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Then you should have had him arrested for committing a crime.



    Just because a black man robs a bank, doesn't mean all black men are bank robbers.
    He was arrested. Slapped with criminal damage to property, hit and run, and domestic disorderly.

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    And you're all right - Not ALL ENTJs are egotistical/crazy/stupid drunks. But this one definitely was.

    PERSONALLY, I may never date an ENTJ again.

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    I dated an ENFP who ran through Neiman Marcus, naked, while shooting the display cases with a paintball gun.
    I will never date one again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mia_infp View Post
    I think often TJs, especially NTJs, almost expect to not be liked.
    Perhaps because we so often have not been liked. It is fortunate that this doesn't bother most of us. But which came first - the chicken or the egg?

    Quote Originally Posted by mia_infp View Post
    Too adorable.
    Of course, being disliked is eminently preferable to being called adorable.
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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