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[NT] What are the differences between ENTJ & ENTP??

entropie

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Yet, the least remembered are often the ones who did the greatest of all things
 

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How's that possible since no one remembers? If a tree falls in the forest...
 

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Ya, I know...

I was running out of breath to keep up with you :)
 

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Haven't we just illustrated a difference between ENTPs and ENTJs? :laugh:

*ENTP gets sidetracked and wanders off*
 

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Hey !!! the cat was hungry and he looked soooo cute what should I have done :D.

No I basically agreed with everything you said that made it more difficult to play devil's advocate :).
 

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It's allways good to make comparison with comics/cartoons when talking about diferences betwen types, normaly characters in comics/cartoons have a very defined personality traits wich are easy to trace.

ENTJ = I always think of a Lex luthor with minion army type of personality, not completly but somewhat close to him, i believe that lex is a bit more of a Introvert. The whole idea of never ending power and having defined goals to to conquer pretty much everything i think is inate in the majority of ENTJ'S thus making the ultimate goal to be "Complete Domination", and that in any scale be it the world or be it your office.

ENTP = Allthough they are very similar, I think that the ENTP requires a little more "Public Atention" than the ENTJ, meaning that the ENTP ego is far more hungry than the ENTJ's. I would link this personality to a Tony Stark type of character, in the way that "I can take the ultimate weapons i've created and make them better by using them in an ultimate armor that will be forever upgraded". Its important for a ENTP to have his trademark in everything he created, but more importantly, to have it in the things that he improved.
 

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It's allways good to make comparison with comics/cartoons when talking about diferences betwen types, normaly characters in comics/cartoons have a very defined personality traits wich are easy to trace.

Do you have a huge plastic figure of Wonder Woman too in your bed you sleep with in the dark nights ? I mean hey it's a cartoon figure, someone who loves cartoons cant really be crazy, can he ? :D


P.S.: Damn I just read "pubic attention", you're a genius :D
 

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Heuheuhe

NEVER! Comics and Cartoons are great and may i quote the late joker "I'm not crazy, I'm not"
I'm not a HUGE fan of comics like having plastic laminated comic books keep at 23,42° at all times.....

But character development allways intriged me! Not seeing what the character does but what he is thinking is where the fun is!

hehe :headphne:

Btw i'm loving this forum!
 

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Gotta disagree here.

ENTPs are the types that will bang your girlfriend, get it on videotape, and play it on a big screen TV infront of your co-workers when you least expect it. Or even somehow arrange to have it shown at the local bar they know youll be at with your buddies, just to humiliate you. What could possibly be worst than that.

This is a trashy generalization that doesn't fit the type.

I should know as I'm an ENTP.

I would NEVER do anything remotely close to that...ever!

I'm very idealistic and cherish values that both are reasonable and seem best for the community.

What you described is simply not reasonable or best for the community.

It's something that a scumbag would do.

Most ENTP's are not scumbags.
 

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This is a trashy generalization that doesn't fit the type.

I should know as I'm an ENTP.

I would NEVER do anything remotely close to that...ever!

I'm very idealistic and cherish values that both are reasonable and seem best for the community.

What you described is simply not reasonable or best for the community.

It's something that a scumbag would do.

Most ENTP's are not scumbags.

Yeah, I might do those things for fun, but never just to humiliate you!
 

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I feel ENTPs seem more extroverted than ENTJs... It's just what I have observed, obviously this is from my personal perspective. I don't know the fact.


I've noticed that too. I think the dominant Ne makes ENTPs appear more talkative than ENTJs who have dominant Te and its the talkativeness that's making ENTPs appear more extraverted. Ne rambles on and on more while Te is more straight to the point, getting rid of extraneous stuff. So ENTJ doesn't appear as talkative.

Also the tertiary functions might have some effect. ENTP has tertiary Fe which is useful for connecting emotionally with other people. ENTJ has tertiary Se which is more about action and let's just do it. So again, ENTP has a tertiary function that makes them appear more sociable, which may make them appear more extraverted.

Of course there are lots of ENTPs who claim to be near the border on E/I and ENTJs who are strong Es. But ENTPs appear more hyper when they are extraverting while ENTJs appear more calm and measured.
 

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ENTP:

- eccentric weirdo who's generally not popular except for his small group of friends, seems quiet except when making smartass remarks in class (well-deserved ones at that) or inside the CEO's office, assaulting him with a barrage of "suggestions" to improve the business.

- Had to learn/work to be organized.

- very forgetful of names, details, dates, etc.

- clumsy

- has ability to actually enjoy a vacation.

- more artistic/musical inclination


ENTJ:

- charismatic Harvard alumni who works as an investment banker. Never had problems making/keeping friends, excellent for networking purposes

- naturally organized from birth, effortlessly

- sharp memory for anything

- very athletic and coordinated, naturally

- will die of a heart attack by 40 because of their inability to enjoy vacations.

- strictly a number-crunching/accounting person
 
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ENTP:

- eccentric weirdo who's generally not popular except for his small group of friends, seems quiet except when making smartass remarks in class (well-deserved ones at that) or inside the CEO's office, assaulting him with a barrage of "suggestions" to improve the business.

- Had to learn/work to be organized.

- very forgetful of names, details, dates, etc.

- clumsy

- has ability to actually enjoy a vacation.

Steve! That you?
 

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ENTP:
- eccentric weirdo who's generally not popular except for his small group of friends, seems quiet except when making smartass remarks in class (well-deserved ones at that) or inside the CEO's office, assaulting him with a barrage of "suggestions" to improve the business.
- Had to learn/work to be organized.
- very forgetful of names, details, dates, etc.
- clumsy
- has ability to actually enjoy a vacation.
- more artistic/musical inclination


ENTJ:
- charismatic Harvard alumni who works as an investment banker. Never had problems making/keeping friends, excellent for networking purposes
- naturally organized from birth, effortlessly
- sharp memory for anything
- very athletic and coordinated, naturally
- will die of a heart attack by 40 because of their inability to enjoy vacations.
- strictly a number-crunching/accounting person

LOL, these are exactly the differences between me and my ENTJ sibling, except for those last two. She definitely knows how to have a good time when she is done with her work, and would never have the patience for the number-crunching as a career. Nope, law school all the way for her..... while I try to decide between 5484732 career paths that I have happened to find interesting while getting distracted by all sorts of weird stuff on the internet :yes:
 

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I feel ENTPs seem more extroverted than ENTJs... It's just what I have observed, obviously this is from my personal perspective. I don't know the fact.

Yeeeahnaaa.

It's not that simple, we're just different in how we "extrovert", as an ENTP with an ENTJ brother I see a lot of similarities but he has a harsher more driven towards success edge while I have a more laid back want success but get distracted along the path to getting it edge.

Neither of us would be, or even want to be, the centre of attention at a loud house party (kay put some vodka in him and all bets are off, kay in either of us), his extroversion shows in Te, he is not at all shy about being forward or assertive, my extroversion shows more in wanting to make people laugh and be happy. Both of us are in our elements when there is a smaller group of people willing to talk about something we're passionate about. I do tend to yield to him in debates though, he takes them way more seriously and doesn't flex as he's already decided on his position before we get into things, debates are how I make up my mind so I need the flex.

He has strong internal morals, thank goodness, as without them I could see his ENTJness steeping over anyone to get ahead, he has the brains and inclination to do anything he puts his mind to when it comes to business. I'm similar only replace "business" with "fun" or "pointless things".


ENTP and ENTJ are totally different beasts. Where we appear to be similar is the need to control our environments but for different reasons. Another similarity is the ability to extrovert with people but once again, not for the same reasons as each other and not in the more traditional SJ or SP sense. The "T" dichotomy dislikes being disturbed when focus is on thinking.

We both intuit but in different ways. Priorities are different.

Amen miss kickass ENTJ!


ENTP:

- eccentric weirdo who's generally not popular except for his small group of friends, seems quiet except when making smartass remarks in class (well-deserved ones at that) or inside the CEO's office, assaulting him with a barrage of "suggestions" to improve the business.

- Had to learn/work to be organized.

- very forgetful of names, details, dates, etc.

- clumsy

- has ability to actually enjoy a vacation.

- more artistic/musical inclination


ENTJ:

- charismatic Harvard alumni who works as an investment banker. Never had problems making/keeping friends, excellent for networking purposes

- naturally organized from birth, effortlessly

- sharp memory for anything

- very athletic and coordinated, naturally

- will die of a heart attack by 40 because of their inability to enjoy vacations.

- strictly a number-crunching/accounting person

As an ENTP: I don't relate to the "eccentric weirdo" label but the rest of that statement is hella true. I'm not clumsy. I rock at sports. And my blood-pressure from stress is scary heart-attack material. The rest fits.

As an ENTJ my brother is the most uncoordinated person I know in sports, he looks like a giraffe when you get him on a sports field of any kind, it's freaken hilarious. He is very musically inclined, and has always had a natural ear for it. He specialises in law and accountancy so the rest fits.
 

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I like mrcockburn's list, but I think "strictly number-crunching/accounting" is not ENTJ. That's an ISTJ or maybe an ESTJ. The ENTJs are the "mission statements/company goals" people.

ENTP:
I'm not clumsy either, at least if I can concentrate on the thing I'm doing. I'm good at drawing and painting and such, but I can't eat without getting stains on my clothes.
I can enjoy a vacation, but only if I'm allowed to frantically work on my projects (big ones at this moment: three manuscripts and two paintings. Not counting small ones such as trying out a new cookie recipe) So they aren't helping to avoid heart attacks... Please don't make me "relax"!

Now that I think about it - I guess the ENTJ's projects would differ very greatly from the ENTP's! The ENTJ project is useful rather than fun, the ENTP project is fun rather than useful. Also, an ENTP tends to start projects that are too big for him.
 

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ENTP:

- eccentric weirdo who's generally not popular except for his small group of friends, seems quiet except when making smartass remarks in class (well-deserved ones at that) or inside the CEO's office, assaulting him with a barrage of "suggestions" to improve the business.

- Had to learn/work to be organized.

- very forgetful of names, details, dates, etc.

- clumsy

- has ability to actually enjoy a vacation.

- more artistic/musical inclination


ENTJ:

- charismatic Harvard alumni who works as an investment banker. Never had problems making/keeping friends, excellent for networking purposes

- naturally organized from birth, effortlessly

- sharp memory for anything

- very athletic and coordinated, naturally

- will die of a heart attack by 40 because of their inability to enjoy vacations.

- strictly a number-crunching/accounting person

The ENTJ sounds more ESTJ to me...
 
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ENTP:

- eccentric weirdo who's generally not popular except for his small group of friends, seems quiet except when making smartass remarks in class (well-deserved ones at that) or inside the CEO's office, assaulting him with a barrage of "suggestions" to improve the business.

- Had to learn/work to be organized.

- very forgetful of names, details, dates, etc.

- clumsy

- has ability to actually enjoy a vacation.

- more artistic/musical inclination


ENTJ:

- charismatic Harvard alumni who works as an investment banker. Never had problems making/keeping friends, excellent for networking purposes

- naturally organized from birth, effortlessly

- sharp memory for anything

- very athletic and coordinated, naturally

- will die of a heart attack by 40 because of their inability to enjoy vacations.

- strictly a number-crunching/accounting person

Can't relate to most of that, I probably relate more to your description of the ENTP than the ENTJ.
 
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Awww... I love these classic discussions. What's the difference between xxxx and yyyy. That's what made me join the forum. Interesting days they were 2008. I discovered MBTI.

xxxx Vs yyyy.

These are what keeps MBTI interesting. Not the boring deep psychological discussions.
 
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