lunalum
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As someone a bit conflicted between I and E at the moment, this is relevant to my interests.
So INTPs in their 20s tend to go through an ENTP phase? Or, ENTPs with weak E may look INTP until reaching their later 20s? *takes note*
Could the same be said for other types and their dominant functions?
I agree with using Ne and Fe to pursue individualistic agendas, but I think some of the individualistic agenda is lost if one has to let go of Ti in the pursuit.
Agreed here. Those other people are kind of helpful I don’t know about ‘niche’ in the singular though, more like a giant network.
I learned long, long ago that most other people don’t really like Ti. Especially when things get so unreasonable that Ti turns into a monster and shoots lasers at everything. So I don’t really let go, but since I value having a support network and going to school, I’ve learned to hide my true monstrous nature
Exactly. At the same time though, Ne is also very essential to me. I kind of get caught in a battle whether to sit on my own and complete my analysis, or to get input from the outer world to gather more ideas.
Of course it needs help. It’s just that in some INTPs it is helped by a bunch of mindless minion functions, and in some all of the functions are at the table together with about-equal input.
I am oddly somewhat comfortable and very uncomfortable with this practice. It is hard to explain…
LOL, I am liking the term ‘logic-whore,’ and if I could phrase it slightly milder I would use it to describe myself. If ‘healthy’ means to let go of logic and use Fe naturally, then ‘healthy’ is overrated
I think I switch around a lot between warm and cold. It is hard to find a balance. People see me as this sweet little girl when I am on my warm side, and then get all confused when I switch to cold (and therefore seem less sweet and feminine).
Maybe this is part of the type shift too. This biological clock thing scares me, lol.
Being a self proclaimed ENTP, currently 29 years old (who doesn't really have a very strong sense of extroversion), I thought that maybe most INTPs will just be reformed into this more ENTP-ish phase once they get older. Honestly, I really feel more INTP-ish years ago.
So INTPs in their 20s tend to go through an ENTP phase? Or, ENTPs with weak E may look INTP until reaching their later 20s? *takes note*
You have to admit, INTPs do cling too much to their Ti.
Could the same be said for other types and their dominant functions?
It's like, you need to have a certain degree of social conformity (Fe) and creative flexibility (Ne) to pursue individualistic agendas. The individuality is still there in the agenda, but you need to make some compromises, instead of clinging to the virtue of your own intellect (Ti).
I agree with using Ne and Fe to pursue individualistic agendas, but I think some of the individualistic agenda is lost if one has to let go of Ti in the pursuit.
The gist here is, you find your niche to pursue your personal goals. You just can't do it alone.
Agreed here. Those other people are kind of helpful I don’t know about ‘niche’ in the singular though, more like a giant network.
Yeah, it can be tough for the INTP to let go of Ti. As you get older, you definitely see the need for it though. You see other people being successful (in social circles, in jobs, etc.) by letting go and not just being a Ti-monster.
I learned long, long ago that most other people don’t really like Ti. Especially when things get so unreasonable that Ti turns into a monster and shoots lasers at everything. So I don’t really let go, but since I value having a support network and going to school, I’ve learned to hide my true monstrous nature
For INTP's, we see that it's important to "fit in" and we see the importance of Ne and Fe, but it also feels like you're "letting go" of something that is so essential to yourself
Exactly. At the same time though, Ne is also very essential to me. I kind of get caught in a battle whether to sit on my own and complete my analysis, or to get input from the outer world to gather more ideas.
And I agree with the ENTP's that Ti can't do it all by itself. It needs help.
Of course it needs help. It’s just that in some INTPs it is helped by a bunch of mindless minion functions, and in some all of the functions are at the table together with about-equal input.
And I absolutely hate watching someone "butter up" another person using Fe for their own personal gain. It's like, "Hey, I didn't give a crap about you last week and I won't really give a crap about you the moment this conversation is over, but, yeah, do you think you could do a big favor for me today?" And, just because you're smiling at them and acting friendly towards them at that moment and you told a funny joke that made the person laugh before you asked the favor, doesn't change the fact that you're basically "using the person". The joking and the Fe is only a way of "making it look nice" - dressing it up. I see the personal value in it (my agenda will move forward), but I don't see the value in it for the other person - in fact, I usually see it as "unfair" to them especially when they have no idea they just got pwned by the ENTP and his Fe. It's valuable for "me" and "what I want", but it's just really hard for me to engage in that practice (and admittedly, I'm not that good at it).
I am oddly somewhat comfortable and very uncomfortable with this practice. It is hard to explain…
+1 Agreed completely, NTPs who are logic-whores IMO tend to be really unhealthy, as a former logic whore myself, I can definitely say that most of those NTPs who are afraid Fe or any sort of emotive expression or emotive reason for that matter, are sad little child, immature unhealthy people... frankly we need more healthy NTPs out there.
LOL, I am liking the term ‘logic-whore,’ and if I could phrase it slightly milder I would use it to describe myself. If ‘healthy’ means to let go of logic and use Fe naturally, then ‘healthy’ is overrated
I'm kind of interested in how Fe expression differs between male and female NTPs. I would say that females tend to be warmer, but at the same time I know I can be as big a troll as any guy.
I think I switch around a lot between warm and cold. It is hard to find a balance. People see me as this sweet little girl when I am on my warm side, and then get all confused when I switch to cold (and therefore seem less sweet and feminine).
Maybe it differs when male and female NTPs start to really pay attention to and value their Fe. Women might feel it sooner as their biological clocks are likely to run out sooner than men's. I know every once in a while I'm overcome with very strong, very strange maternal feelings for other people. And babies. My uterus is telling me I've only got X number more years of fertility. Gotta find me a husband and a steady income and start churning out some offspring! And that means opening up and caring for other people and building a support network to help break any falls I might have as I synthesize my new family.
Maybe this is part of the type shift too. This biological clock thing scares me, lol.