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[ENTP] Christian ENTPs?

What is your view on religion as an ENTP?

  • I am Christian and very serious about it

    Votes: 11 26.2%
  • I'm Christian...whateva

    Votes: 1 2.4%
  • I was raised Christian and came to my senses

    Votes: 13 31.0%
  • Christians freak me the funk out, stay away!

    Votes: 4 9.5%
  • I'm down with the Buddha

    Votes: 3 7.1%
  • I'm Muslim

    Votes: 1 2.4%
  • Judaism is my thing

    Votes: 3 7.1%
  • Athists are better lovers

    Votes: 8 19.0%
  • Agnostics are fearless lovers

    Votes: 12 28.6%
  • Dude, what the hell, you forgot mine!

    Votes: 5 11.9%

  • Total voters
    42

Samvega

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If I meet an ENTP [or intuitive for that matter] I normally commence with the Christian bashing assuming there's no way on earth they could be one. Likewise, if I meet a sensor I assume they are and proceed with caution.

Don't get me wrong, I have respect for all faiths but intuitives tend to be rational people and since rational arguments don't normally work on religious people (otherwise, there would be no religious people) I tend to assume intuitives have processed Christianity and dismissed it, something sensors don't tend to do.

Thoughts and ideas would be great as I have no attachment to being right, just curious how the numbers play out.
 

onemoretime

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I used to be virulently anti-Christian. Now, I recognize that it's just what some people need to reconcile with and comprehend the world. As long as they don't try to impose this vision on others, then I have no problem with it. On the other hand, if you try to justify something that is clearly untrue on the basis of dogma, I'm not going to let that slide.
 

entropie

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I find your thesis that intuitives tend to be rationals opposed to sensors kinda wrong. On the contrary if one of the two has the right to be irrational it would rather be intuitives.

I am at personal war with most earthen religious, except for buddhism. If I were to choose a religion it would be buddhism. Yet I can be kinda spiritual when properly stimulated. On a good mushroom trip I have managed to even form emotional bonds with people and created thoughts bonds which were anything else but existing, yet felt real. That's alot what spirituality means for me, to have a good feeling. I am still a big fan of psychedelic music and tho I know people dont have auras, I still like to use that terminology cause it describes my human experience.

So bottom line: I'ld think dominant intuitive perceivers are the ones with the greatest claim to irrationality in my eyes.
 

guesswho

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I don't believe in religion.

It is estimated that the milky way contains 100-400 billion stars and 50 billion planets. It is also estimated that there are about 100 200 billion galaxies in the universe.

Now. If we multiply the number of stars in our solar system let's say 400 000 000 000 * 200 000 000 000 (galaxies) = 80 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 Stars.

History has shown that we have underestimated the number of stuff in our universe a lot of times, so I wouldn't be surprised if the number of galaxies would be much higher.

Our earth orbits around 1 star out of the 80 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 stars. (and we have no idea how many planets may be in the universe, most of our detected planets are ridiculously big...for obvious reasons)

Statistically speaking, we are insignificant.

Yet we claim to know it all.
 

EcK

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I'm technically agnostic, but I still consider that based on current data (knowing that 'believers' are not likely to have access to any more data) the theist claims at best explain complexity with higher complexity, which creates and eternal cycle of rising complexity and isn't elegant nor necessary. Though I don't dismiss the possibility, i consider that the claim that it's a 'better answer because science don't know it all' is just plain bad logics.

Then you have all the beliefs about personal "daddy in the sky" god(s). An example i'm well acquainted with: a Monotheistic religion with 3 in 1 gods and lots of mini gods (saints, a certain mother of god) that people pray to more than to the main god yet aren't really gods and all of that having a supposed effect (miracles etc.) that escapes all statistical analysis. Not to mention 'daddy beats you because he loves you' and all the painfully comical hints at the neurological\psychological source of the meme (god is a "He", 'I feel a presence', God=moral code and takes care of you=daddy issues)
Frankly that's just silly. on the 'unlikely' scale it's far less consistent with the observed universe than say unicorns, dragons or flying spagetti monsters.

Yet people tend to assume that if i'm agnostic it means that their claims are somehow just as likely as explanations that actually bother looking at the available data, or that i'll respect their opinion when most of them didn't bother to think it through before invading the noosphere. That's like shitting in people's garden for the simple reason that one has an ass, it's only fine if one lives alone in cave, far from civilisation.

No, I'll argue and maybe call them irresponsible children who shouldn't get a right to vote because they're dangerous for society and the future of mankind. That's independant from wether it's ultimately true or not. Out of a casino there's no value in 'being right' if it was just a random draw.
And that's what theories without an ounce of self consistency or correlation with observed data is: a very anthropocentered self important throw of a 10^1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000(...) sided coin with one's eyes closed.

A mathematician wouldn't respect someone who, claiming to be a mathematician him\herself declares, without any justification,that 1+1=3.
A civilized man has no reason to respect someone who, while having or planning to have children uses and lives by and teach them ethical codes and belief systems that are only justifiable if one lives in a primitive tribe in 20 000 BCE.
 

EJCC

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I know an INTP who's Christian.
... but he never talks about it :thelook:
It's confusing. :confused:
 

entropie

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Not at all, I have an engineering professor who believes in God. Belief is a thing anyone has and if it's just belief in one self.
 

freeeekyyy

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If I meet an ENTP [or intuitive for that matter] I normally commence with the Christian bashing assuming there's no way on earth they could be one. Likewise, if I meet a sensor I assume they are and proceed with caution.

Don't get me wrong, I have respect for all faiths but intuitives tend to be rational people and since rational arguments don't normally work on religious people (otherwise, there would be no religious people) I tend to assume intuitives have processed Christianity and dismissed it, something sensors don't tend to do.

Thoughts and ideas would be great as I have no attachment to being right, just curious how the numbers play out.

Wow...both anti-religious and anti-sensor in one. So people can't be rational if they don't come to the same conclusions you do about things. I understand.


I'm an NT and Chrstian, by the way...not ENTP though.
 

entropie

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Wow...both anti-religious and anti-sensor in one. So people can't be rational if they don't come to the same conclusions you do about things. I understand.


I'm an NT and Chrstian, by the way...not ENTP though.

Do you want to convert ? I have cookies !
 
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I've wondered about the concept of us not knowing everything. And I wonder from a certain perspective wouldn't you know everything you know. That's everything too. It's semantics, and I'm inclined to agree that we don't know everything, but I think a more interesting question is why we don't think we do.
 

entropie

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Is he agnostiuc ^sounds like an illness :D
 

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Don't get me wrong, I have respect for all faiths but intuitives tend to be rational people and since rational arguments don't normally work on religious people (otherwise, there would be no religious people) I tend to assume intuitives have processed Christianity and dismissed it, something sensors don't tend to do.
What faiths would you assume intuitives would not dismiss?
 

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There's a famous porn series with 12 episodes that had something with faith in the title, dont remember it
 

Perch420

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Wow...both anti-religious and anti-sensor in one. So people can't be rational if they don't come to the same conclusions you do about things. I understand.


I'm an NT and Chrstian, by the way...not ENTP though.

A rational person can't believe in an irrational thing. Christianity is irrational, so therefore all Christians are not rational.
 

funkadelik

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I'm technically agnostic, but I still consider that based on current data (knowing that 'believers' are not likely to have access to any more data) the theist claims at best explain complexity with higher complexity, which creates and eternal cycle of rising complexity and isn't elegant nor necessary. Though I don't dismiss the possibility, i consider that the claim that it's a 'better answer because science don't know it all' is just plain bad logics.

This is really well put.

I guess when it comes to put a label on what I believe in, I would consider myself agnostic. But it really depends on which God I'm agnostic towards. I would say I'm atheist towards the Christian/Muslim/Jewish-type, monotheistic, fear-mongering monstrosity. A father-in-the-sky figure who condemns you for your sins, requires constant prayer and appeasement is as ludicrous an idea as perpetual motion, wizards or yes, flying spaghetti monsters. :laugh:

But a pantheistic view of god is one I'm more agnostic towards than anything. Yes, while a pantheistic god theory will probably just grow in complexity and obscurity the more we discover about our universe through science (thus rendering it more arbitrary and inelegant), I just don't know enough to make a decision either way. Inelegance isn't ideal, but it isn't enough to discredit a theory entirely.

It frustrates me to no end how religion has become an excuse for ignorance and bigotry. I try not to judge people who claim to belong to a certain religion (I recognize that it's an important part of a lot of people's lives) but I will have no reservation beating down with the mighty stick of rationale someone who comes at me spouting hateful dogma and other nonsense.
 
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