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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I would say the fact that the vast majority of voters have been NTPs skews the vote, but...
    Throw up an STJ or STP poll and see the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Throw up an STJ or STP poll and see the same thing.
    Yeah, but how about INTJ vs. INTP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Yeah, but how about INTJ vs. INTP?
    J is the close-minded function.

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    INTJ's. They make up their minds, and it's final. End of subject.(I'm not listening, are you still talking? kinda way) Never had quite the same experience with INTP's. They are open to new data, at least in my experience. No real experience with their extrovert counterparts.
    Although ENTP's seem kinda hard to sway from a particular course of action, or thought pattern some times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    J is the close-minded function.
    No, its the righteous mo-fo function. It is what makes us rulers.
    All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.
    Chapter IV, p. 448. - Adam Smith, Book 3, The Wealth of Nations

    whether or not you credit psychoanalysis itself, the fact remains that we all must, to the greatest extent possible, understand one another's minds as our own; the very survival of humanity has always depended on it. - Open Culture

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    NTJs.

    Closed-mindness is built-in function of J.

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    close-minded (from Dictionary.com)

    adjective
    not ready to receive to new ideas

    @Zarathustra, but would an Fi user ever feel close-minded, and say that of themselves? Forget type, no PERSON would ever consider themselves closed to new information, but that they've heard the other 2+2=3 argument, and already considered it for what it is. Thus the reason I maintain closemindedness is a perception of others onto you, and purely subjective having nothing to do with any persons ACTUAL ability to be understanding and their ability to listen to, and interpret both sides of an argument. Even FireyPheonix is corroborating that sentiment, the inability to listen, the inability to ACT in an understanding way towards others; humility.

    We live in an "either/or" world, and not an "and/but" world, as making an "and/but" statement is actually an "either/or" statement. And in a discussion on opposing fronts, the ability to recognize that is what is important. Tolerant of someone else's beliefs, simply means that you don't believe in your own.
    "Truth stands true, independent of whether you agree with it or not."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    J is the close-minded function.
    Not sure if you read these two posts earlier...

    So then how about the fact that INTPs under the MBTI definition of "judging" are in fact Socionic's INTjs?

    If you take both methodologies into account, the labeling would look something like this:

    ENTJj
    INTJp
    INTPj
    ENTPp

    I think, based on this "combined" labeling system, that incorporates both Socionic's and MBTI's methodology for labeling "judging" and "perceiving", the more J/j one has, the more one would generally be considered "close-minded" by his or her peers.

    That's not to say that perception about one's open-mindedness and close-mindedness can't be false, a la quote from personality page I included earlier:
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    Others may falsely perceive the INTJ as being rigid and set in their ways. Nothing could be further from the truth, because the INTJ is committed to always finding the objective best strategy to implement their ideas. The INTJ is usually quite open to hearing an alternative way of doing something.
    But I think it will at least explain people's perceptions of a person.

    Hence, your own vote (and almost everybody else's) in this thread.

    An interesting question then is, between the two types who both have one J/j and one P/p in their combined labeling: who appears more close-minded? And who actually is more close-minded?
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    I don’t see it as you stepping away from the fire. I see it as the fire directing your course.
    No matter how airy or earthy or watery you become... to many of us you will always be...a super nova."

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    Quote Originally Posted by lastrailway View Post
    NTJs.

    Closed-mindness is built-in function of J.
    Spoken like a true P...
    The Justice Fighter

    INTJ - 6w5 8dw 3w4 sx/so - Neutral Good

    "I trust what you are doing though…I just see it a little differently.
    I don’t see it as you stepping away from the fire. I see it as the fire directing your course.
    No matter how airy or earthy or watery you become... to many of us you will always be...a super nova."

    "Behind these gates of seeming warmth sits, loosely chained, a fierce attack dog. Perhaps not crazy, but dangerous"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    No, its the righteous mo-fo function. It is what makes us rulers.
    I thought it was the nun who smacked you so much with one that it integrated into your body structure.

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