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    Plumage and Moult proteanmix's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craft View Post
    Cognitive Functions are intuitive processes, correct?
    Yeah, I'm going to have agree with the Rabbit. I'm not sure what you're asking.

    So Fe is intuitive understanding?
    Intuitive understanding of...? I'd say it's more like a predisposition towards or preoccupation with the interpersonal which may or may not lead to understanding.

    What function do you use when you "think about social dynamics"? Doesn't that proceed to Ti?
    Yes, I'm pretty sure I'm using Ti. I don't split up function usage, I think they all work in tandem with each other but at different levels much like this:

    If you're asking me if I can isolate when exactly I'm using Ti, I'm going to have to think about if I can catch it when it's happening. I can't really enumerate any issues with Ti I have the way some IxTPs can with Fe.
    Relationships have normal ebbs and flows. They do not automatically get better and better when the participants learn more and more about each other. Instead, the participants have to work through the tensions of the relationship (the dialectic) while they learn and group themselves and a parties in a relationships. At times the relationships is very open and sharing. Other time, one or both parties to the relationship need their space, or have other concerns, and the relationship is less open. The theory posits that these cycles occur throughout the life of the relationship as the persons try to balance their needs for privacy and open relationship.
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    Re emotions being the raw stuff of values:

    It seemed to me plausible to say that one literally doesn't generate values of any kind unless one at some point has some feelings, either consciously or unconsciously. Like, it seems obvious to me that I get wrapped up in being objective because I feel right if I do. (Textbook Fi in service of a more conscious thinking function--I feel right if I am allowed to use my thinking function in the way it was, seemingly, designed.) That for Ts the feeling is often the less conscious part of the package makes it seem it was the T function that produced the values. This misidentification of which function has the primary value generation role perhaps happens especially when young, when the F function is unruly and unconscious. When young, asserting the primacy of the T function actually brings some kind of stability or comfort and makes it seem that that's where the value lies.

    If that process is what really happens, is it just for Fi/Te?

    Re T and F working in tandem:

    It's a semi-wild speculation on my part that "judgment" somehow never occurs without some control exercised by both T and F. There will of course be a definite conscious preference for one side over the other, and even a conscious requirement that one side be definitively ignored. But in the wider scheme of cognitive things, it won't happen that way, and the ignored side will still play some part.

    This may just be an intuition prompted by getting older and by (seemingly obviously) having a function order that already puts T and F close together.
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    I would say that most functions are inescapable because they are necessary in logical thinking. To say that Fe 'thinks' rings true because Fe is a conscious function. I don't believe that it acts subconsciously because social graces were manufactured (created as a result of society itself). So I would say that Ti hides behind Fe. A face of Ti. I think that's a reasonable division Perceiveing/ Judging. These are what compose thinking.

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