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[NT] Female NT's: Are relationships a challenge?

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I am not a female, but I am going to give some comment. The problem of mine is how to express the feeling of love. I have come up with a promising solution to express it by playing music, since love is what musicians are campaigning about. Many of their song that I have heard are about love. The thing is, I'll have to be skilled in playing an instrument.
 

Lark

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All the women I've dated or been interested in have been NFs or SFs in fact I dont know if I've known any female NTs or STs in person/offline.

Dont know what it would be like to date one, would probably be interesting.
 

rav3n

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No probs finding relationships, in that they're not actually sought. They've organically happened through meeting people. Frankly, I've enjoyed being single as much as being in a committed relationship for different reasons.

The challenge is that I'm tough on the outside with a soft inner core that's reserved for people very close to me. Because of this external toughness and independence, it can attract weak males who can't be relied on to support me when I need it the odd time, hence producing a one way street effect of always being the one giving and supporting. And of course, this resulted in me dumping them for incompatibility.

It took a number of relationships to find the right man. He's not perfect but he's perfect for me. The same holds true in reverse.
 

Yuurei

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The gender stereotypes can make things more difficult than I think they need to be.

In the beginning of my current relationship I did all the cooking and cleaning-stuff I never, EVER wanted to do-out of necessity; husband was at work all day, I wasn't and it needed to be done.

But my husband has been out of of a job for nearly two years and he still expects that to be MY job ...for some reason.
 

Tina&Jane

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Yes. I'm not sure if I'm an NT or not, but this is an area in my life that I've definitely found challenging, especially when compared to other female friends. When I was younger I thought of it as more having to do with general awkwardness/shyness and a lack of confidence, but as I’ve gotten older and become more comfortable with myself (making social interactions easier), I do notice that I seem to have less of a focus on relationships than other women I know. I’m very much generalizing here, but I’ve noticed that many have viewed relationships (and marriage) as a kind of end goal in life; a point at which they’ve finally “made it” and become more legitimate as a person. And when viewed this way, relationships can become something that is strived for at all costs, where red flags are ignored because the relationship and what it represents becomes more important than the reality of the situation.

At the root of this “striving for” seems to be a fear of ending up alone and lonely in life, and while I certainly don’t want to feel these things either, I do seem to have a higher tolerance for being on my own, and have tended to focus more on exploring my own interests and doing my own thing. I’ve been less interested in actively dating (e.g. using apps or other websites, taking numbers while out at bars) and tend to be more passive. I’m kind of hoping to just meet someone casually through work, friends, or a mutual hobby. I like the idea of being friends first and then having it morph into a relationship, rather than planning a date and going into to it with all the expectations that go along with that.
 

soulsin

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No issues with relationships here. Married for 12 years, so that says something about ENTP and commitments lol
 

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Gender comes up in more than one conversation, because often times communication fails before it begins. On top of humor being both of our coping mechanisms.
 

Pionart

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I would expect relationships to be harder for Thinkers in general, because it's the Feeling functions that are geared towards understanding relationships.

Similarly a Feeler would have a harder time with things relating to systems.
 

evilrubberduckie

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Lol what relationahips? I've just been single for the past 26 years, with the exception of a long term relationship, which I won't really count since physical intimacy holds a huge factor for me. Even then the relationship didn't last too long.

I figured if there isn't someone out there who is more appealing to me then my peace of mind and solace, then they aren't worth getting involved with🤷

I have a lot to offer and I don't like to hold back on who I am, which I guess is intimidating. I don't see it. Being told to "be myself" my whole life, and then ging punished for it is unfair, but the idea of spending my life by myself being true to who I am is a happier alternative to jumping into something I don't necessarily want because of my fear of loneliness
 

Peter Deadpan

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Relationship problems are generally a result of incompatibility or an inability/unwillingness to look problems in the face (in any direction). I don't see this being type related at all, outside of intertype issues (misunderstandings or incompatibility).

Associating feelings with types needs to stop. Everyone has feelings, for fuck's sake.
 

Pionart

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Relationship problems are generally a result of incompatibility or an inability/unwillingness to look problems in the face (in any direction). I don't see this being type related at all, outside of intertype issues (misunderstandings or incompatibility).

Associating feelings with types needs to stop. Everyone has feelings, for fuck's sake.

There's an article somewhere that I think states that relationships generally have a higher satisfaction rating when one or both of the couple are Feelers.

I don't know whether or not relationship compatibility between types has been empirically verified. Supposedly Big 5 rates same/similar type pairings as optimal.
 

Peter Deadpan

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There's an article somewhere that I think states that relationships generally have a higher satisfaction rating when one or both of the couple are Feelers.

I don't know whether or not relationship compatibility between types has been empirically verified. Supposedly Big 5 rates same/similar type pairings as optimal.

Types haven't even been empirically verified. You can't really base shit on type for that reason alone.

Typology loses all value the moment the human element is removed and replaced with letters.
 

Pionart

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Types haven't even been empirically verified. You can't really base shit on type for that reason alone.

Typology loses all value the moment the human element is removed and replaced with letters.

Couldn't you then say that physics loses all value the moment the material element is removed and replaced with numbers? Because often in physics you're just looking at symbols on a page, not actual physical objects, but the point is that the rules work the same or similar for both.

So with typology, you can view it as a science where the rules that the letters obey is similar to actual patterns observed in people. So yeah it can be argued to what degree those patterns exist in people, but if they're the same then you can say things from a typological standpoint alone, just with the understanding that it applies to varying degrees to different people.
 

Peter Deadpan

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Couldn't you then say that physics loses all value the moment the material element is removed and replaced with numbers? Because often in physics you're just looking at symbols on a page, not actual physical objects, but the point is that the rules work the same or similar for both.

So with typology, you can view it as a science where the rules that the letters obey is similar to actual patterns observed in people. So yeah it can be argued to what degree those patterns exist in people, but if they're the same then you can say things from a typological standpoint alone, just with the understanding that it applies to varying degrees to different people.

F does not equal feelings, so no.
 
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