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    Senior Member Nonsensical's Avatar
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    What if a Js agenda is to create chaos and raise hell? And he succeeds. Just because he messed up the order of things doesn't make him anymore or less of a J, and certainly not a P.

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    I know. That's what I'm saying. They initiate things. P's react to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodgrief View Post
    I know. That's what I'm saying. They initiate things. P's react to them.
    Yeah right, as if we Ps can't take initiative. The main difference is methodical/planning versus chaotic/improvising.

    A J can seem chaotical, but he never(*) is.
    (*) I'm talking extremes here, of course. Which seem common in fiction.

    The typical J villain is the one who is helpless when something breaks down his meticulous plans, and who reacts to this by making his next plan even more detailed.

    I think J heroes are more common in those educational stories... and the Ps in the escape fantasy. But I'm certainly not advocating this as a rule, just as a observation. On the contrary... the heroine in my last fantasy novel was an ESTJ. (Next one is INTP with ENTP villain)
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    Interesting thread. I attempted to come up with a J hero, other than Superman, and I could only come up with Picard from Star Trek and maybe...Sanjuro from Yojimbo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamske View Post

    A J can seem chaotical, but he never(*) is.
    (*) I'm talking extremes here, of course. Which seem common in fiction.
    Super true!

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