[NT] Who make the best villains? INTJ or ENTP?

[Thalassa]

I think INTJs make better villains because they're naturally strategic and possess a level of emotional self-control that is both creepy and admirable. Also, dry wit always makes for a more lovable villain.

 

[Esoteric Wench]

and INTJs don't fuck with people's heads?

I beg to differ.

Well, they do, but with a purpose and in a convoluted manner. We do it on a strict shits-and-giggles basis.

A cogent rebuttal indeed.

 

[fduniho]

For an INTP villain, I would suggest Curt Connors, a.k.a. the Lizard. He's principally a scientist working on something that will benefit himself personally, but it goes horribly wrong.

 

[ZPowers]

For an INTP villain, I would suggest Curt Connors, a.k.a. the Lizard. He's principally a scientist working on something that will benefit himself personally, but it goes horribly wrong.

Problem: Curt Conners may be an INTP, but he and the Lizard are not the same, just like Dr. Jekyll may well be INTP, but Mr. Hyde is most assuredly not. Hence, it isn't the villain that's INTP. In the case of Dr. Jekyll especially, it's the protagonist.

I guess, from a utilitarian standpoint, where only outcome matters, Conners and Jekyll are evil. But from a Kantian(motivation/duty) or Aristotelian (character) standpoint, they're actually very good people who wanted to help the world.

 

[rav3n]

INTJs - New World Order

 

[freeeekyyy]

They're practically your staple villains, with a few ENTJ's and other types occasionally thrown into the pot. Probably, apart from their NT, because of the way they often rebel against society in a way that ENTJ's and INTP's don't. Anyway, which do you think is the best at being evil?

Some INTJ villains include:

Professor Moriarty
Hannibal Lecter
Light Yagami
Mr Glass
Darth Sidius (Maybe Vader also)
Lex Luthor
Voldemort

Some ENTP villains include

John Simms as The Master
Tho joker (Though I have heard a pretty convincing argument he was INTJ)
Count Olaf

Uh... hit a mental blank but there are quite a few more. Anyway, which type do you think are more effective and/or more entertaining as villains?

I'd like to see the argument about the joker being INTJ. Doesn't seem at all likely to me. He almost seems like a stereotype of ENTP.

I think INTJs make better serious villains and ENTPs make better comedic villains.

 

[Aleksei]

NTs as villains are so cliche, I want to know more about NFs as villains.

NF villains are either emo, deluded, or quick to anger and deliciously sadistic. Sometimes all of the above.

 

[Anamalech]

INFJ villains are the best.

 

[Mr. Sherlock Holmes]

Going back a few pages, while I agree the Joker is ENTP, are we saying it is impossible for an INTP to have a non-knowledge based motive? Why would the joker being sadistic and enjoying inflicting pain stop him from being INTP?

And Johnny the homocidal maniac is an INTP villain I think.

And I prefer INTJ villains, but ENTPs can be good too.

 

[Moiety]

Mastermind figure conveys too much reverence and respect. The Trickster is much more interesting and can even shoot himself in the foot as he goes along. We don't have to wait for the finale to see the Mastermind showing his weak defeated face....and the trickster is least likely to show it at all..



Okay, I'm just spewing bullshit ain't i?

 

[Beargryllz]

Lawful good villains are the best villains

 

[Mitzy]

id say intj's would make the better villains. they know what theyre doing.
entp's would just be chaotic troublemakers. they act on impulse.

 

[ZPowers]

Going back a few pages, while I agree the Joker is ENTP, are we saying it is impossible for an INTP to have a non-knowledge based motive? Why would the joker being sadistic and enjoying inflicting pain stop him from being INTP?

And Johnny the homocidal maniac is an INTP villain I think.

And I prefer INTJ villains, but ENTPs can be good too.

I don't know much about him and can't comment. I don't know if it is the only motive, but personal curiosity seems like the most probable motivation for an evil INTP to me.

Alternately, expression of some deeply held belief despite society generally condemning the practice could also be a motive, probably not quite as interested in converting other to their way of thinking as the ENTP baddie may be.

 

[10blackroses]

The INTJ villain has, to me, become stereotypical. On the other hand, I love ENTP villains - Jim Moriarty from Sherlock is my favourite villain ever because he does everything on a whim (I sometimes consider him an ENFP gone horribly, horribly wrong, though). The creative and unpredictable ENTP villain who will always pop up and do something weird and totally creepy when you least expect it is something I'll never tire of.

 

[The Great One]

They're practically your staple villains, with a few ENTJ's and other types occasionally thrown into the pot. Probably, apart from their NT, because of the way they often rebel against society in a way that ENTJ's and INTP's don't. Anyway, which do you think is the best at being evil?

Some INTJ villains include:

Professor Moriarty
Hannibal Lecter
Light Yagami
Mr Glass
Darth Sidius (Maybe Vader also)
Lex Luthor
Voldemort

Some ENTP villains include

John Simms as The Master
Tho joker (Though I have heard a pretty convincing argument he was INTJ)
Count Olaf

Uh... hit a mental blank but there are quite a few more. Anyway, which type do you think are more effective and/or more entertaining as villains?

ENTJ's are my favorite villains

 

[WALMART]

I will always love the ISTP-INTJ dynamic.

 

[Such Irony]

If an INTJ and ENTP fight each other, who wins?

 

[Coriolis]

The INTJ, of course. But the ENTP will think he won, and go around telling that to everyone.

 

[EJCC]

INTJ =

ENTP =

Which one is more fearsome?

The INTJ, of course. But the ENTP will think he won, and go around telling that to everyone.

Totally. Did you ever watch The Powerpuff Girls? Mojo Jojo was totally like that.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Hmmm... They're both good villains. Actually watching Palpatine scheme was one of the better parts of the prequel trilogy.

Who would I rather go up against? I suppose the Emperor. I might be able to guess what he's playing at, and do something he wouldn't expect. With the Joker, it doesn't matter what he expects, because Ne would come up with a response anyway. As much as I love Ne, the unpredictablity and difficulty of "systematizing" Ne run amok can be terrifying to a Ti dom.

So, ENTP's make better villains, because they are so inscrutable.

Come to think of it, does anyone know of an ENFP villains?