[MBTI General] The moment you realize there's no dialogue possible

[Night]

I don't value "value systems," because some cultures are objectively superior to other cultures. Inuit culture has yet to produce a Dante, a Galileo, a Michelangelo, or a Brunelleschi. And I'm just comparing them to a single European city.

I'm afraid I don't even know where to begin here.

First, how does one qualitatively measure "objective" value as it applies to superiority in cultural expression? Objective, presumably, refers to an independent metric of evaluation, wherein bias is shielded from unfairly influencing outcome.

To that end, it's probably unreasonable to marginalize (or uplift) cultural expression on the basis of popularity. Surely, one must realize that visibility is the first step to discovery and; ultimately, praise. One could produce brilliant, illuminating examples of transcendent self-expression, but if one is unable to find a marketable audience to display said expression, the global accessibility of his efforts are all but nullified. As such, efforts go undiscovered. Is that a remark on the eminence of his culture? Of course not. There's simply a clear cooperation between artist and market, should ultimate recognition and success ever be realized, that has nothing to do with the inherent inter-cultural superiority.

Not that such a metric doesn't necessarily exist (perhaps one based on subsequent inspiration/advancement exposed culture realizes as a result of the contributions of a few notable thinkers), it just defies contextual hemming in when you try to make a comparative contrast between cultures on the basis of "objective" evaluation markers.

 

[Little_Sticks]

The moment you realize there's no dialogue possible

You mean most of the time people realize a mind-melding dialogue is possible?

It seems like most of the time dialogue is about all the different minds fighting it out in an arena with their own knowledge and skill until only one is left standing. They use whatever means they have, and that is their true logic - for only one can be correct. Quite opposite from "let's put our minds together to reach a more psychologically round understanding, as opposed to one having to be right".

Ah, hell. How about an emoticon for the randomness fun.

 

[onemoretime]

"For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much - the wheel, New York, wars and so on - whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man - for precisely the same reasons."

Thread's over, you may now go back to your regularly scheduled fluff-fest/flamewar

 

[Little_Sticks]

^ lol. I like it.

 

[Laurie]

http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/1047510-post1.html

 

[disregard]

"For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much - the wheel, New York, wars and so on - whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man - for precisely the same reasons."

But that's brilliant!

 

[Quinlan]

You must admit the Inuit culture owned the Norse culture in Greenland.