[NT] NTPs and understanding things thru pictures

[Tallulah]

I like visualization, but while I'm awake there is a monologue running thru my head. Much like the news ticker at the bottom of the cable news channels.

This is me, too.

 

[BlueGray]

I like visualization, but while I'm awake there is a monologue running thru my head. Much like the news ticker at the bottom of the cable news channels.

The tickers fun and all but as I recently found the OFF button

 

[Oeufa]

The tickers fun and all but as I recently found the OFF button

Detailed directions to said button, please?

 

[tinkerbell]

I don't nessesarily think in pictures, i'm more tactile in memory, more feely...

In terms of explaing things I'm realitvely good at doing pictures... I can translate detailed pictures up to a higher level with less detail and more broad brushes.

Been looking at visual literacy a lot over the last year... its worth getting up on, because it improves you communications

 

[Two Point Two]

I think in pictures and words, but with a bias toward pictures.

For me, capitalism and socialism are kind of...buildings and people, semitransparently superimposed on a map that I'm viewing at different angles from a central point above it.

Why would you think this to be an NTP or specifically Ne thing?

I always thought all of the functions could operate visually/verbally, and that the tendency to think visually or verbally would be totally independent of type.

 

[redsox44344]

I can see things like this in either view. It really depends on what it is. I see the concepts in pictures, such as capitalism as a money sack in the hands of a rich man, and socialism as 3 equal sized money sacks being held by 3 normal looking people. However, the battle I see in pros and cons of both in terms of lists. Does that make sense?

 

[Katsuni]

I don't have any mental imagery of any kind, so I will have to say 'no'.

Closest I come is an inherant knowledge of how something 'is', its' dimensions, texture, material, composition, stuff like that I just know, like how big it should be roughly, in terms of size, though not in terms of measured criteria... so like I'd know it'd be say... waist high on me but not how large that is in feet/inches/meters.

So while I'll know how it'll look and how it SHOULD be, I won't really "see" it either. Means I know things when I see them and can describe things in very intricate detail, but have difficulties visualizing from memory.

That being said, complex abstract ideas, I think about... as... complex abstracts. I don't know how else to describe it other than a detailed listing of pros and cons, points and counterpoints, except it's not spoken, written or in any language, it's just 'known'.

All I can figure is my brain didn't quite finish developing correctly and still thinks of things in its' default mode before sight and language were introduced as methods to sort information in a less nonsensical manner. Very possibly related to my short memory span.

 

[Firehawk]

These are the first images that came to mind when thinking of your example (capitalism versus socialism). The images are not in contention until I look again at the word "versus".

Capitalism : A blacksmith bent over an anvil as sparks fly from his hammer, mind and body focused to the task - to shape his own fortune.

Socialism : A horizon cluttered with small identical homes. The inhabitants share a common goal; a contest to accomplish the least for the most reward.

Since my thoughts tend to primarily take the form of images and concepts it can be difficult to to converse with people about things of middling importance. Small talk is relatively easy - there are formulas and specific rules to follow. In-depth conversations about topics of interest to me require only modest effort if I have already begun to distill the images into words.
In most day to day conversations, I sense others becoming frustrated as I search for the correct words to express myself.
There is a sort of "soundtrack" of words floating there in my mind behind the images.
It can be a struggle to "just say what is on my mind". It is not that I lack facility with language, just that I am trying to convey the exact truth.
It's probably evident to anyone reading this that my conversational style is somewhat stiff and erratically paced. With practice, my speech patterns smooth out. If I spend extended periods of time alone or inside my own head, the formality is more pronounced.

 

[teslashock]

Right brained correlation, not NTP.

Do you think that Ne is a "right-brained" thing? I've actually not thought about the functions in terms of L v R brain. If Ne is a right-brained thing, then this thinking in pictures thing is probably more of a general NP thing than specifically NTP (and yeah, yeah, potentially tert/inf Ne-ers too...). And obviously I don't think only Ne-ers will think in pictures. It certainly has something to do with it though.

 

[Orangey]

I always say that my thinking is visual, but it's not visual in the sense of generating actual, concrete images to represent ideas. Usually the images are more abstract. Like, for capitalism and socialism, my mind immediately generates two boxes with the words "capitalism" and "socialism" in them. I call this more visual than verbal, though, because when it involves relationships between things, then the only way I can comprehend them is to "see" them in some sort of visual structure. Like a box connected to another box, and one box moves this way, the other moves that way.

 

[Tamske]

Not really imagery, but characters. I personify almost everything. I can depict them, but I also imagine little stories about them.

Eg.
Mr. Sine and Mrs. Cosine did a contest to determine who would appear in the Simpson formulas. The first round was about the sum of two sines. Mr. Sine is a calm, steady person. He knew there would be more rounds. He didn't go to deep, that's why there is a cosine too in the formula. But he still won the round, that's why he gets the plus sign:
sin(a)+sin(b) = sin((a+b)/2)cos((a-b)/2).
The second round was about the difference of two sines. Sine had a disadvantage because of the minus sign. Cosine won the round with a small difference.
sin(a)-sin(b) = sin((a-b)/2)cos((a+b)/2).
The third round was about the sum of two cosines. Cosine wanted to win this round so badly she really went to the limits of her power. She won with a big difference:
cos(a)+cos(b) = cos((a+b)/2)cos((a-b)/2)
Because Cosine had used everything she had in the third round, there was nothing left for the fourth. She only could make her presence felt with an overall minus sign.
cos(a)-cos(b) = -sin((a+b)/2)sin((a-b)/2).

 

[Oeufa]

Not really imagery, but characters. I personify almost everything. I can depict them, but I also imagine little stories about them.

Eg.
Mr. Sine and Mrs. Cosine did a contest to determine who would appear in the Simpson formulas. The first round was about the sum of two sines. Mr. Sine is a calm, steady person. He knew there would be more rounds. He didn't go to deep, that's why there is a cosine too in the formula. But he still won the round, that's why he gets the plus sign:
sin(a)+sin(b) = sin((a+b)/2)cos((a-b)/2).
The second round was about the difference of two sines. Sine had a disadvantage because of the minus sign. Cosine won the round with a small difference.
sin(a)-sin(b) = sin((a-b)/2)cos((a+b)/2).
The third round was about the sum of two cosines. Cosine wanted to win this round so badly she really went to the limits of her power. She won with a big difference:
cos(a)+cos(b) = cos((a+b)/2)cos((a-b)/2)
Because Cosine had used everything she had in the third round, there was nothing left for the fourth. She only could make her presence felt with an overall minus sign.
cos(a)-cos(b) = -sin((a+b)/2)sin((a-b)/2).

That's a very interesting way of remembering formulae! I love it

 

[proximo]

Imagine that concept A is a painting in a gallery. It's a very large painting, so I have to move bodily to look at different parts of it. I look at a few of its parts, until I think I can predict what will be in other parts. I move to another one to test my theory, and if it's right, I step back and start to see how it's all put together. Then I take a photo, and file it and keep it to refer back to; that photo stays in my head and gets cross-referenced with all the other photos already there, of other paintings.

If I'm asked about that painting later on, I simply pull out my photo, scan it and read off it as required. If it turns out that there are bits I missed, I can always go back to the gallery to look at the original again, and, with my camera adjusted to a higher resolution, I step further back to see if I can get the whole thing in the frame. From back here, I can't see all the details of the picture properly, but there's a high res photo of it in my head now, for all time, which I can zoom in on if needs be. The patterns I can see from afar will guide me in that zooming process.

In the future, if it turns out that I need to for some reason, I might make several more trips to the gallery with better and better cameras, and each time the detail and quality of the photo I'll recall will get better, and the more I'm made to recall it, the more of those details I'll be able to zip straight to with the zoom lens when necessary. For my first trip, I was just using my phone camera that's with me all the time, but because I want to reduce the chances of needing to come back again, even my phone camera is an 8mp one with quite a bit of manual tweakability.

So yes, concepts in my mind are stored and accessed very much like (or as) images. If I were to try to describe what they look like, the closest I could probably get would be like one of those pictures you get that are entirely made up of printed words, arranged into the shape of, for example, a horse, or just an abstract shape. I think in words, but in pictures of words. I see the printed word (in as many languages as I know it) as I say or think it, and mentally access every bigger picture in my mind that this word is a part of.

When I've talked about this with my kids (whom I homeschool) in the context of learning methods, my ENTP daughter (who has Asperger's) has related strongly to my method, whilst my ESFJ daughter has found it completely alien. My ENFJ sister believes it'd be completely impossible for her to learn or think like that, and says that bringing words into it makes everything instantly more confusing for her, which *I* find completely alien.

 

[fill]

Very much so, yes.

Actually,
thinking visually is only the first sort of thought that pops up. I tend to ask, "How else can that be used? In a song? A book?" I attempt to narrow down the ideal format in which to express myself.