[ENTP] Ask an ENTP!

[Antimony]

College degrees don't matter. Unless you want to be a doctor or scientist and need the degree to get into a grad program. Even then you can still major in anything you want as long as you do that pre-professional chain of classes. Or you can do a post-bac after the fact. What will be more important is your job history which will depend on also on your internships and overall classes and GPA.

Based on your entire long (and lovely) post, I really hope you are right, because that is kind of what I am aiming for. Although I am interested in a field in science.

Also with dance and music, honestly speaking this may be the one and only time in your life that you have this opportunity to study these subjects in depth, with academic rigor, in a relatively safe and stable environment.

That is true, and I didn't consider that. Although if I go to school around where the dance studio I love to go to is, I have a good shot at going to a good college/going to a good dance studio (I guess although a lot of dance instructors are good, these guys/girls are top notch).

By the way, what type are you?

And taking a lot of classes shouldn't be a problem for me- I have so many interests! Which I kind of feel is part of my problem.

I also like to study dance and music, but unless you are in a full time college there is no way to duplicate that 360 learning environment and rigor and accountability. I have taken music, dance, and language classes after undergrad but I sorely regret not taking more language classes. It is painful and expensive and often times kinda shoddy trying to learn these things outside that environment - unless you are really good at being self-taught. Again, that undergrad environment when you are a "traditional language age" is the best way to do it and build that foundation.

Soooo, yeah, just do it. You don't have to worry about what's practical and sacrifice your interests etc. just yet.

Well, as far as in school subjects go, I should look at science and language (definitely language, because I love it). I think for me with language, I have a relatively easy time learning it, but not drive really.

Maybe for now I should just try to balance school/dance/music. I think dance and music will be things I will always study on my own.

 

[Kasper]

Do you find it difficult to read people's intentions/moods/etc.?

Nope.

To elaborate...

I find that you guys tend to carry on talking despite others giving (what I think are) clear signs that signal that particular topic of conversation is over.

Why do you persist? Is it that you genuinely missing the signals and are then surprised when someone is irritated at you for talking too much? Or is it that you are vocalising a continuing train of thought and don't realise it? Or are you excited by the thought and therefore can't really help yourself?

[Disclaimer: Chances of someone being irritated at me for talking too much are slim to none, as I don't do it. It's generally easier to get me to stop talking then start.]

If I'm having a conversation (albeit one-way) with another person who is uninterested in me or the topic there are four outcomes:

If I care about the topic and discussing it with you specifically, I will
1. Be soooooo excited and surprised that you don't share that interest that I will be yammering on some until I notice the point of no-interest has passed for you, retreat and abruptly end the conversation as quickly and smoothly as I can and then feel slightly annoyed/awkward at not realising it wasn't your thing.

2. See you're not interested before I get into it, leave it go, but be hurt that you can't share my enthusiasm. You'll see me shut up and probably not talk again anytime soon about the topics I'm interested in. (This is probably the one and maybe only thing someone can do to hurt me without trying, I'm usually unflappable but dismissing my passion when I show it is kinda my Achilles heel).

If I don't care about the topic, or the above has happened and I still want to chat to you, I will
3. Shift the topic to something you are passionate about to try to get you engaged, this is where most of my conversations with other people start and stay so I'm comfortable here, or

If I don't care about you, I will
4. Find someone more fun, less buzz-killerish, to talk to.

Do you find Introverts a bit irritating? Are they frustratingly inscrutable to you?

Not at all.

 

[entropie]

Do you find it difficult to read people's intentions/moods/etc.? I find that you guys tend to carry on talking despite others giving (what I think are) clear signs that signal that particular topic of conversation is over.

Why do you persist? Is it that you genuinely missing the signals and are then surprised when someone is irritated at you for talking too much? Or is it that you are vocalising a continuing train of thought and don't realise it? Or are you excited by the thought and therefore can't really help yourself?

Also,

Do you find Introverts a bit irritating? Are they frustratingly inscrutable to you?

Introverts aint inscutable, with ongoing age you get to know them all and learn by experience.

What frustrates me is passive behaviour. When someone wants me to stop a thing, he has to tell me. "Please stop that" is really no hard thing to say. I am incapable to trust so heavily passive people, cause I always have the feeling they aint telling me something.

Passive people make me really angry, the most angry someone can make me. Thats why I looked for a very dominant girlfriend, otherwise she would have prolly made me so angry that I'd have killed myself by accident

 

[Jaq]

Hey any entps get that feeeling, you know That feeling. That feeling that i'm sure you guys know.

Oh well another question, any ENTPs seem bipolar sometimes? *E, i'm unsure if i'm ENTP, but At school, I tend to be funny(in a pure random way, not trying to be funny) , social and rather anti negative. Through class work first, funny after.

 

[onemoretime]

Do you find it difficult to read people's intentions/moods/etc.? I find that you guys tend to carry on talking despite others giving (what I think are) clear signs that signal that particular topic of conversation is over.

Yes and no. I read the signals, and have improved at holding back, but it can be disappointing to have to give up on a topic when you've just got to the good part. Sometimes, you just impulsively push past the boundaries of propriety (though this is very much a younger thing to do)

Why do you persist? Is it that you genuinely missing the signals and are then surprised when someone is irritated at you for talking too much? Or is it that you are vocalising a continuing train of thought and don't realise it? Or are you excited by the thought and therefore can't really help yourself?

Combo of the three. Also, there's a bit of hyperfocus going on there - breaking the concentration can be a bit unnerving.

Also,

Do you find Introverts a bit irritating? Are they frustratingly inscrutable to you?

Some, but it depends on the person, really.

 

[funkadelik]

Do you find it difficult to read people's intentions/moods/etc.? I find that you guys tend to carry on talking despite others giving (what I think are) clear signs that signal that particular topic of conversation is over.

Sometimes. I've gotten more socially adept with time, but sometimes I find I have to make a conscious effort to do things like look people in the eyes or stop a conversation when the other person clearly is done with it. But I feel like doing the latter is a rather minor social ettiquette infraction. Sometimes I'd rather risk it for the opportunity to explore an interesting subject or have some fun.

Why do you persist? Is it that you genuinely missing the signals and are then surprised when someone is irritated at you for talking too much? Or is it that you are vocalising a continuing train of thought and don't realise it? Or are you excited by the thought and therefore can't really help yourself?

It could be all of the above (or for the reason I mentioned before).

Do you find Introverts a bit irritating? Are they frustratingly inscrutable to you?

Not on the whole. Some are, but so are some extroverts (both irritating and inscrutable). I tend to like the quiet energy of introverts a lot. I think when it comes to being frustrated by people, I'm mainly thrown by those who don't offer a lot in the way of communication (not necessarily talking, just communication). But I'm willing to compromise on this if I care enough about the other person.

 

[Adasta]

What frustrates me is passive behaviour. When someone wants me to stop a thing, he has to tell me. "Please stop that" is really no hard thing to say. I am incapable to trust so heavily passive people, cause I always have the feeling they aint telling me something.

In fact, I find it very hard to stay "Please stop that." It's one of the hardest things to say to an ENTP, I think.

Sometimes I'm not sure if ENTPs notice, but people are really horrible to you sometimes. They mock you and sometimes I think they use you. As some people have said, it seems that at times this happens because ENTPs are unaware of the subtle signs of what's occuring. I also think it's because ENTPs like to trust others. When I see people take advantage of ENTPs, it breaks my heart a little. In that sense, I'm quite happy to listen to ENTPs thoughts and ideas because they're often interesting, but also because I think they deserve to have someone listen.

Therefore, it's hard to tell you stop doing things that might be annoying. I don't want to be cruel like everybody else.

If I care about the topic and discussing it with you specifically, I will
1. Be soooooo excited and surprised that you don't share that interest that I will be yammering on some until I notice the point of no-interest has passed for you, retreat and abruptly end the conversation as quickly and smoothly as I can and then feel slightly annoyed/awkward at not realising it wasn't your thing.

2. See you're not interested before I get into it, leave it go, but be hurt that you can't share my enthusiasm. You'll see me shut up and probably not talk again anytime soon about the topics I'm interested in. (This is probably the one and maybe only thing someone can do to hurt me without trying, I'm usually unflappable but dismissing my passion when I show it is kinda my Achilles heel).

See my above response! This is one of my greatest fears with ENTPs. I want to be the person that listens to their ideas, but I feel ENTPs ask too much of me! They want me to be as animated as they are but I just can't do it! I do enjoy listening though, as long as you aren't rambling! I would never stamp on someone's enthusiasm, though. I would never see any good in that.

 

[Antimony]

[MENTION=11466]Adasta[/MENTION]: I tend to see that in a lot of NTs. Although I've yet to see an ENTP made fun of. But I haven't seen too many of them in school.

Although I think that happened to me more in middle school. I couldn't say, I was way more aloof then than now.

 

[A window to the soul]

Oh well another question, any ENTPs seem bipolar sometimes?

That hasn’t occurred to me, no.

Do you find it difficult to read people's intentions/moods/etc.?

Not particularly.

I find that you guys tend to carry on talking despite others giving (what I think are) clear signs that signal that particular topic of conversation is over.

Respect the ENTP soapbox.

Why do you persist? Is it that you genuinely missing the signals and are then surprised when someone is irritated at you for talking too much? Or is it that you are vocalizing a continuing train of thought and don't realize it? Or are you excited by the thought and therefore can't really help yourself?

All of the above.

Do you find Introverts a bit irritating? Are they frustratingly inscrutable to you?

Some, I guess. I prefer a mutual give & take.

 

[entropie]

Hey any entps get that feeeling, you know That feeling. That feeling that i'm sure you guys know.

Oh well another question, any ENTPs seem bipolar sometimes? *E, i'm unsure if i'm ENTP, but At school, I tend to be funny(in a pure random way, not trying to be funny) , social and rather anti negative. Through class work first, funny after.

The feeling that you want to see if it turns blue some time, when you overuse it ? Nope never had that xD

 

[You]

Do people say you're hard to read?

 

[Dr Mobius]

Funny you should mention this. Without thinking, I insulted, mocked, derided, disarranged and generally made a huge nuisance of myself, and then realized after the fact that I had just sprayed gasoline on the fire. He came after me with his fingers snapping around his head, and I have no one to blame but myself. Oh the blame. The blame. *avaricious gleam*

So the full story comes out! The ENTP was acting in self defence against your vicious verbal barbs, you then turn up on a ENTP thread looking for advice on how to deal with him, your treachery knows no bounds!

Oh no, it was BOTH. HAHAHA! I should have known it would happen, but never expected it! <<<daft>>> The ballsy creep! lol And no I didn't mind.

So to again clarify you’re like that girl in the playground who decides the best way to get a boys attention is to verbally abuse him and is surprised when he pushes her into the pond?

If only I could do that! Curses! I would *love* to dude it up! haha! I can't change it though - I checked just to be sure because that sort of opportunity must not pass unchecked - and instead, I put my head together with my ENFP twin who has been enlisted into the scheming. She came up with some brilliant counter moves. Ne vs Ne, fighting fire with fire, because whenever *I* do something to him, it just makes him stronger/giddier/ballsier. *laughs*

At this point I think you can safely say it’s not what you do but who does it. My condolences to your sister I suspect that this happens quite often with you.

Ah, he refrains. *smiles* He's very self-contained in person. But this was the day-in, day-out with my ex. He'd find any excuse to grab me up or put his hands on me. We tussled a lot, verbally at first, then a lot verbally, then one day he broke the 4th wall of our comedy show and the next thing I know, we're wrestling around in the garage and I'm slapping his legs while he's holding me upside down. With one arm. *little tiger growling and grumbling* He had a lot of good-natured swagger, and anything I did to him as a well-placed counterstrike just seemed to turn him on. It was pretty hopeless. haha!

Ah so the only way to keep you quiet is to hold you by your toes? Noted
I asked because I was curious as to whether people would get any more physical with people they knew IRL or whether the same day to day inhibitions stayed in place.

 

[entropie]

Do people say you're hard to read?

yupp 24/7

 

[Antimony]

How do you weigh the importance of a relationship?

 

[entropie]

Relationships operate in boolean logic. Either I invest 100 % in it or they can go eff a llama

 

[Antimony]

Relationships operate in boolean logic. Either I invest 100 % in it or they can go eff a llama

No shades of gray?

 

[entropie]

what for, either I have a friend or not. Sure some friendships need to develop first and there are superficial relationships you have at work; but besides that, I dunno

 

[A window to the soul]

Do people say you're hard to read?

Yes.

Relationships operate in boolean logic. Either I invest 100 % in it or they can go eff a llama

And we fell off the llama.

 

[Kasper]

Do people say you're hard to read?

Don't fully understand why, but yes.

How do you weigh the importance of a relationship?

I use them weird "feelery" things with that, if I care it's important, the more I care the more important.

If I don't innately know how that stacks up I can measure my reactions to their negativity; if I hardly register it then I do not care, if it cuts then it's a sign that I care a lot, and to my wanting to "impress" or have their attention, if I get a tad sulky when failing at that then I care.

 

[entropie]

i am too depressed today to answer any entp questions, but then i saw there werent any new entp questions, what made me even more depressed and motivated me to turn that negative feeling into a manifested psychlogical illness which forces me to write long neverending sentences without interpunctuation.

ill take my pillow no and lay down in the bathroom sulking letting the water pour down on my forehead manifestating the most epic drama lama that epically ever existed