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[ENTJ] My Parents Say I Was ENTJ

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Okay, so I've recently been making my (terribly uninterested) ISTJ mother look at all this MBTI stuff, and some interesting things came up during our conversations. I asked her to describe how I was when I was a kid, and then had her compare her description to these "child types" descriptions. After all, our personalities are supposedly more "pure" when we were children, right?

Anyway, she compared her description to the different descriptions on the site, and it was amazing (and a little confounding) how well my behavior as a child matched up to the description of ETJ kids. I was like, WTF? :shock: I mean, I do remember being fairly fearless and gregarious when I was little, but I attributed it (or perhaps rationalized it) as being the result of having "T" style confidence. I then told her that I self-type as INTP (sometimes INTJ or INFP) and had her look at those again to see how well they lined up. She denied my being that much like the ITP kids at all, and said that those descriptions were closer to how my brother (who I'd already typed as INTP) behaved when he was young.

As you can imagine, it was something of a mind**** to realize that either (1) personality types really DO change drastically with age and experience, (2) I have been deceiving myself this whole time and am painfully less self-aware than I thought, and/or (3) I am a really screwed up extravert who has serious enough social anxiety issues to seem very much like an introvert.

So what do you guys think? Is it possible to be a "true" extravert whose social anxiety is severe enough that he/she seems totally introverted? I consistently score something like 95-100% on the introversion scales. It just seems really unlikely that I am this dormant ENTJ underneath an introverted mask. And if I am, then I need some serious therapy to get over the kind of "introversion" I'm used to identifying with. Thoughts?

P.S.- I feel sort of self-absorbed and attention seeking just making this thread, but it's been bothering me for the last few days and no one ever feels like talking about it with me, so I'm going to vent here. Might as well, anyway, since I've spilled more about myself here than to my friends IRL. So thanks in advance if you've taken the time to read this. Extra thanks if you respond :D.
 

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Okay, I just took these tests as well. Thought they might be relevant. I always thought this sort of thing just meant that one was an especially shy introvert, not a potential extravert who was just really afraid of social situations.

Extroversion Test
Score: 28 out of 100
According to your results you appear to be the type of person who doesn’t socialize often. You likely have a limited social network, and possibly aren’t really interested in extending it beyond a few close and intimate friendships. Having an active social life apparently isn’t the most important thing to you. Chances are that when the opportunity arises to socialize among a large group of people, you’ll likely turn it down if possible. This doesn’t necessarily mean you don’t enjoy socializing or being around people. Rather, you generally prefer spending time with smaller groups of friends. Individuals who score similarly to you typically aren’t conversation-starters, especially with people they aren’t familiar with. In addition, they aren’t known to be exceptionally outgoing, unless among close friends.

Social Anxiety Disorder Self Test

Score: 51 out of 68

Your score suggests that you may be experiencing the symptoms of social anxiety disorder. Although the SPIN Self Test screens for the symptoms of social anxiety disorder, only a doctor can make a diagnosis for this disorder.
 

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Okay, so I've recently been making my (terribly uninterested) ISTJ mother look at all this MBTI stuff, and some interesting things came up during our conversations. I asked her to describe how I was when I was a kid, and then had her compare her description to these "child types" descriptions. After all, our personalities are supposedly more "pure" when we were children, right?

Anyway, she compared her description to the different descriptions on the site, and it was amazing (and a little confounding) how well my behavior as a child matched up to the description of ETJ kids. I was like, WTF? :shock: I mean, I do remember being fairly fearless and gregarious when I was little, but I attributed it (or perhaps rationalized it) as being the result of having "T" style confidence. I then told her that I self-type as INTP (sometimes INTJ or INFP) and had her look at those again to see how well they lined up. She denied my being that much like the ITP kids at all, and said that those descriptions were closer to how my brother (who I'd already typed as INTP) behaved when he was young.

As you can imagine, it was something of a mind**** to realize that either (1) personality types really DO change drastically with age and experience, (2) I have been deceiving myself this whole time and am painfully less self-aware than I thought, and/or (3) I am a really screwed up extravert who has serious enough social anxiety issues to seem very much like an introvert.

So what do you guys think? Is it possible to be a "true" extravert whose social anxiety is severe enough that he/she seems totally introverted? I consistently score something like 95-100% on the introversion scales. It just seems really unlikely that I am this dormant ENTJ underneath an introverted mask. And if I am, then I need some serious therapy to get over the kind of "introversion" I'm used to identifying with. Thoughts?

P.S.- I feel sort of self-absorbed and attention seeking just making this thread, but it's been bothering me for the last few days and no one ever feels like talking about it with me, so I'm going to vent here. Might as well, anyway, since I've spilled more about myself here than to my friends IRL. So thanks in advance if you've taken the time to read this. Extra thanks if you respond :D.


My first thought was that perhaps this was a less accurate test. Or perhaps it was just our mother perception of you.

Strongly opinionated and self-confident, they think that they're always right
Strong-willed and independent
Intelligent and capable
They're curious about everything, and are always asking "Why?"

these overlap with

Logical and objective
Tend to be adventurous, and enjoy taking physical risks
They're original and value their uniqueness
They're highly independent, and don't like being told what to do
They're very observant
Curious and interested in learning new things
Quick to learn new things

I think your mother may of just not noticed your introversion or since she is(supposedly) and intovert herself she didnt give much touhgt into your introversion. Or perhaps you picked up introversion slowly along the way. Peoples personalitys are constantly shifting during their childhood and early adolescence. Perhaps at one time those things apllied to you but whats important is what you are today. Its commonly accept that by age 16 most if not all of your personality traits are pretty well cemented. Another explaination is that perhaps you contain traits from both ends of the spectrum and that personality typing is hardly a science, much less an exact one. I was pretty suspicous of the whole Idea of typing children, it seems kinda flawed to me.
 

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So what do you guys think? Is it possible to be a "true" extravert whose social anxiety is severe enough that he/she seems totally introverted? I consistently score something like 95-100% on the introversion scales. It just seems really unlikely that I am this dormant ENTJ underneath an introverted mask. And if I am, then I need some serious therapy to get over the kind of "introversion" I'm used to identifying with. Thoughts?

I had my mum give her impression of me as a little tacker when I was trying to work out my type without much luck as well, word is as a child I was somewhat extroverted in other people's view of me although I'm not now. One of the biggest problems that I see with MBTI is that it's really easy to mistype yourself because of life experiences and then try to fit the mould of the type you identify with.

Maybe you are mistyped, maybe your mothers impression is inaccurate, either way what helped me was really paying attention to how I reacted to social interaction, I get bored with and feel out of place in many social environments but I don't feel the same way as introverts. After talking about the differences between I and E elsewhere this is what I've come up as the points that stood out to me as exclusively introversion and the opposite of what an extrovert would experience;
  • The idea that you will eventually feel tired and drained even when talking to people whose company you enjoy, the conversation can be enthralling but if it goes on long enough at some point you will retreat into your head and get quiet, or if you can, leave and find your own space to recharge. At the end of socialisation you are less energised then when you started.

  • One of the reasons these conversations are draining is because your preference is to think about what is being said before responding thus you are in a way exerting more internal energy than the average extrovert.

  • In line with thinking before speaking, you do not need to verbalise thoughts in order to fully understand them.

  • You have narrower but deeper interests.

  • Exerting your energy outwardly through social interaction is your kryptonite. Your focus is on conserving energy.

Other things about disliking small talk, having a rich inner world and needing space etc are things that are not unique to introverts imo as an extrovert who feels the same way.

My stance is severe social anxiety and extroversion can co-exist, any number of environmental reasons may be the cause of the anxiety but the introversion/extroversion is consistent and about where you direct your energy.
 
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So what do you guys think? Is it possible to be a "true" extravert whose social anxiety is severe enough that he/she seems totally introverted?

Welp, it happened to me. I outright hated people when I was younger; I strayed away from them and that I fit the classical definition of introversion. IxtJ would've fit me better then.

My extroverted self didn't really appear until after college. And I've since grown to care very deeply about most people.

It's been quite a transition.
 

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Maybe your mother is comparing your orientation to herself and your brother and you are more extroverted than them. That's one of the problems when trying to decide someone else's type, it's natural to compare them to yourself and that perspective adds bias.
 
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My first thought was that perhaps this was a less accurate test. Or perhaps it was just our mother perception of you.

Yes, I considered these things. I'm never one to take a test or description at face value, nor do I generally trust testimony (especially from close family members, since many can be prone to embellishing your past.) I didn't want to waste space in the original post describing these details, since it was mainly my goal to hear from others whether they though it was possible to be a socially anxious extravert, but I also had her read descriptions on other sites (such as this one), and I asked other, more distant family and friends about what I was like as a kid. Their descriptions are 100% ENTJ. I've never had such description accuracy with my current self-understanding, or with anyone's current perceptions of me. This is why I haven't dismissed my mother's descriptions of me out of hand.

Strongly opinionated and self-confident, they think that they're always right
Strong-willed and independent
Intelligent and capable
They're curious about everything, and are always asking "Why?"

these overlap with

Logical and objective
Tend to be adventurous, and enjoy taking physical risks
They're original and value their uniqueness
They're highly independent, and don't like being told what to do
They're very observant
Curious and interested in learning new things
Quick to learn new things

I considered this as well. It's why I said that I always took her anecdotes of me being "argumentative" and "boisterous" as being a sign of "T" style confidence. It was other parts that she said were definitive of my childhood personality that made me wonder, such as "energetic and enthusiastic," or "active and interested in physical sport," or "competitive," or "they're friendly and enjoy people." I was apparently very forward, and frequently liked to go and talk up strangers and other random adults. I apparently once told a random pregnant woman that she was going to need a C-Section (I was 5), just because I felt like saying something to someone.

I think your mother may of just not noticed your introversion or since she is(supposedly) and intovert herself she didnt give much touhgt into your introversion. Or perhaps you picked up introversion slowly along the way. Peoples personalitys are constantly shifting during their childhood and early adolescence. Perhaps at one time those things apllied to you but whats important is what you are today. Its commonly accept that by age 16 most if not all of your personality traits are pretty well cemented. Another explaination is that perhaps you contain traits from both ends of the spectrum and that personality typing is hardly a science, much less an exact one. I was pretty suspicous of the whole Idea of typing children, it seems kinda flawed to me.

So you think that people change types? You don't think that children are biologically predisposed to have a particular personality?

[I have something pressing right now, but will get to the other responses later.]
 

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I had my mum give her impression of me as a little tacker when I was trying to work out my type without much luck as well, word is as a child I was somewhat extroverted in other people's view of me although I'm not now. One of the biggest problems that I see with MBTI is that it's really easy to mistype yourself because of life experiences and then try to fit the mould of the type you identify with.

That's interesting to hear (and thanks for the feedback :)). You identify as ENTP now, right (and, if I recall, INTJ before)? I certainly agree that it's easy to try and shape your self-perception to fit a certain type. That's why I've been in search of more objective data, like accumulated family testimony, to try and see what I'm really like. Do you (or did you) have the sensation that your self-awareness was not very acute as a child? I don't remember thinking about myself very much before the age of 11 or 12, when I became self-conscious. It was like I always had something else better to do than to examine myself. This is, I think, part of why I can't seem to really find a type that is satisfyingly accurate enough for closure.

Maybe you are mistyped, maybe your mothers impression is inaccurate, either way what helped me was really paying attention to how I reacted to social interaction, I get bored with and feel out of place in many social environments but I don't feel the same way as introverts.

I don't really doubt the accuracy of my mother's impressions, mainly because (1) they match up with other's independent recollections of me as a kid, (2) she has a pretty good memory, and (3) I remember being outgoing, though I didn't care enough about my own state to actually consciously label myself as "outgoing" when I was. Your advice to pay attention to my reactions in social situations sounds good, so I think that's what I'll work on.

After talking about the differences between I and E elsewhere this is what I've come up as the points that stood out to me as exclusively introversion and the opposite of what an extrovert would experience;
  • The idea that you will eventually feel tired and drained even when talking to people whose company you enjoy, the conversation can be enthralling but if it goes on long enough at some point you will retreat into your head and get quiet, or if you can, leave and find your own space to recharge. At the end of socialisation you are less energised then when you started.

  • One of the reasons these conversations are draining is because your preference is to think about what is being said before responding thus you are in a way exerting more internal energy than the average extrovert.

  • In line with thinking before speaking, you do not need to verbalise thoughts in order to fully understand them.

  • You have narrower but deeper interests.

  • Exerting your energy outwardly through social interaction is your kryptonite. Your focus is on conserving energy.

So I guess the question is, under ideal conversational circumstances (i.e., interesting and inexhaustible topic of mutual interest, good interlocutors/someone you like, stable environmental conditions), would you feel the need, without external prompting, to have some space and recharge? Not in general, but strictly as a result of the energy being used in the interaction?

TBH I don't know if I can answer that very directly. Socializing with those I don't know is always draining, from moment one. This is because I am not comfortable acting like myself, so I act like something/someone else, and this is draining from the get-go. Socializing with those I know well is usually very stimulating, and I often find that it's the other person who initiates separation in these instances (especially my severely introverted friends, who leave only after one or two hours. I've learned not to take this the wrong way, though I almost did the first few times it happened). There are times, though, that I've not wanted to be around even my family or close friends because I wanted to do something on my own. As you say, though, that's not unusual for extraverts (my ENTP brother often ignores his friends when he's busy with something).

Other things about disliking small talk, having a rich inner world and needing space etc are things that are not unique to introverts imo as an extrovert who feels the same way.

So an extravert doesn't need space to recharge their energy? What do they need it for, if they get energy from social interaction?

My stance is severe social anxiety and extroversion can co-exist, any number of environmental reasons may be the cause of the anxiety but the introversion/extroversion is consistent and about where you direct your energy.

So one's behavior as a young child should be a more pure indication of their personality, since fewer environmental factors have had the chance to act upon them.
 

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Welp, it happened to me. I outright hated people when I was younger; I strayed away from them and that I fit the classical definition of introversion. IxtJ would've fit me better then.

My extroverted self didn't really appear until after college. And I've since grown to care very deeply about most people.

It's been quite a transition.

Thanks for the response. What caused you to change, and what were your motivations for behaving "introverted" before? Were you extraverted as a child?

Maybe your mother is comparing your orientation to herself and your brother and you are more extroverted than them. That's one of the problems when trying to decide someone else's type, it's natural to compare them to yourself and that perspective skews adds bias.

Thanks for the input, pippi. I think I'd be more apt to think this was the case if my entire family consisted of introverts. As it is, I have two extraverted siblings and a number of extraverted distant family member/friends. My mother says I was as (or more) outgoing than my clearly ESFP sister and ENTP brother when we were younger. So it seems like she has a range of introverts and extraverts with which to compare my behavior, which might balance out any natural biases she may have as an introvert who only experiences what it's like to be an introvert. Besides, I am not relying on the testimony of my mother alone (I'd be a fool).
 

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That's interesting to hear (and thanks for the feedback :)). You identify as ENTP now, right (and, if I recall, INTJ before)? I certainly agree that it's easy to try and shape your self-perception to fit a certain type. That's why I've been in search of more objective data, like accumulated family testimony, to try and see what I'm really like. Do you (or did you) have the sensation that your self-awareness was not very acute as a child? I don't remember thinking about myself very much before the age of 11 or 12, when I became self-conscious. It was like I always had something else better to do than to examine myself. This is, I think, part of why I can't seem to really find a type that is satisfyingly accurate enough for closure.

Went through INTJ and INTP to get there but yup, I'm comfortable with ENTP now. Mostly what I remember as a kid was that I tended to take charge and was happy taking to anyone, I wasn't very shy. For me at around 12-13 that changed. I didn't really examine myself before then, at least not as far as I remember.


So I guess the question is, under ideal conversational circumstances (i.e., interesting and inexhaustible topic of mutual interest, good interlocutors/someone you like, stable environmental conditions), would you feel the need, without external prompting, to have some space and recharge? Not in general, but strictly as a result of the energy being used in the interaction?

If I'm enjoying the interaction I'll tend to get more and more energised the longer I'm there, I may be tired at the end of the evening but I don't feel zapped of my energy. If I'm really enjoying myself I won't want things to end and am often the last one to leave anywhere I go that's fun.


So an extravert doesn't need space to recharge their energy? What do they need it for, if they get energy from social interaction?

My own company is more interesting to me than people I find boring :D Wrote this on another forum;

To explain my extroversion this is what I find happens;

When in isolation: I enjoy my own company, it’s comfortable and I can concentrate on what I want to do and get lost in my head, however, I know that I can withdraw into myself more than is healthy for me if I do this for too long, too much time on my own leads me to feeling slightly depressive and like I'm swimming underwater.

The healthiest and most productive state for me is when I get out and socialise, even for just a few hours 3-4 times a week, it doesn’t have to be substantial and activities can be more effective than being with and talking to people. Problem is I like feeling comfortable so I don’t always do this which leads to me feeling down and not wanting to go out which leads me to feeling worse and so on, once I am out and socialising I feel great and want to get out and socialise more often but making myself do this in the first place is the hard part.

What extroversion means to me as an ENTP is that I feel alive when I'm constantly moving from one interesting thing to another. Doing the same thing over and over again bores me, talking to people who aren't interesting to me bores me, shallow/passionless chit-chat bores me, social tradition bores me, seeing things through to completion bores me.

I want to explore and discover and follow random tangents as they come up, spontaneity and movement without over planning totally excites me. I need newness and/or adventure to grab my interest and give me new energy. This however is largely unseen.



So one's behavior as a young child should be a more pure indication of their personality, since fewer environmental factors have had the chance to act upon them.

Anything could happen in childhood to effect how a child acts however as less functions have developed it is more likely to be a more pure indication as you suggest, imo.
 

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Have you considered your childhood goals?

Maybe you were so knowledge-hungry that interacting and dominating were two prime ways to satiate your knowledge hunger?

(A bit of a stretch, but who knows.)
 

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Too much to read, but I got the jist of it. I just want to ask where you got that info on our personality being "pure" when we are young. I think there are different ideas on how and when we develop, but I do remember reading something that says we experiement with our functions in our youth.
 

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if you want to be an entj, do it ! You just got to start to think on your own !
 

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My mother always claimed I was outgoing until I turned two and then became withdrawn and shy. Who knows? I knew when to believe her on something and when to disregard it.
 

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Went through INTJ and INTP to get there but yup, I'm comfortable with ENTP now. Mostly what I remember as a kid was that I tended to take charge and was happy taking to anyone, I wasn't very shy. For me at around 12-13 that changed. I didn't really examine myself before then, at least not as far as I remember.

Huh, that's pretty much the same for me.

If I'm enjoying the interaction I'll tend to get more and more energised the longer I'm there, I may be tired at the end of the evening but I don't feel zapped of my energy. If I'm really enjoying myself I won't want things to end and am often the last one to leave anywhere I go that's fun.

Well, there were a few occasions when I was tired after school or work (to the point that I contemplated not going out because of it), but decided to go out anyway and randomly became not tired or exhausted at all. Like this year on my birthday I went out to a club with some friends after some initial hesitation because I had a headache and sort of felt like being alone, but then ended up being slightly disappointed when my introverted friend grew weary of it and wanted to call it a night. It's just that social situations that I don't want to be a part of (most of them) are smothering to me.

My own company is more interesting to me than people I find boring :D Wrote this on another forum;

To explain my extroversion this is what I find happens;

When in isolation: I enjoy my own company, it’s comfortable and I can concentrate on what I want to do and get lost in my head, however, I know that I can withdraw into myself more than is healthy for me if I do this for too long, too much time on my own leads me to feeling slightly depressive and like I'm swimming underwater.

The healthiest and most productive state for me is when I get out and socialise, even for just a few hours 3-4 times a week, it doesn’t have to be substantial and activities can be more effective than being with and talking to people. Problem is I like feeling comfortable so I don’t always do this which leads to me feeling down and not wanting to go out which leads me to feeling worse and so on, once I am out and socialising I feel great and want to get out and socialise more often but making myself do this in the first place is the hard part.

What extroversion means to me as an ENTP is that I feel alive when I'm constantly moving from one interesting thing to another. Doing the same thing over and over again bores me, talking to people who aren't interesting to me bores me, shallow/passionless chit-chat bores me, social tradition bores me, seeing things through to completion bores me.

I want to explore and discover and follow random tangents as they come up, spontaneity and movement without over planning totally excites me. I need newness and/or adventure to grab my interest and give me new energy. This however is largely unseen.

Thanks for this, it was quite illuminating. I definitely relate to the depressive feeling when being alone too long, and the cycle of inertia this creates. I sort of commented on this in the INTP wimmin group discussion a while back.

I guess I need to look into it more because, in the case that I actually am an extravert (not that I think this is the case just yet), I think I am in line for some CBT to get rid of social anxiety. Not that I wouldn't be as an introvert, but it's a possibility that I was using a mistaken definition of introversion to rationalize some pretty unhealthy behavior.
 

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Have you considered your childhood goals?

Maybe you were so knowledge-hungry that interacting and dominating were two prime ways to satiate your knowledge hunger?

(A bit of a stretch, but who knows.)

I don't really remember my childhood goals. Like I was saying in response to Trinity, I wasn't very self-aware or introspective/inwardly reflective as a younger kid.

Anything could happen in childhood to effect how a child acts however as less functions have developed it is more likely to be a more pure indication as you suggest, imo.

So basically, you think that personality types are an indication of a certain cognitive pattern that doesn't change, even though behaviors may change?

Too much to read, but I got the jist of it. I just want to ask where you got that info on our personality being "pure" when we are young. I think there are different ideas on how and when we develop, but I do remember reading something that says we experiement with our functions in our youth.

I'd be interested to read whatever it was that gave you that information. It was always my understanding that one was born with a certain fundamental way of perceiving and processing things, and that this was the personality type, as opposed the personality type being based on behavior at any given point in time. But IDK, I could be wrong. I don't think there's much evidence for either perspective. I guess I just don't see the use of having all this personality information that gives specific advice based on the assumption that a person thinks a specific way, when the personality is not stable in the first place.

if you want to be an entj, do it ! You just got to start to think on your own !

I think on my own just fine, thanks :).

My mother always claimed I was outgoing until I turned two and then became withdrawn and shy. Who knows? I knew when to believe her on something and when to disregard it.

Did you ever have anyone else back this up? I have asked several family members (those I haven't spoken with in a while as well) and they all paint a similar picture of me. At any rate, I'm pretty sure my "inward turn," which happened whether I was truly an extravert or just a confident introvert, happened as a result of social forces during adolescence (I was teased pretty badly at one point, had a lot of my friends turn on me, had some gender issues, and was regularly made to feel shameful by my neurotic parents. All seems little and stupid now, but was a big deal in my small 12 year-old world.)
 

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So you think that people change types? You don't think that children are biologically predisposed to have a particular personality?

[I have something pressing right now, but will get to the other responses later.]

Thats irrelevent to the situation, lets assume the answer is no, then my theory is atleast partialy correct and your personality is the result of your childhood and becomes cemented in mid-adolescences/early adult-hood.(technicaly this still leaves room for predisposition of genes)

Lets assume that my theory is incorrect, then children are at a disposition to certain personality types(but the disposition is much greater than the potential one in my theory). Even if we take this as a fact you can assume taht atleast a few traits are picked up. With this in mind it is safe to assume that you were predispositioned to NT, and that as a child you were ENTJ but experiences in your life made you into a INTP.

Tell me what age was your mother thinking of when she typed you as an ENTJ?
 

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Well I am not the one here listening to what his parents tell him he is supposed to be

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Thats irrelevent to the situation, lets assume the answer is no, then my theory is atleast partialy correct and your personality is the result of your childhood and becomes cemented in mid-adolescences/early adult-hood.(technicaly this still leaves room for predisposition of genes)

Lets assume that my theory is incorrect, then children are at a disposition to certain personality types(but the disposition is much greater than the potential one in my theory). Even if we take this as a fact you can assume taht atleast a few traits are picked up. With this in mind it is safe to assume that you were predispositioned to NT, and that as a child you were ENTJ but experiences in your life made you into a INTP.

Okay, I get that your point is that personalities become "cemented" during adolescence regardless of whether we believe them to be permanently programmed in our brains from birth or strictly the result of the environment during childhood. So for my purposes, since I claim to have changed during adolescence, it doesn't matter because (according to you) the personality past that point will have been the permanent one in either case.

It's just that I've really never heard that before, about personalities "cementing" in adolescence. Do you have a reference? For all I know, you could be making that up off of the top of your head.

Tell me what age was your mother thinking of when she typed you as an ENTJ?

Like I've mentioned several times before, the claim from both my mother and several other family members/friends is that I exhibited consistently ENTJ-like behavior until around age 11-12.
 
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If you makes you feel better, my mother once tried classifying me as SP.
 
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